|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:49 pm
Nebulance Imitation Stradivarius Echo Sora I've never been to Church or read a bible so I can't say too much about this, but one thing that REALLY bugs me is that apparently if you aren't a Christian and don't accept Jesus you go to hell. But how can that be, what happens to a foetus who dies in the womb, or a baby dies, or maybe someone in another country who lives in a very solitary place where they never see outsiders, and they wouldn't have been able to learn of Christianity. Their supposed to go to hell simply for not being able to know? There's this thing called the age of accountability. I don't know why Catholics think that if babies die, they go to Hell, because I haven't read any scripture referencing Hell as a destination for babies. let me tell you a story. King David saw this chick bathing on her roof and he thought, "she's hot. I want her. what's her husband's name? I'll send him to the front lines and he'll die so i can hav her." So King David ends up having her. They spawn a kid and the kid dies. When the kid dies, David is joyful and his people think he lost it. but his justification of his joy is that he can't bring his son back to him, but one day, he (david) can go to him. What can we infer from this story? A baby that hasn't even had a chance to knowingly separate him or herself from God is innocent and will be in heaven when they die. I think this counts for mentally handicapped individual as well - to an extent. Give me a little time to find a Biblical reference to that one, though. Yes, this is a good one to argue salvation of the innocents (to coin a phrase... not sure what the doctrine is actually called) from. It doesn't address the larger issue of those who have not heard of Jesus but are fully grown and capable, of course. So the way they think is that as long as you are at a time/mental state where you are able to comprehend and knowingly do something bad, THEN you can go to hell if you die? But if you aren't at that point, you go to heaven?
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:35 pm
Imitation Stradivarius Echo Sora I've never been to Church or read a bible so I can't say too much about this, but one thing that REALLY bugs me is that apparently if you aren't a Christian and don't accept Jesus you go to hell. But how can that be, what happens to a foetus who dies in the womb, or a baby dies, or maybe someone in another country who lives in a very solitary place where they never see outsiders, and they wouldn't have been able to learn of Christianity. Their supposed to go to hell simply for not being able to know? There's this thing called the age of accountability. I don't know why Catholics think that if babies die, they go to Hell, because I haven't read any scripture referencing Hell as a destination for babies. let me tell you a story. King David saw this chick bathing on her roof and he thought, "she's hot. I want her. what's her husband's name? I'll send him to the front lines and he'll die so i can hav her." So King David ends up having her. They spawn a kid and the kid dies. When the kid dies, David is joyful and his people think he lost it. but his justification of his joy is that he can't bring his son back to him, but one day, he (david) can go to him. What can we infer from this story? A baby that hasn't even had a chance to knowingly separate him or herself from God is innocent and will be in heaven when they die. I think this counts for mentally handicapped individual as well - to an extent. Give me a little time to find a Biblical reference to that one, though. Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:01 pm
My Favorite Biblical Misinterpretations and Mistranslations:
That the OT is still applicable to Christians even though it is clearly Jewish law and Jewish customs and Jewish culture. This includes Leviticus.
That Matthew 5 says you can follow the OT laws even though Matthew 5:19-20 says that only the Ten Commandments are applicable.
That the rest of Matthew 7 says it's okay to judge someone else when in reality it gives examples on why you shouldn't judge others.
That Cor 6:9 says that homosexuals are going to hell when in reality it doesn't according to the Hebrew and the Greek text.
That Romans 1:26-29 says that gays are unnatural when in reality it's talking about Gentiles and women being in dominant roles.
That homosexuality is rarely mentioned in the NT and it isn't mentioned as a sin.
That Noah's Ark actually happened when in reality it's not scientifically possible.
That Eve is to blame for Original Sin instead of putting the blame on Adam also.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:39 pm
heart Yes, the whole deal about believing in Jesus or going to Hell bit. That part is jut the religious spinoff to draw people in and make them afraid of other religions. Christianity is of particular interest to me... so full of love, mercy, charity, and beauty... yet at the same time so downright full of pure garbage! heart
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:29 pm
Sailor_Solitaire heart Yes, the whole deal about believing in Jesus or going to Hell bit. That part is jut the religious spinoff to draw people in and make them afraid of other religions. Christianity is of particular interest to me... so full of love, mercy, charity, and beauty... yet at the same time so downright full of pure garbage! heart Actually, the bit about Jesus descending into hell isn't meant to project fear. Quite the opposite, in fact. Christ went to hell to liberate those who died before His Incarnation and to destroy "the gates of brass" - hell's dominion over Mankind. it was act of supreme love. Imagine - the only sinless man dying and going to hell, which he didn't deserve, to free common, mortal man. That, my friend, is powerful, awe-inspiring stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:43 pm
Semiremis Imitation Stradivarius Echo Sora I've never been to Church or read a bible so I can't say too much about this, but one thing that REALLY bugs me is that apparently if you aren't a Christian and don't accept Jesus you go to hell. But how can that be, what happens to a foetus who dies in the womb, or a baby dies, or maybe someone in another country who lives in a very solitary place where they never see outsiders, and they wouldn't have been able to learn of Christianity. Their supposed to go to hell simply for not being able to know? There's this thing called the age of accountability. I don't know why Catholics think that if babies die, they go to Hell, because I haven't read any scripture referencing Hell as a destination for babies. let me tell you a story. King David saw this chick bathing on her roof and he thought, "she's hot. I want her. what's her husband's name? I'll send him to the front lines and he'll die so i can hav her." So King David ends up having her. They spawn a kid and the kid dies. When the kid dies, David is joyful and his people think he lost it. but his justification of his joy is that he can't bring his son back to him, but one day, he (david) can go to him. What can we infer from this story? A baby that hasn't even had a chance to knowingly separate him or herself from God is innocent and will be in heaven when they die. I think this counts for mentally handicapped individual as well - to an extent. Give me a little time to find a Biblical reference to that one, though. Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God. I can't remember where this is from, BUT, there is supposed to be a special place where babies can live their lives, removed from normal society, kind of like a parallel world. It's supposed to be in a corner of Hell or something. I'm not Christian, but I have read the bible front to back, including the books that weren't in the bible originally.I CANNOT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, I JUST REMEMBER IT FAINTLY.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:36 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Imitation Stradivarius Echo Sora I've never been to Church or read a bible so I can't say too much about this, but one thing that REALLY bugs me is that apparently if you aren't a Christian and don't accept Jesus you go to hell. But how can that be, what happens to a foetus who dies in the womb, or a baby dies, or maybe someone in another country who lives in a very solitary place where they never see outsiders, and they wouldn't have been able to learn of Christianity. Their supposed to go to hell simply for not being able to know? There's this thing called the age of accountability. I don't know why Catholics think that if babies die, they go to Hell, because I haven't read any scripture referencing Hell as a destination for babies. let me tell you a story. King David saw this chick bathing on her roof and he thought, "she's hot. I want her. what's her husband's name? I'll send him to the front lines and he'll die so i can hav her." So King David ends up having her. They spawn a kid and the kid dies. When the kid dies, David is joyful and his people think he lost it. but his justification of his joy is that he can't bring his son back to him, but one day, he (david) can go to him. What can we infer from this story? A baby that hasn't even had a chance to knowingly separate him or herself from God is innocent and will be in heaven when they die. I think this counts for mentally handicapped individual as well - to an extent. Give me a little time to find a Biblical reference to that one, though. Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God. I can't remember where this is from, BUT, there is supposed to be a special place where babies can live their lives, removed from normal society, kind of like a parallel world. It's supposed to be in a corner of Hell or something. I'm not Christian, but I have read the bible front to back, including the books that weren't in the bible originally.I CANNOT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, I JUST REMEMBER IT FAINTLY. Catholic theologians use to debate the idea of Limbo which sounds similar to what you're describing, but a few years back the Church made a statement that it has no biblical backing so the idea was officially dropped.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:43 pm
Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Imitation Stradivarius Echo Sora I've never been to Church or read a bible so I can't say too much about this, but one thing that REALLY bugs me is that apparently if you aren't a Christian and don't accept Jesus you go to hell. But how can that be, what happens to a foetus who dies in the womb, or a baby dies, or maybe someone in another country who lives in a very solitary place where they never see outsiders, and they wouldn't have been able to learn of Christianity. Their supposed to go to hell simply for not being able to know? There's this thing called the age of accountability. I don't know why Catholics think that if babies die, they go to Hell, because I haven't read any scripture referencing Hell as a destination for babies. let me tell you a story. King David saw this chick bathing on her roof and he thought, "she's hot. I want her. what's her husband's name? I'll send him to the front lines and he'll die so i can hav her." So King David ends up having her. They spawn a kid and the kid dies. When the kid dies, David is joyful and his people think he lost it. but his justification of his joy is that he can't bring his son back to him, but one day, he (david) can go to him. What can we infer from this story? A baby that hasn't even had a chance to knowingly separate him or herself from God is innocent and will be in heaven when they die. I think this counts for mentally handicapped individual as well - to an extent. Give me a little time to find a Biblical reference to that one, though. Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God. I can't remember where this is from, BUT, there is supposed to be a special place where babies can live their lives, removed from normal society, kind of like a parallel world. It's supposed to be in a corner of Hell or something. I'm not Christian, but I have read the bible front to back, including the books that weren't in the bible originally.I CANNOT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, I JUST REMEMBER IT FAINTLY. Catholic theologians use to debate the idea of Limbo which sounds similar to what you're describing, but a few years back the Church made a statement that it has no biblical backing so the idea was officially dropped. Thank you! Limbo is what it was. I'm not Christian, so details on exactly what Limbo is are probably wrong. But why did they remove Limbo? It was a perfectly reasonable explanation for those that weren't baptized, other than baptism wasn't required.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:59 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Imitation Stradivarius Echo Sora I've never been to Church or read a bible so I can't say too much about this, but one thing that REALLY bugs me is that apparently if you aren't a Christian and don't accept Jesus you go to hell. But how can that be, what happens to a foetus who dies in the womb, or a baby dies, or maybe someone in another country who lives in a very solitary place where they never see outsiders, and they wouldn't have been able to learn of Christianity. Their supposed to go to hell simply for not being able to know? There's this thing called the age of accountability. I don't know why Catholics think that if babies die, they go to Hell, because I haven't read any scripture referencing Hell as a destination for babies. let me tell you a story. King David saw this chick bathing on her roof and he thought, "she's hot. I want her. what's her husband's name? I'll send him to the front lines and he'll die so i can hav her." So King David ends up having her. They spawn a kid and the kid dies. When the kid dies, David is joyful and his people think he lost it. but his justification of his joy is that he can't bring his son back to him, but one day, he (david) can go to him. What can we infer from this story? A baby that hasn't even had a chance to knowingly separate him or herself from God is innocent and will be in heaven when they die. I think this counts for mentally handicapped individual as well - to an extent. Give me a little time to find a Biblical reference to that one, though. Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God. I can't remember where this is from, BUT, there is supposed to be a special place where babies can live their lives, removed from normal society, kind of like a parallel world. It's supposed to be in a corner of Hell or something. I'm not Christian, but I have read the bible front to back, including the books that weren't in the bible originally.I CANNOT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, I JUST REMEMBER IT FAINTLY. Catholic theologians use to debate the idea of Limbo which sounds similar to what you're describing, but a few years back the Church made a statement that it has no biblical backing so the idea was officially dropped. Thank you! Limbo is what it was. I'm not Christian, so details on exactly what Limbo is are probably wrong. But why did they remove Limbo? It was a perfectly reasonable explanation for those that weren't baptized, other than baptism wasn't required. Because Limbo had no Biblical backing.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:02 pm
xLady Tsukiyox My Favorite Biblical Misinterpretations and Mistranslations: That the OT is still applicable to Christians even though it is clearly Jewish law and Jewish customs and Jewish culture. This includes Leviticus. That Matthew 5 says you can follow the OT laws even though Matthew 5:19-20 says that only the Ten Commandments are applicable. That the rest of Matthew 7 says it's okay to judge someone else when in reality it gives examples on why you shouldn't judge others. That Cor 6:9 says that homosexuals are going to hell when in reality it doesn't according to the Hebrew and the Greek text. That Romans 1:26-29 says that gays are unnatural when in reality it's talking about Gentiles and women being in dominant roles. That homosexuality is rarely mentioned in the NT and it isn't mentioned as a sin. That Noah's Ark actually happened when in reality it's not scientifically possible. That Eve is to blame for Original Sin instead of putting the blame on Adam also. Tsukiyo, if you're a Christian, why are you slamming the Bible? That seems a bit like insulting a friend when you don't understand them. xp
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:26 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Imitation Stradivarius Echo Sora I've never been to Church or read a bible so I can't say too much about this, but one thing that REALLY bugs me is that apparently if you aren't a Christian and don't accept Jesus you go to hell. But how can that be, what happens to a foetus who dies in the womb, or a baby dies, or maybe someone in another country who lives in a very solitary place where they never see outsiders, and they wouldn't have been able to learn of Christianity. Their supposed to go to hell simply for not being able to know? There's this thing called the age of accountability. I don't know why Catholics think that if babies die, they go to Hell, because I haven't read any scripture referencing Hell as a destination for babies. let me tell you a story. King David saw this chick bathing on her roof and he thought, "she's hot. I want her. what's her husband's name? I'll send him to the front lines and he'll die so i can hav her." So King David ends up having her. They spawn a kid and the kid dies. When the kid dies, David is joyful and his people think he lost it. but his justification of his joy is that he can't bring his son back to him, but one day, he (david) can go to him. What can we infer from this story? A baby that hasn't even had a chance to knowingly separate him or herself from God is innocent and will be in heaven when they die. I think this counts for mentally handicapped individual as well - to an extent. Give me a little time to find a Biblical reference to that one, though. Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God. I can't remember where this is from, BUT, there is supposed to be a special place where babies can live their lives, removed from normal society, kind of like a parallel world. It's supposed to be in a corner of Hell or something. I'm not Christian, but I have read the bible front to back, including the books that weren't in the bible originally.I CANNOT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, I JUST REMEMBER IT FAINTLY. Catholic theologians use to debate the idea of Limbo which sounds similar to what you're describing, but a few years back the Church made a statement that it has no biblical backing so the idea was officially dropped. Thank you! Limbo is what it was. I'm not Christian, so details on exactly what Limbo is are probably wrong. But why did they remove Limbo? It was a perfectly reasonable explanation for those that weren't baptized, other than baptism wasn't required. It was never Catholic dogma but it has been a topic that theologians have been wondering about for many years now. Early on in Church history (before St. Augustine), the widespread belief was that the infants who died before they were baptized were not admitted into heaven but at the same time they were not damned either. The debate over Limbo is a very old one and the Church didn't remove Limbo they just said it wasn't backed by the bible and therefore isn't something that we know exists. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. We have no reason to believe that it does other than the belief that God, through his mercy would not send them to hell. Limbo seemed like the reasonable conclusion to many but it can't be substantiated.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:31 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God. I can't remember where this is from, BUT, there is supposed to be a special place where babies can live their lives, removed from normal society, kind of like a parallel world. It's supposed to be in a corner of Hell or something. I'm not Christian, but I have read the bible front to back, including the books that weren't in the bible originally.I CANNOT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, I JUST REMEMBER IT FAINTLY. Catholic theologians use to debate the idea of Limbo which sounds similar to what you're describing, but a few years back the Church made a statement that it has no biblical backing so the idea was officially dropped. Thank you! Limbo is what it was. I'm not Christian, so details on exactly what Limbo is are probably wrong. But why did they remove Limbo? It was a perfectly reasonable explanation for those that weren't baptized, other than baptism wasn't required. Because Limbo had no Biblical backing. Ahh... I read it up and it said they baptize dead babies too, just to make sure. And a lot of things didn't have biblical backing. (the crusades, homosexuality, witchcraft (Which is debatable as a mis-translation.), and what Hell actually is. (burning pit of physical pain or place of eternal suffering? They don't know, and the Bible gives multiple versions of Hell.) Shall I go on? I'm not trying to ignite the flames, but I want reasons for those, other than they felt like it or it was the will of God.)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:44 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man xxEternallyBluexx Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Catholics (in line with Church teachings) don't think that babies will go to hell if they die, if they've been baptized than we don't really worry too much about their salvation. If they haven't been baptized well, the bible doesn't say either way so all we can do is trust in the mercy of God. I can't remember where this is from, BUT, there is supposed to be a special place where babies can live their lives, removed from normal society, kind of like a parallel world. It's supposed to be in a corner of Hell or something. I'm not Christian, but I have read the bible front to back, including the books that weren't in the bible originally.I CANNOT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, I JUST REMEMBER IT FAINTLY. Catholic theologians use to debate the idea of Limbo which sounds similar to what you're describing, but a few years back the Church made a statement that it has no biblical backing so the idea was officially dropped. Thank you! Limbo is what it was. I'm not Christian, so details on exactly what Limbo is are probably wrong. But why did they remove Limbo? It was a perfectly reasonable explanation for those that weren't baptized, other than baptism wasn't required. Because Limbo had no Biblical backing. Ahh... I read it up and it said they baptize dead babies too, just to make sure. And a lot of things didn't have biblical backing. (the crusades, homosexuality, witchcraft (Which is debatable as a mis-translation.), and what Hell actually is. (burning pit of physical pain or place of eternal suffering? They don't know, and the Bible gives multiple versions of Hell.) Shall I go on? I'm not trying to ignite the flames, but I want reasons for those, other than they felt like it or it was the will of God.) I'd disagree with the italicized parts. There are words against homosexuality (even if some Christians consider it a mistranslation), and definetely against witchcraft. And do you think you can get the Hell verses, or possibly some links? And just because Christians don't always manage to follow the Bible, doesn't make it right. When they find they aren't, it's good that they fix it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
