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 Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:08 pm
Hinote Tosatsu iLadyShira-chan Cobra_X -o-Havik-o- Cobra_X iLadyShira-chan Doesn't the Bible say that sex in any position but the Missionary position is considered unholy, especially oral?
Better start repenting. xd Does it still count as sin if you have sexy time out of wedlock, but get married to said person, later? Yes. But the marriage is considered a good way of correcting the issue. Still best to quit and wait though. 
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:17 pm
Cobra_X -o-Havik-o- Cobra_X iLadyShira-chan Doesn't the Bible say that sex in any position but the Missionary position is considered unholy, especially oral?
Better start repenting. xd
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:20 pm
so, what's going on everyone?
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:19 pm
*points up* there having a discussion about when sex is not a sin...
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:33 pm
iLadyShira-chan TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Cobra_X TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Adultery is sex with another who is not the one you are monogamous with. Therefore, since it would be solely with her, it couldn't be adultery. Hester Prin was marked with an A because she slept with a man who wasn't who she was monogamous to, and the A was for adultery.
The truth is the bible calls out against Sexual Immorality in many forms... fornication, adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, etc... People just try to walk around the subjects so they can vindicate themselves.
The simple truth is that sex before marriage, or really, any sexual act outside of marriage... is sin... and trying to say that it's not is defying the word of God. Plain and Simple.Prostitution is the act of preforming something for one person that another could satisfy, and should satisfy. Prostitution isn't restricted to sex. Marriage is rarely mentioned in the bible. If I remember correctly, in the original texts, the word they used for wife, was actually a word that came to mean wife, but originally meant a loved one, much in the way we see a wife now. Likewise Husband was much created the same way. Marriage is a fairly new thing, I can't recall of ever seeing scripture of a marriage ceremony aside from the one that jesus attended to, and in all honesty, it probably wasn't so much a marriage as something akin to it, but not exactly the same. So many words of the bible have been changed from their original saying, mostly due to dificult translation, so they use a word that relatively fits the term. After decades of this, much of the substance of the Bible has changed. I'm not saying it is changed beyond recognition, but I'd rather take my facts from the older Bibles, and cross reference them with ( Brace yourselves, we're going into some rocky waters here... ) The Torah, and the Quran. While they are separate religious texts, they are infact much the same as the Christian Bible. One merely omits Jesus christ's teachings, and the other merely considers him an amazing Prophet, who did enact miracles, but who was not the son of God. While I don't agree with them, BOTH religions are older than Christianity, so they most likely have more solid information of the older times. I'm not going to justify my actions, saying what you believe is wrong, I'm just saying that given my divine right of choice, I choose to think that Marriage is new to society, and if premarital sex is indeed a sin, then so many people of the world who don't have sex until married are going to hell, and so many people throughout history will be in hell. That's exactly what I say when I tell people I don't believe in the Bible. Of course then they mostly get all huffy like I've offended their life or something. I then point out that I never said I didn't believe in GOD, I said I didn't believe in the BIBLE. Big difference. And it's simply because, not only is translating an ancient dead language like Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek are incredibly hard; but several words we have in the English language aren't even in other languages; so when it comes to translation, people have to pick the original closest word to it. For example, The Coat of Many Colors, isn't actually a coat. Translators don't even know what it is, because the word in the Dead Sea Scrolls doesn't translate to any other existing word. The closest they guessed to was "coat" but for all we know it could have been a cloak, a tunic, a g-string, or a fairy. Another reason I don't believe in the Bible, is because, when you were in elementary school, you're teacher sat you and everybody else down in a circle, and starting with the person closest to her on the left, she whispered a sentence in your ear. You had to keep whsipering the sentence as you heard it in the person's ear to your left, and by the time it got back to the teacher it was an incredibly different sentence from what she said. She would have said "I had tomatoe soup for dinner last night." But when it got back to her the sentence would be "I dog coughed up a turtle at the funeral" It was to teach you not to gossip, but the same thing applies to this situation. Several hundred years worth of text is written in the Bible, and at some point along the way, something had to have been changed when being told and written. It's like people back in Green and Roman made up stories to explain certain events happening because they weren't as scientifically advanced and therefore didn't know that the Earth spun which made the sun "rise" and "Set" everyday; but instead they thought some great Sun God was the reason for it all. In any culture you go to, you'll find any diety that someone somewhere completely is convinced exists. That's why I've resigned myself to believe there is *a* God out there; but its probably not the God depicted in the Bible, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or mythology, or anything. Ahhh, Ok, I was unaware that The Dream Coat wasn't translated correctly. That's a bit of knowledge I'd like to see if my pastor knows, so far I haven't been able to stump him once with a question... He even answered my questions about Lucifer's decent from heaven. ( I use decent because I can't think of a word like cast that would have worked in that sentence. ) While I do still believe that for the most part the Bible is intact, seeing as it was written peice by peice over decades, the newer parts should be fairly intact, unless they were merely Oral history beforehand, and not divinely inspired like I'd love to believe. Also, the reason I said that is because it would honestly be hilarious. xD Seeing you stalking people with a baby strapped to your back, the baby is holding a pair of binoculars and has a grenade belt on. xD
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:38 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz iLadyShira-chan TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Cobra_X TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Adultery is sex with another who is not the one you are monogamous with. Therefore, since it would be solely with her, it couldn't be adultery. Hester Prin was marked with an A because she slept with a man who wasn't who she was monogamous to, and the A was for adultery.
The truth is the bible calls out against Sexual Immorality in many forms... fornication, adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, etc... People just try to walk around the subjects so they can vindicate themselves.
The simple truth is that sex before marriage, or really, any sexual act outside of marriage... is sin... and trying to say that it's not is defying the word of God. Plain and Simple.Prostitution is the act of preforming something for one person that another could satisfy, and should satisfy. Prostitution isn't restricted to sex. Marriage is rarely mentioned in the bible. If I remember correctly, in the original texts, the word they used for wife, was actually a word that came to mean wife, but originally meant a loved one, much in the way we see a wife now. Likewise Husband was much created the same way. Marriage is a fairly new thing, I can't recall of ever seeing scripture of a marriage ceremony aside from the one that jesus attended to, and in all honesty, it probably wasn't so much a marriage as something akin to it, but not exactly the same. So many words of the bible have been changed from their original saying, mostly due to dificult translation, so they use a word that relatively fits the term. After decades of this, much of the substance of the Bible has changed. I'm not saying it is changed beyond recognition, but I'd rather take my facts from the older Bibles, and cross reference them with ( Brace yourselves, we're going into some rocky waters here... ) The Torah, and the Quran. While they are separate religious texts, they are infact much the same as the Christian Bible. One merely omits Jesus christ's teachings, and the other merely considers him an amazing Prophet, who did enact miracles, but who was not the son of God. While I don't agree with them, BOTH religions are older than Christianity, so they most likely have more solid information of the older times. I'm not going to justify my actions, saying what you believe is wrong, I'm just saying that given my divine right of choice, I choose to think that Marriage is new to society, and if premarital sex is indeed a sin, then so many people of the world who don't have sex until married are going to hell, and so many people throughout history will be in hell. That's exactly what I say when I tell people I don't believe in the Bible. Of course then they mostly get all huffy like I've offended their life or something. I then point out that I never said I didn't believe in GOD, I said I didn't believe in the BIBLE. Big difference. And it's simply because, not only is translating an ancient dead language like Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek are incredibly hard; but several words we have in the English language aren't even in other languages; so when it comes to translation, people have to pick the original closest word to it. For example, The Coat of Many Colors, isn't actually a coat. Translators don't even know what it is, because the word in the Dead Sea Scrolls doesn't translate to any other existing word. The closest they guessed to was "coat" but for all we know it could have been a cloak, a tunic, a g-string, or a fairy. Another reason I don't believe in the Bible, is because, when you were in elementary school, you're teacher sat you and everybody else down in a circle, and starting with the person closest to her on the left, she whispered a sentence in your ear. You had to keep whsipering the sentence as you heard it in the person's ear to your left, and by the time it got back to the teacher it was an incredibly different sentence from what she said. She would have said "I had tomatoe soup for dinner last night." But when it got back to her the sentence would be "I dog coughed up a turtle at the funeral" It was to teach you not to gossip, but the same thing applies to this situation. Several hundred years worth of text is written in the Bible, and at some point along the way, something had to have been changed when being told and written. It's like people back in Green and Roman made up stories to explain certain events happening because they weren't as scientifically advanced and therefore didn't know that the Earth spun which made the sun "rise" and "Set" everyday; but instead they thought some great Sun God was the reason for it all. In any culture you go to, you'll find any diety that someone somewhere completely is convinced exists. That's why I've resigned myself to believe there is *a* God out there; but its probably not the God depicted in the Bible, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or mythology, or anything. Ahhh, Ok, I was unaware that The Dream Coat wasn't translated correctly. That's a bit of knowledge I'd like to see if my pastor knows, so far I haven't been able to stump him once with a question... He even answered my questions about Lucifer's decent from heaven. ( I use decent because I can't think of a word like cast that would have worked in that sentence. ) While I do still believe that for the most part the Bible is intact, seeing as it was written peice by peice over decades, the newer parts should be fairly intact, unless they were merely Oral history beforehand, and not divinely inspired like I'd love to believe. Also, the reason I said that is because it would honestly be hilarious. xD Seeing you stalking people with a baby strapped to your back, the baby is holding a pair of binoculars and has a grenade belt on. xD Do you guys mind me jumping in? I can prove the Bible is true. There is one specific way I know that has been proven in recent years.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:42 pm
I can't chime in on the bible talk because I really never read much of it myself. I probably should sometime to see if the things people say it says are really things that it says. Since all of the reasons I dislike christianity comes almost entirely from word of mouth.
However if all the different branches of christianity have anything to say about it, I'd say the bible has multiple interpretations, some of which contradict others.
For the record, Buddhism doesn't have a god Shira. This is a common misconception, but the buddha was simply an enlightened man like the Pope. The "god" of buddhism is the state of being called nirvana. I've probably put more effort studying the eastern religions (taoism, buddhism and a little tiny bit of hinduism) than western religions. So I felt like I'd chime in where I actually have something to say.
This discussion should it continue would be better placed in the debate forum. seriously it's there for exactly this kind of stuff. Not only would it allow other discussions to sprout in the ooc thread, but it would put the whole discussion in one place so that it may last longer/be easier to find.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:46 pm
Hikaro_rin I can't chime in on the bible talk because I really never read much of it myself. I probably should sometime to see if the things people say it says are really things that it says. Since all of the reasons I dislike christianity comes almost entirely from word of mouth. However if all the different branches of christianity have anything to say about it, I'd say the bible has multiple interpretations, some of which contradict others. For the record, Buddhism doesn't have a god Shira. This is a common misconception, but the buddha was simply an enlightened man like the Pope. The "god" of buddhism is the state of being called nirvana. I've probably put more effort studying the eastern religions (taoism, buddhism and a little tiny bit of hinduism) than western religions. So I felt like I'd chime in where I actually have something to say. This discussion should it continue would be better placed in the debate forum. seriously it's there for exactly this kind of stuff. Not only would it allow other discussions to sprout in the ooc thread, but it would put the whole discussion in one place so that it may last longer/be easier to find. Shira was the name of the god for the Buddhism that went on in the west. At least from the people I know who claim that as their religion.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:54 pm
I was talking to shira not referring to a god named shira.
edit: You may be getting confused with one of the many Hindu gods Shiva.
I may also be wrong, or half wrong or something, that does happen from time to time. However I am fairly certain I am not.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:55 pm
I was wondering why you had Shira and not Shiira.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
-X Duo Yiro X- *points up* there having a discussion about when sex is not a sin... ooooooh, I love conversations like this... Sex is never a sin....plain and simple. See, I don't believe in the whole God thing, too much evidence against it. and I'd actually like to hear how you can prove the bible is true...it intruiges me, as I have dozens of ways to disprove the things it says and point out many inconsitancies... ALSO! Note to all.....If anyone find what I say to be offensive, LET ME KNOW! I really like debates like this, but hate when people become overly offended....
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:43 pm
Well... Mt Siani has been located in the recent years (Like 2005 or something). No one really knew what the journey of the children of Israel looked like so they based their travels from the current Egyptian border. Giving a generic route to some 'holy' mountain that they make money off of. In the Bible it says the top of Mt Siani was burnt, but this generic one wasn't, more to come. I won't like to but I'll say that some versions have been rewritten, edited, added to, and taken away from. The most accurate version is the King James Version which documents their changes in Italics. Many people have their own convictions, that's just mine, and the basis on the finding of the real Mt. Siani.
So back to the proving. This is just one of the many stories. I'll try to keep it simple. Anyways, with recent technology and gealogical studies, it was proven that Egypt's borders where all the way to the Gulf of Aquba, not the Gulf of Suez, as it is now. I'm not going to get into specific chapter and verse, but the Bible says that Moses stretched his rod, by God's command, out over the see and the waters split, then they walked across dry land. Now in thee Gulf of Aquba there is a portion of that gulf that is elevated up above the rest, not in a straight line, but in a zig-zag fashion. It never said how the waters where split and if it where straight, nothing could be proven do the fact that it would be possible for the Israelite people to just walk straight through the gulf, but they didn't. They walked on dry land. That's one point.
And everyone knows the story of how Pharaoh chased after them in hopes to bring them back into their bondage and how their chariots broke in the middle of the gulf. Then how Moses repeated what he had done before he crossed, by command of God, and the sea closed up over the Egyptians. Now hear is where this gets good. Divers from the US dove on both sides of the elevated area and found chariots, weaponry, precious metals/stones, and of course bones. Pharaoh's crown has been pictured on several sites and things, but I don't really know how true it is when they say it remains where it is until this day (Not in the Bible), but for sure, their is a wheel that was taken from underwater, once again proving that the waters where split by some miracle (God), because how would their be men on both sides unless two opposite currents came in? Everyone knows that the current flows from the Red Sea until it reaches the Dead Sea.
Anyways the story continues on and on... But I believe these are two valid points for now.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:44 pm
Snuffins -X Duo Yiro X- *points up* there having a discussion about when sex is not a sin... ooooooh, I love conversations like this... Sex is never a sin....plain and simple. See, I don't believe in the whole God thing, too much evidence against it. and I'd actually like to hear how you can prove the bible is true...it intruiges me, as I have dozens of ways to disprove the things it says and point out many inconsitancies... ALSO! Note to all.....If anyone find what I say to be offensive, LET ME KNOW! I really like debates like this, but hate when people become overly offended.... If we're gonna have an "Is god real" argument, move it to the debate forum. That isn't a discussion for the chatroom.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:03 pm
Gregar828 Snuffins -X Duo Yiro X- *points up* there having a discussion about when sex is not a sin... ooooooh, I love conversations like this... Sex is never a sin....plain and simple. See, I don't believe in the whole God thing, too much evidence against it. and I'd actually like to hear how you can prove the bible is true...it intruiges me, as I have dozens of ways to disprove the things it says and point out many inconsitancies... ALSO! Note to all.....If anyone find what I say to be offensive, LET ME KNOW! I really like debates like this, but hate when people become overly offended.... If we're gonna have an "Is god real" argument, move it to the debate forum. That isn't a discussion for the chatroom. I don't plan on debating, I really hate doing stuff like that. I was asked to make a point and I did. If it goes further I'll say what I have to say and be done. And if I made it look like "if God is real" debate, sorry. I was trying for "Is the Bible Historically correct" type of thing.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:19 pm
-X Duo Yiro X- Hikaro_rin I can't chime in on the bible talk because I really never read much of it myself. I probably should sometime to see if the things people say it says are really things that it says. Since all of the reasons I dislike christianity comes almost entirely from word of mouth. However if all the different branches of christianity have anything to say about it, I'd say the bible has multiple interpretations, some of which contradict others. For the record, Buddhism doesn't have a god Shira. This is a common misconception, but the buddha was simply an enlightened man like the Pope. The "god" of buddhism is the state of being called nirvana. I've probably put more effort studying the eastern religions (taoism, buddhism and a little tiny bit of hinduism) than western religions. So I felt like I'd chime in where I actually have something to say. This discussion should it continue would be better placed in the debate forum. seriously it's there for exactly this kind of stuff. Not only would it allow other discussions to sprout in the ooc thread, but it would put the whole discussion in one place so that it may last longer/be easier to find. Shira was the name of the god for the Buddhism that went on in the west. At least from the people I know who claim that as their religion. THAT'S RIGHT! WORSHIP ME! scream
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