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 Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:31 pm
alteregoivy No, that was very interesting. ^_^ Thank you for the refresher course; like I said, it's been a long time since college. sweatdrop All I really keep up with these days is enough to understand Japanese cultural references to religion; that's one society that doesn't take its beliefs quite so dogmatically. While you're expected to perform certain rituals, and to respect them, it's just... I don't know how to explain it, but it's just not that big a deal. So I know what little bit of Buddhism I need to know to understand references to it in Japanese works. sweatdrop Ah, Japan. The land where you're born Shinto, married Christian and die Buddhist. xd Very fond of ritual as a whole, but also pretty relaxed and groovy about it. Very nifty place.
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:48 am
Byaggha alteregoivy No, that was very interesting. ^_^ Thank you for the refresher course; like I said, it's been a long time since college. sweatdrop All I really keep up with these days is enough to understand Japanese cultural references to religion; that's one society that doesn't take its beliefs quite so dogmatically. While you're expected to perform certain rituals, and to respect them, it's just... I don't know how to explain it, but it's just not that big a deal. So I know what little bit of Buddhism I need to know to understand references to it in Japanese works. sweatdrop Ah, Japan. The land where you're born Shinto, married Christian and die Buddhist. xd Very fond of ritual as a whole, but also pretty relaxed and groovy about it. Very nifty place. Lol, yeah, pretty much. As an aside, though, although they take on a lot of Western traditions with marriage, most marriage ceremonies are actually Shinto. It's also very solemn; only family allowed, and everyone dresses as if they're going to a funeral. Also, no recording of any kind allowed during the actual ceremony; no pictures, no video. It's the reception where things get weird and Western. xd
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:08 am
alteregoivy Lol, yeah, pretty much. As an aside, though, although they take on a lot of Western traditions with marriage, most marriage ceremonies are actually Shinto. It's also very solemn; only family allowed, and everyone dresses as if they're going to a funeral. Also, no recording of any kind allowed during the actual ceremony; no pictures, no video. It's the reception where things get weird and Western. xd I've seen quite a few videos from there lately where the wedding itself is in a Christian style, simply for spectacle. There's a love of the ceremony itself, the big dresses and tuxes. But that whole thing is nifty too - Shinto ceremony is cool. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:10 am
Byaggha alteregoivy Lol, yeah, pretty much. As an aside, though, although they take on a lot of Western traditions with marriage, most marriage ceremonies are actually Shinto. It's also very solemn; only family allowed, and everyone dresses as if they're going to a funeral. Also, no recording of any kind allowed during the actual ceremony; no pictures, no video. It's the reception where things get weird and Western. xd I've seen quite a few videos from there lately where the wedding itself is in a Christian style, simply for spectacle. There's a love of the ceremony itself, the big dresses and tuxes. But that whole thing is nifty too - Shinto ceremony is cool. 3nodding Oh, I saw a movie about weddings in Japan. I like the idea of Shinto ceremony, it's very nice to tear off all unecessary things when you get married, perhaps you can feel it's more spiritual than material that way. I like that. I also like the pagan ceremony which was described on another topic, I can't remember the name of a person who wrote that sadly sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:49 pm
divineseraph Raticiel divineseraph Raticiel divineseraph The Soul is the One Thing- It is what the alchemists called "Prima Materia" or "First Matter"- Actually, there is debate on wether the "Prima Materia" refers to the first existence or the first physical matter, which would be plasma, but in either case they are fairly close. Soul is more like energy than matter, though not exactly energy either. It contains thoughts and emotions- The body is a vessel for these things. Carbon chains do not feel. This said, it is like a television- The signals from space are not "solid", but the screen they project onto is. If your receptor is broken, then the picture comes in fuzzy. This does not mean that the signal is gone or nonexistent, simply that it's means of manifesting in a way other solid things can understand is no longer functional. so it is, so it goes. So is soul both an energy/power source and immaterial? Or is it physical? It is nonphysical, but is corrupted into what we know as physical matter. Matter comes from soul, or the origin of all things, but is not soul itself. So, we have a monistic dualism where all things are one, but act as two. "monistic dualism" eh? Sounds strange to me. How come something non-physical can produce something physical? What binds it all? And is the origin physical or not? Shall I take the third pill? How can energy produce mass? It's not that it produces it, it "downshifts" into it. The origin is soul- It has no mass or space. It is what was before the big bang. Infinite in scope, but with no direction. The big bang made space, the soulstuff downshifted to energy and matter, possibly through distance, possibly through the fact that there was now place for dimensional matter. Energy and mass both belong to physical discourse. What you say would imply my thoughts can change the world outside of me. I'd rather say the only way to prove existence of soul is to put it on the material or immaterial side, depending on are we materialists or idealists. Side note: of course both ways are impossible to hold fully. I'm afraid I can never stop being skeptical. cool
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:37 pm
Hmmmm... For me i think its a person's mind- their experiences, emotions, and knowledge all combined to form the essence of their being
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:42 pm
The electricity that powers our body, and allows conscious thought. At least, that's what I think it is.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:32 pm
E.G. 007 I believe the soul is the both the spirit and the physical body together me too. in Hebrew the word we translate as "soul" originally simply meant "neck", as in the psalm "the waters had risen up around my neck". so it means the life of any living thing, and has quite a physical feel to it. i like that. and the greek word we call soul can be translated simply as psyche - so you could say our psychological self was our soul, which is still pretty physical, especially with what we know about biochemistry. wiki quotes Carl Jung: "I have been compelled, in my investigations into the structure of the unconscious, to make a conceptual distinction between soul and psyche. By psyche, I understand the totality of all psychic processes, conscious as well as unconscious. By soul, on the other hand, I understand a clearly demarcated functional complex that can best be described as a "personality". (Jung, 1971: Def. 48 par. 797)" all observable and rational, no needs for spooky emanations. and it feels more real. if somebody tells me "that man wants to attack your soul", i will just think he is a creepy evangelist or something (or maybe the one warning me is?) but if they say "that man wants to attack your neck", i know jolly well to take action.
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