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 Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:29 pm
Someoneiknow I'm also curious if us, as a nation, trying to blame anything else but Hasan is just us trying to sound like we aren't racist. I'm sorry, but Hasan did this act, and he should face the consequences of his act. If it was a white guy, or a black guy, from the US, we would be saying "put the guy to death". But since it's a guy of a different nationality, we are freaking out and trying to blame everybody else but him. That.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:32 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. You're saying that all of the horror stories you heard about soldiers who have seen action would cause you to go shoot other soldiers?
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:54 pm
Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. You're saying that all of the horror stories you heard about soldiers who have seen action would cause you to go shoot other soldiers? Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.)
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:10 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. You're saying that all of the horror stories you heard about soldiers who have seen action would cause you to go shoot other soldiers? Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying?
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:43 pm
Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. You're saying that all of the horror stories you heard about soldiers who have seen action would cause you to go shoot other soldiers? Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:52 pm
Someoneiknow I'm also curious if us, as a nation, trying to blame anything else but Hasan is just us trying to sound like we aren't racist. I'm sorry, but Hasan did this act, and he should face the consequences of his act. If it was a white guy, or a black guy, from the US, we would be saying "put the guy to death". But since it's a guy of a different nationality, we are freaking out and trying to blame everybody else but him.
Because if it is, it solidifies people's ideas that Islam is evil and that all Muslims want to kill us all.
I don't think anybody here thinks like that, but a lot of people actually think that way.
And I think that's the reason America seems so hopeful that this had nothing to do with his religion.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:55 pm
brainnsoup Someoneiknow I'm also curious if us, as a nation, trying to blame anything else but Hasan is just us trying to sound like we aren't racist. I'm sorry, but Hasan did this act, and he should face the consequences of his act. If it was a white guy, or a black guy, from the US, we would be saying "put the guy to death". But since it's a guy of a different nationality, we are freaking out and trying to blame everybody else but him.
Because if it is, it solidifies people's ideas that Islam is evil and that all Muslims want to kill us all.
I don't think anybody here thinks like that, but a lot of people actually think that way.
And I think that's the reason America seems so hopeful that this had nothing to do with his religion.People who are racist and mean will still call people from the middle east sand niggers. You ain't going to change their mind by sugar coating such a horrible act of murder.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:57 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. You're saying that all of the horror stories you heard about soldiers who have seen action would cause you to go shoot other soldiers? Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. So then by your reckoning, Columbine was just a couple of misunderstood children that just needed some good counseling with a shrink after their acts and everything would have been hunky dorey and they need not have gone to prison if they had not shot themselves?
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:14 pm
Someoneiknow brainnsoup Someoneiknow I'm also curious if us, as a nation, trying to blame anything else but Hasan is just us trying to sound like we aren't racist. I'm sorry, but Hasan did this act, and he should face the consequences of his act. If it was a white guy, or a black guy, from the US, we would be saying "put the guy to death". But since it's a guy of a different nationality, we are freaking out and trying to blame everybody else but him.
Because if it is, it solidifies people's ideas that Islam is evil and that all Muslims want to kill us all.
I don't think anybody here thinks like that, but a lot of people actually think that way.
And I think that's the reason America seems so hopeful that this had nothing to do with his religion.People who are racist and mean will still call people from the middle east sand niggers. You ain't going to change their mind by sugar coating such a horrible act of murder.
Not even just in the minds of racist, hateful people.
A lot of people are just misinformed.
And hoping that it isn't a religious matter isn't sugar-coating it.
No one denies that what he did was horrible.
It just goes without saying.
No matter what the cause, it's horrible.
And of course, I can only speak for myself.
If it does turn out to be a purely religious act, then I won't try to deny that.
My logic isn't a desperate attempt at rationalizing his actions.
But I won't assume anything either.
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:52 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. You're saying that all of the horror stories you heard about soldiers who have seen action would cause you to go shoot other soldiers? Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:18 am
Semiremis Chieftain Twilight and once again i remind you that what i am saying comes from the translations of the wife of one of the soldiers in that base. xp yes, it was PTSD, yes, it did lead to a complete psychosis, and yes, there was something else to it. that something else was the severe abuse and torment given to everyone there, some more than others, by the highest ranking officer of that squad. his name escapes me at the moment, but i'll remember it at some point... i am sure he can be looked up, but i can't garuntee that all the worst will be on his file.... he gets away with alot of s**t because of how specialized his job is.... So then the PTSD was a result of the treatment by that one cruel officer? If that was the case then why would his psychosis take on the form that it did? It doesn't make sense. no. Hasan had PTSD. and it was agitated by the abuse.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:23 am
Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. and again, it isn't Post-War-Experience-Stress-Disorder, it's Post-Traumatic-Stress-Disorder! ANY TRAUMA! and guess what is traumatic? SEEING FIRSTHAND THE UNTREATED WOUNDS AND THE DISTURBED MINDS OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE FRONT LINES!! look at me, i havn't been in war. but i HAVE seen alot of s**t. i've been in alot of s**t. i've been on both giving and recieving ends of what most people consider unforgivable behavior or actions. everything from gang-violence, to domestic abuse, to rape, to murder! you know what that's done to me!? hell, i have ripped my friend's pet bunnie rabbits to pieces with my bare hands and teeth! just to feel the rush! that's a ******** PTSD psychosis! i have tried to kill my own friends, and they can testify that that is true! damnit, i ran screaming at a ******** tree! >.< to this day i am haunted by severe schitzophrenia, phobias, night terrors, and hysteric outbursts of uncontrolable rage to the point i feel posessed! i didn't have to be caught in cross fire for that to happen, and neither did Hasan!
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:25 am
Broken_Penguin_Man Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. thank you dude, understanding at last! >.<
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:31 am
Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man I can tell you one thing. If I went into the military, I would do pretty much the same thing that Hasan did eventually. I'm already screwed up emotionally. He listened to other peoples stories, and the effects that they had. They scared him $#!tL#$$. He may have already had severe emotional and self-esteem problems before he got into the military. You know those kids that go and shoot people at their school because of things? Hasan probably had pretty much the same reasons. You're saying that all of the horror stories you heard about soldiers who have seen action would cause you to go shoot other soldiers? Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from, i can deduce that you have never witness nor experienced any of the kinds of horrors you just mentioned in your life firsthand. you think he doesn't knowall this? you assume he thinks that his predicament is any different than anyone elses? he probably on one level can't escape that feeling but he certainly knows logically that it isn't true. i can tell by the way he's saying it. he'sbeing blunt and honest here, and that probably leaves him frightened of how it will be taken, knowing full well he's not very likely in hell to be understood for it, and that's why he doesn't bother trying to explain it to people who won't understand anyway. i'm the same way. just yesterday i told my ex girlfriend that her being so nice to me makes me want to push her down a flight of stairs. truth be told, if i were stressed out enough, i'd do it and laugh when she broke her neck! and then i go down there and absolutely MUTILATE her body! because that makes me feel better.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:01 pm
Chieftain Twilight Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. and again, it isn't Post-War-Experience-Stress-Disorder, it's Post-Traumatic-Stress-Disorder! ANY TRAUMA! and guess what is traumatic? SEEING FIRSTHAND THE UNTREATED WOUNDS AND THE DISTURBED MINDS OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE FRONT LINES!! look at me, i havn't been in war. but i HAVE seen alot of s**t. i've been in alot of s**t. i've been on both giving and recieving ends of what most people consider unforgivable behavior or actions. everything from gang-violence, to domestic abuse, to rape, to murder! you know what that's done to me!? hell, i have ripped my friend's pet bunnie rabbits to pieces with my bare hands and teeth! just to feel the rush! that's a ******** PTSD psychosis! i have tried to kill my own friends, and they can testify that that is true! damnit, i ran screaming at a ******** tree! >.< to this day i am haunted by severe schitzophrenia, phobias, night terrors, and hysteric outbursts of uncontrolable rage to the point i feel posessed! i didn't have to be caught in cross fire for that to happen, and neither did Hasan! Oh, so then he should be allowed to walk free because he had a bad time in basic training and he CHOSE the line and career in the military to listen to other people's sob stories about watching people DIE? So then why hasn't any other Psychatrist started shooting up people after listening to all that? He is the only one, THE ONLY ONE! From what I can tell and what we can logically deduce, it wasn't PTSD, for we have only been at war for..... since the age of man? And there have been a LOT more gruesome wars out there than Iraq, and other psychatrists who studied those people from those wars haven't gone on shooting rampages killing comrades ever since it was recorded. But hey, what do I know, since I don't go ripping apart bunnies I suppose I don't know the ugly side of life. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for you, for most fits such as the ones you described are self-induced. The desire to see a reaction, albeit bad ones.
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