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bbydaeriel93

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:18 am


I've dealt with this issue. I want to say, I have never committed murder, I am not pregnant, and currently I am practicing abstinence. But the later is only because I got a great scare when I was late once.

It comes down to this: I think abortion is murder. It's wrong. But all sins are wrong. (God loves people no matter what they do, and the condition of the heart is what matters more than the sin.)


I am pro-choice. Mostly because I fear the consequences of abortion clinics going underground. I can't imagine what the states would be like if there wasn't as much open discussion between pro-life and pro-choice because we assumed it wasn't happening as much because it would be illegal. Not only would clinics be unsafe, but there would be little support for women who only have it done because they feel they are out of options.


Killing is wrong, but it's a choice NO female WANTS to make. It's alot harder to do than just, "oh, I think I'll have an abortion", take some pills and that's it. I don't think God judges a sin made out of desperation the same as he does a sin made from a willful want to do harm. We shouldn't either. (Just a thought, I know not all Christians are judgmental to the point of rejecting people.)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:48 pm


Lazarus The Resurected
Victum Soul
Lazarus The Resurected
[.Mini-Bat.]
Victum Soul
I know you were being sqarcastic, but some people thinks that is annoying, and I don't want you to bug my friends.

she is one of them, who also happens to be one of those that don't like that way of using sarcasm.

Suck it up. People are going to say stuff you don't like.
All courses of actions trying to restrain them from doing so will work to no avail.
Like I've said almost countless times before, grow up.


ok yeah i can see his point but i still side with Mini on this one. i will add a point to it. it realy makes me even more likely to retaliate. i'm realy trying hard not to right now but Vic your friensd has yet to complain for herself. let the girl defend herself.
I know man, but you know me, I'm always standing for people.


or stomping down on them, whichever the case may be. *grins* just playing man.
hahahahaha *stares* ninja

Divinus Cruor


Divinus Cruor

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:52 pm


bbydaeriel93
I've dealt with this issue. I want to say, I have never committed murder, I am not pregnant, and currently I am practicing abstinence. But the later is only because I got a great scare when I was late once.

It comes down to this: I think abortion is murder. It's wrong. But all sins are wrong. (God loves people no matter what they do, and the condition of the heart is what matters more than the sin.)


I am pro-choice. Mostly because I fear the consequences of abortion clinics going underground. I can't imagine what the states would be like if there wasn't as much open discussion between pro-life and pro-choice because we assumed it wasn't happening as much because it would be illegal. Not only would clinics be unsafe, but there would be little support for women who only have it done because they feel they are out of options.


Killing is wrong, but it's a choice NO female WANTS to make. It's alot harder to do than just, "oh, I think I'll have an abortion", take some pills and that's it. I don't think God judges a sin made out of desperation the same as he does a sin made from a willful want to do harm. We shouldn't either. (Just a thought, I know not all Christians are judgmental to the point of rejecting people.)
I would be lying if I told you I know the exact quote, cause I don't. But I remember reading in the bible that God sees every sin as sin. To kill is as bad as telling a lie. It was us that labeled sin as 'innocent sin' (just an example) or 'super evil son of satan's sin'

Still, I think making it legal will work in two different ways, it will help as you said, but it will also kill some feelings in us, people would think babies are an option too, and they will feel no regret in killing them. That's my opinion though, so I think abortion shouldn't be legal.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:54 am


The way i see it legal abortions do a number of good things for the world. A. they keep m13year olds from trying to raise kids, conduct abortions on themselves or cause themselves harm in an attempt at misscarrying. Aside from that it also is just one more preventative step against over overpopulation and poverty. of course there are much simpler methods. the condom, the pill the patch the needle all work wonderfully and there are more as well. Prevention is definitely a better idea than abortion. it's just easier.

Gaylord Mule 3


Nero PsyKoTiX

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:45 am


Lazarus The Resurected
The way i see it legal abortions do a number of good things for the world. A. they keep m13year olds from trying to raise kids, conduct abortions on themselves or cause themselves harm in an attempt at misscarrying. Aside from that it also is just one more preventative step against over overpopulation and poverty. of course there are much simpler methods. the condom, the pill the patch the needle all work wonderfully and there are more as well. Prevention is definitely a better idea than abortion. it's just easier.

Eh. Kids these days.
Once they figure out that Tab A goes into Slot B, it's all they think about.
Not even regarding consequences.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:16 pm


[.Mini-Bat.]
Lazarus The Resurected
The way i see it legal abortions do a number of good things for the world. A. they keep m13year olds from trying to raise kids, conduct abortions on themselves or cause themselves harm in an attempt at misscarrying. Aside from that it also is just one more preventative step against over overpopulation and poverty. of course there are much simpler methods. the condom, the pill the patch the needle all work wonderfully and there are more as well. Prevention is definitely a better idea than abortion. it's just easier.

Eh. Kids these days.
Once they figure out that Tab A goes into Slot B, it's all they think about.
Not even regarding consequences.
not entirely true. i actualy though alot about the concequences, but accident's do happen. i say let them go. in the end they'll know they were wrong.

Gaylord Mule 3


Blood_AngelX24

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:48 pm


[.Mini-Bat.]
Victum Soul
Blood_AngelX24
I just figure its not my body so why should the government/ other orgs. dictate what you can and can-not do to yourself? My way of thinking is if its not my body, its not my choice. but if it ever was your damn right i'd have a say in it.
yes, but abortion is not something you're doing to your body, like piercings and tattoos, it's something you're doing THROUGH your body TO someone else.

Yes, but either way people are going to make that choice. Illegally or legally, that choice is going to be made. Just like kids shooting up their schools, gangbangers selling drugs, etc. This is one of those things that really can't be stopped by simple law changes.


my sentaments exactly razz
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:33 am


Blood_AngelX24
[.Mini-Bat.]
Victum Soul
Blood_AngelX24
I just figure its not my body so why should the government/ other orgs. dictate what you can and can-not do to yourself? My way of thinking is if its not my body, its not my choice. but if it ever was your damn right i'd have a say in it.
yes, but abortion is not something you're doing to your body, like piercings and tattoos, it's something you're doing THROUGH your body TO someone else.

Yes, but either way people are going to make that choice. Illegally or legally, that choice is going to be made. Just like kids shooting up their schools, gangbangers selling drugs, etc. This is one of those things that really can't be stopped by simple law changes.


my sentaments exactly razz


and mine. man we need more people to come in here. thsi debate seems to have ground it's self out.

Gaylord Mule 3


vampy dave

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:06 pm


Ok, new person. Personally, I think it's wrong. I would never have one, nor would I encourage any of my friends to. If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. At least that way it has a chance at life. And after that, learn to keep your legs closed. -.- I hate it how some teens have 2-3 kids before they get out of high school and wonder why people look down on them. Or when girls have had 4-5 abortions by graduation. It's insane. Besides, life starts at conseption. Taking life is a sin, unless it's in war or self defense. I don't think an unborn child is very threatening...but that's just me. If getting pregnant is a bad thing, don't do the things to lead up to being pregnant! Duh...
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:58 am


mistressofthelost
Ok, new person. Personally, I think it's wrong. I would never have one, nor would I encourage any of my friends to. If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. At least that way it has a chance at life. And after that, learn to keep your legs closed. -.- I hate it how some teens have 2-3 kids before they get out of high school and wonder why people look down on them. Or when girls have had 4-5 abortions by graduation. It's insane. Besides, life starts at conseption. Taking life is a sin, unless it's in war or self defense. I don't think an unborn child is very threatening...but that's just me. If getting pregnant is a bad thing, don't do the things to lead up to being pregnant! Duh...


FINALY!! FRESH MEAT!!!

Ok for your first statment i have this simple rebuttal. Get raped. when that's over realize that you haven't had your period for a few months. get a pregnancy test. find out that the rapist impregnated you. now tell me you want to keep that child concieved of nothing but hate and pain in your mind. Also have you any idea how many murderers gangmembers and illadjusted sociopaths the foster care system turns out? if that kid dosen't get adopted real quick the chances of being alright at age 20 are pretty silm.

Here's a qurestion are you willing to devote 18 years of your lfe to something? are you willing to do it alone if the father bails. are you willing to live off wellfare becasue you never graduated because you had to drop out to rais your child? if you answered no to any of these then yes. an unborn child is a quite threatening thing.

yuo know why they have 2-3 kids before getting out of highschool? because they never finish highschool after the seccond

also i do not see the moral differance between abortion abd war at all. both are killing for personal gain. and actualy war should be less moral even that that becasue technically it's killing for the personal gain of some one else and getting paid for it. besides. how many unborn or newborn babies get killed when a missile fired miles away or a bomb dropped from miles up takes out a city block?

wow another preacher of abstinence. what abotu those people who have had sex. it's a little difficult to keep from doing it if you've got a taste for it.

Gaylord Mule 3


morsusmihi

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:20 pm


mistressofthelost
Ok, new person. Personally, I think it's wrong. I would never have one, nor would I encourage any of my friends to. If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. At least that way it has a chance at life. And after that, learn to keep your legs closed. -.- I hate it how some teens have 2-3 kids before they get out of high school and wonder why people look down on them. Or when girls have had 4-5 abortions by graduation. It's insane. Besides, life starts at conseption. Taking life is a sin, unless it's in war or self defense. I don't think an unborn child is very threatening...but that's just me. If getting pregnant is a bad thing, don't do the things to lead up to being pregnant! Duh...


What if a married couple were to not want kids...would you insist that they need to keep from being intimate because they don't feel ready to have another life depending on them at that moment? Also, after you have one abortion your chances of getting pregnant afterwards are very slim so having 4 or 5 abortions would not be likely. Have you ever thought that those teens who had 2 or 3 kids before getting out of highschool might have wanted to have children? Yes, it's not very smart to have a child when you have no way to support it, but why should other people have the right to look down on them? Isn't having children technically our only biological goal in life? Why is it so horrible that those people have done what we're supposed to do?

Also, war is not a good example because you shouldn't have to go to war. While I'm all for going over and kicking the butts of idiots or protecting our own butts or just retaliating for getting our butts kicked, that doesn't make it all right for us to kill. It is immoral even though I support it, but then again I also support the death penalty and abortion. Now, selfdefense is a good example because with that you rarely have a choice in the matter, not only are you scared to death, but also adrenaline is pumping double-time through your body...at that point you only react, you don't think. Also, the defense of someone else would work too. But not being paid to go and kill people.

Getting pregnant isn't a bad thing if you're ready. However, a lot of people usually are not. I think it's better to have an abortion than to give the child up for adoption because then the child will feel unwanted and hurt and then they'll most likely turn out to be a psycho killer if no one adopts them.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:38 pm


My mother had two options when my father abandoned her being pregnant. She could've aborted me, or she could've take the risk and raise me all by herself. I'm glad she went for the second one.

As my mother there's a lot of other single mothers. An abortion is a selfish decision about fixing your problem of being pregnant. You're killing a defenseless being. You want to kill the kid? let him/her born, grow and gain strength to fight back.

And Lazarus:

An unmarried teenage girl is pregnant. She has a few options, one of them: have an abortion. Her fiance is not the baby's father and he's very upset... She would get in so much trouble if she has the baby. She is poor, and her family will definitely NOT support her being in that situation.

Would this one be a good reason to get an abortion?

This unmarried teenage girl had her baby: Jesus Christ.

Divinus Cruor


Gaylord Mule 3

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:11 pm


Victum Soul
My mother had two options when my father abandoned her being pregnant. She could've aborted me, or she could've take the risk and raise me all by herself. I'm glad she went for the second one.

As my mother there's a lot of other single mothers. An abortion is a selfish decision about fixing your problem of being pregnant. You're killing a defenseless being. You want to kill the kid? let him/her born, grow and gain strength to fight back.

And Lazarus:

An unmarried teenage girl is pregnant. She has a few options, one of them: have an abortion. Her fiance is not the baby's father and he's very upset... She would get in so much trouble if she has the baby. She is poor, and her family will definitely NOT support her being in that situation.

Would this one be a good reason to get an abortion?

This unmarried teenage girl had her baby: Jesus Christ.
`

Hey Vic the little storry would have been much cooler had you not ruined the ending. sadly for you i had heard it before. and last i checked in 33BC they had no abortion methods to speak of.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:46 pm


Lazarus The Resurected
mistressofthelost
Ok, new person. Personally, I think it's wrong. I would never have one, nor would I encourage any of my friends to. If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. At least that way it has a chance at life. And after that, learn to keep your legs closed. -.- I hate it how some teens have 2-3 kids before they get out of high school and wonder why people look down on them. Or when girls have had 4-5 abortions by graduation. It's insane. Besides, life starts at conseption. Taking life is a sin, unless it's in war or self defense. I don't think an unborn child is very threatening...but that's just me. If getting pregnant is a bad thing, don't do the things to lead up to being pregnant! Duh...


FINALY!! FRESH MEAT!!!

Ok for your first statment i have this simple rebuttal. Get raped. when that's over realize that you haven't had your period for a few months. get a pregnancy test. find out that the rapist impregnated you. now tell me you want to keep that child concieved of nothing but hate and pain in your mind. Also have you any idea how many murderers gangmembers and illadjusted sociopaths the foster care system turns out? if that kid dosen't get adopted real quick the chances of being alright at age 20 are pretty silm.

Here's a qurestion are you willing to devote 18 years of your lfe to something? are you willing to do it alone if the father bails. are you willing to live off wellfare becasue you never graduated because you had to drop out to rais your child? if you answered no to any of these then yes. an unborn child is a quite threatening thing.

yuo know why they have 2-3 kids before getting out of highschool? because they never finish highschool after the seccond

also i do not see the moral differance between abortion abd war at all. both are killing for personal gain. and actualy war should be less moral even that that becasue technically it's killing for the personal gain of some one else and getting paid for it. besides. how many unborn or newborn babies get killed when a missile fired miles away or a bomb dropped from miles up takes out a city block?

wow another preacher of abstinence. what abotu those people who have had sex. it's a little difficult to keep from doing it if you've got a taste for it.


And for yours, I have this. I have been raped and I thought I was pregnant. Guess what. I was willing to keep the child, even though I hate it's would-be father and my parents probably would've kicked me out, rape or no.

I know girls in my class (senior) who have 2 kids with another on the way and they're graduating. Good for them for finishing I guess, but life would've been a whole lot easier if they had waited.

I wasn't trying to equate them exactly, rather, they both involve the killing of innocents. Not that either is right, but when you are fighting to keep your country safe, a death is a little more justified that killing a child because you're too lazy to raise it.

Also, I have had sex, both willing and not. I know it's hard to go without, but hey, I know I can manage.



To morsusmihi:

To a married couple, I would reccomend birth control and condoms. Pregnancy isn't that hard to prevent.

I know a girl who has gotten pregnant at least 3 times and had an abortion every time. Yes, I know abortion lowers the body's ability to reproduce, but it doesn't eliminate it.

Yeah, some teens may want the kids. My best friend is trying to get pregnant right now actually. But it's still not a smart decision to have a child before you have the ability and stability to raise it.

War happens. People get mad, they fight. If we were attacked, I'd definitely want to go to war so we can protect ourselves. War, when done right, is just self-defence on a large scale.

Not all kids who enter the system enter up in a bad place. Then again, it does happen. I know 6 siblings that have been adopted by the same family (they're my cousins you could say). They're perfectly normal and happy. I can't say I know anyone who wasn't adopted out of the system, but then again, if they cleaned up the system, it wouldn't be that bad.

vampy dave


Divinus Cruor

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:03 pm


Lazarus The Resurected
Victum Soul
My mother had two options when my father abandoned her being pregnant. She could've aborted me, or she could've take the risk and raise me all by herself. I'm glad she went for the second one.

As my mother there's a lot of other single mothers. An abortion is a selfish decision about fixing your problem of being pregnant. You're killing a defenseless being. You want to kill the kid? let him/her born, grow and gain strength to fight back.

And Lazarus:

An unmarried teenage girl is pregnant. She has a few options, one of them: have an abortion. Her fiance is not the baby's father and he's very upset... She would get in so much trouble if she has the baby. She is poor, and her family will definitely NOT support her being in that situation.

Would this one be a good reason to get an abortion?

This unmarried teenage girl had her baby: Jesus Christ.
`

Hey Vic the little storry would have been much cooler had you not ruined the ending. sadly for you i had heard it before. and last i checked in 33BC they had no abortion methods to speak of.
I didn't ruin anything, I just wrote it like it goes.

Sadly for me? dude, my happiness doesn't revolve around how many times I own you over and over again in these topics.

Read the book of JOB. He mentions something like ''why wasn't I aborted?? '' there was abortion methods. Plain and simple: when a father found out his teenage girl was pregnant he would give hear a beat up so bad she would stay alive, but she'd lose her baby.

I am not discussing anymore with you on this. It's pointless, you claim you're a christianm but you do not act like one, I have read only counted times a post by you that actually says according to God's heart. Reply if you want, you won't be honored with attention. Sorry dude, I still like you and all, but I'm not discussing anymore.
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