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 Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:02 pm
DasUberGuy 1. Except every time we've seen a powerup in the DBU it causes huge energy reactions and shakes everything all over. There's no reason SSJ4 would be different, that's just how DBU ki power works. 2. Then how come it looked like he was struggling with it? 3. Dialogue in GT is unreliable because GT has so many plot holes and inconsistencies. 1 - SSJ4 is a whole new level of SSJ. It's nothing like SSJ - SSJ3. First off, he looks completely different. Second, it's a transformation from Golden Oozaru, which is not like any other transformation. Obviously, it's different in many aspects, and the level of eruption doesn't matter because it could easily be different like everything else. Again, it proves nothing. 2 - I just explained that. People think slow = weak. That's not the case here. People were inside the building, and Goku had to bring it down very slowly so that fewer people were hurt. It may have looked like he was struggling, but in reality he was just sparing lives by using limited speed. 3 - Give me some dialogue inconsistencies.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:06 pm
1. Oozaru transformations are no different than other transformations, they increase the Saiyan's power, and that comes with increased powering - up effects.
2. No, he was clearly struggling, gasping and panting and such.
3. Why dialogue inconsistencies? There are plenty of other inconsistencies.
Anyway, if you insist "Rildo is stronger than Majin Buu".
Not true, he never demonstrated any feats that put him anywhere near Buu's level. Kid Buu would have just vaped his planet and been done with it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:15 pm
DasUberGuy 1. Oozaru transformations are no different than other transformations, they increase the Saiyan's power, and that comes with increased powering - up effects. 2. No, he was clearly struggling, gasping and panting and such. 3. Why dialogue inconsistencies? There are plenty of other inconsistencies. Anyway, if you insist "Rildo is stronger than Majin Buu". Not true, he never demonstrated any feats that put him anywhere near Buu's level. Kid Buu would have just vaped his planet and been done with it. 1 - Goku's entire being was changed. It was no ordinary power up like the other SSJ levels, and the level of eruption stands for absolutely nothing. 2 - No, he wasn't struggling. Panting or not, he just expended a major amount of energy. 3 - Dialogue inconsistencies because you said so. You're contradicting yourself here. You don't have to express your power to be more powerful. If a regular teenager breaks open a punching bag, does it mean that he's stronger than the black belt who never tried it?
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:20 pm
1. Yes it does. Every time we see a powerup in the DBU, we can judge it by the effects on the environment. Saying SSJ4 is different is just asinine speculation with no proof.
2. He was struggling, what we need are screencaps. Someone needs to get them.
3. I said 'inconsistencies', not 'dialogue inconsistencies'. Besides, I named one.
4. We saw what Rildo could do. He couldn't even beat SSJ1 Goku, when Goku was kid. If anything, that makes him weaker than Frieza, not stronger than Buu.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:56 pm
DasUberGuy 1. Yes it does. Every time we see a powerup in the DBU, we can judge it by the effects on the environment. Saying SSJ4 is different is just asinine speculation with no proof. 2. He was struggling, what we need are screencaps. Someone needs to get them. 3. I said 'inconsistencies', not 'dialogue inconsistencies'. Besides, I named one. 4. We saw what Rildo could do. He couldn't even beat SSJ1 Goku, when Goku was kid. If anything, that makes him weaker than Frieza, not stronger than Buu. but goke was training non stop after the end of DBZ so he could have gotten stronger
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:05 pm
Except he didn't. His feats in GT don't put him at anywhere near his Z levels.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:08 pm
DasUberGuy 1. Yes it does. Every time we see a powerup in the DBU, we can judge it by the effects on the environment. Saying SSJ4 is different is just asinine speculation with no proof. 2. He was struggling, what we need are screencaps. Someone needs to get them. 3. I said 'inconsistencies', not 'dialogue inconsistencies'. Besides, I named one. 4. We saw what Rildo could do. He couldn't even beat SSJ1 Goku, when Goku was kid. If anything, that makes him weaker than Frieza, not stronger than Buu. 1 - Alright, how about Piccolo's fusing with Kami. Where's the eruption there? Or even the fusion between Goku and Vegeta to Vegeto? How about when Gohan turned Oozaru? Or when Guru unlocked Gohan and Krillin's hidden potential? Those are all power-ups like you said, with no eruptions. 2 - Let's keep this one pending until we get the screencaps. 3 - You said - "Dialogue in GT is unreliable because GT has so many plot holes and inconsistencies." That's why I wanted you to list some.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:16 pm
1. That's a fusion, it's different. And if you recall, there was a huge glow. As for the others, those were not normal powerups, except for the Oozaru, which actually did have environmental effects IIRC.
2. Okay
3. What I meant was the inconsistencies, not necessarily the dialogue ones, made dialogue unreliable, not that there were lots of dialogue inconsistencies.
But the fact remains, SSJ4 Goku has no feats that put him on the level of SSJ3 Goku.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:49 pm
Alright, after thinking this over for a bit, I think it's fair enough to call GT non-canon.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:51 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Alright, after thinking this over for a bit, I think it's fair enough to call GT non-canon. I am breaking out the wine and cheese over this one. cheese_whine
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