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Well..... if it is any assistance in understanding the age this takes place in.

The universe is estimated to be 13.7 something aeons old right now...

this takes place in the 15nth aeon....

so instead of

13,700,000,000

its about

15,000,000,000

There would have been moral issues at some point. But this is beyond that.

I mean countless empires have risen and fallen. technology has come and gone. Races have been wiped from existence. Others have risen. There is so much that could have gone on is such a huge time-frame. Morals are very quickly wiped out of the picture. Especially if it means people can be lazy and get what they want.....

I agree. I do think it is ******** up to build a child. Nevertheless it is going to happen eventually. And at first it will be a huge controversy... then everyone will eventually shrug and not care.

THE IDIOT SONG!!!!!! karla you know a way to my heart.....

Also, you make good points about the roleplay. I wholeheartedly agree with you, but i am a stubborn stupid b*****d and don't know how to incorporate what you said into the information present...

seriously.... churning all of that out in one night made my mind into mush.

The way i saw it would be they can construct new bodies pretty easily... and can have countless different qualities. From random-genetic pool bodies to Nanoflesh that enhances everything about you.....


and there will be bodypirates and legion(the demon) type folk......

Implants and the like are expensive...

Its like plastic surgery or a tattoo.... you can spend as much as you want for the highest quality stuff, or a guy living in the back of a van can do it for fifty bucks.....

well, even with if you can't with genetic engineering specifically.

by this time they won't even worry about it...

I mean even know we have nanomachines in experimental stages that can self reproduce and will be able to go into the body targeting specific molecules and destroy them.

We may by then have the ability to see these things. all because we can't now, doesn't mean that eventually we will.

One man's magic is another man's science....

And yes, it will be "my child must be pretty" "my child must have the muscles and bones of a star" "my child must be able to ******** any woman he wants when he gets older" so on and so forth. but it will not be seen as selfish. it will be seen as giving the child a good future anyway..... or a cruel one.... since it could go the other way.... "i want my child to be utterly normal....."

which in the future where everyone is perfection... normal may be the new beautiful....

It has nothing to do with bashing on you em. We just disagree with you. Your the one who chooses to take it personally.

You do know more about genetics than we do. I don't know s**t. But we are talking about the scientific abilitiy in a made up world billions of years in the future... where things might be different.

and don't delete your post. you can say whatever you want here, you know that. I am sorry that you feel like we get on you. It really is not the case. We just do not agree with what you are saying, and as you can say your opinion on everything on here, we can say ours as well.... And if you feel like we are ganging up on you we are not, we all just don't agree with what you are saying.

there are other times, like with the alchohol, that people do agree with you. You don't drink, stray doesn't drink, karla doesn't really drink, clock doesn't really drink.

We love you here, we really do. You are talented, you are smart, and you are devoted to your beliefs. In all of our years we will never find another Emily....

Dude, how about the plant that lives in the back of a space van smoking an astronaut......?

Whoa, where's this coming from? Are we really treating you like that at all?

If you feel so strongly then convince us all. It's not about YOU it's the argument. We're saying that it's so far into the future that literally anything is possible and you're saying 'that's not how genetics works'. Maybe that's not how it works now, but in fourteen billion years maybe they'll decide it works differently. Maybe the human body would have evolved fourteen stomachs and the human genome would be completely incomprehensible by our standards today. Maybe. That's what we're saying. Maybe.

And you're saying "No, stop that right this instant. Stop having fun!"

To be honest, we act the way we do, because when we are brutal in disagreeing with you, as i have been before, instead of continuing the argument, you ask why we make you feel insignificant and small and stupid. You ask why we treat you like a child. You suddenly start talking down about yourself and trying to make everyone feel bad. When in reality all you should do is present an idea that destroys ours, or admit your wrong.

I treat you differently, because i care about you. I don't want you to get depressed. I don't want you to be upset. I don't want you to hate me. I enjoy having someone here who actively argues with what i say. But I always feel like i am walking on eggshells with you because i don't know what argument will continue the discussion and what will upset you.

Every time we have argued i have tried to present my opinion as to why I disagree. You should know damn well that we don't care about your age. I was smarter than the ******** in this redneck town when i was your age, without a doubt your smarter than many of us. But you have still yet to present proper arguments to smash our opinions, and are brooding and feeling like everyone is against you.

if you want oppinions on things here you go.

Gods Can exist because we are ******** stupid and weak, and we don't know s**t

EVERYTHING COULD BE A DREAM. we don't think so, but we don't know because we are ******** stupid.

Everything could have been preconstructed, and a play button could have been pressed two seconds ago. that could be the age of the universe since all of our memories could just be already thought out ones. WE DON"T KNOW s**t. We think we do, but thats it. all we can trust is what we sense. all that we know is memories. Well, i remember having a certain very weird dream last night. the only reason i say it isn't real is because now i am awake and so that was obviously a dream. how do we know that we are not sleeping now? because we feel awake? well when you are dreaming you don't know you are dreaming, and when you do then if feels pretty damn different.

We don't know anything. "The universe was created when the big bang happened" ******** that. thats a theory. Just like 99% of science. all guesses. educated guess one what could be a whole fake ******** universe. All your loved ones, everyone you talk to, even worse yourself, could just so happen to not exist. Your thoughts the thoughts of a program. Made by some higher being. Only it is a science we don't understand. Like the ******** gods that rode in on the aztecs that were really just Spaniards.

NOTHINGNESS CANNOT EXIST. This is the basis of all things. Nothingness cannot exist. nothingness cannot exist. Just like teleportation and evaporating completely out of existence can't happen either right(oh ******** forgot about quantum physics) ... Okay, things can flash in and out of existence. And the universe is not a straight line, it waves and folds and creates wormholes(or does it since science could all be bullshit?) Nothing is certain, but nothingness doesn't exist.....

STOP!

Why can't nothingness exist? Simple, because it is nothing....

all the crusty old philosophers said it couldn't exist. science says "Well sure it can" Look there are vaccums in space. Places where there is no matter. Well, sadly that isn't nothing, that is a vacuum. That is a calculable occurrence. It is something. Nothing couldn't affect anything whatsoever. Nothing couldn't be recordable in time. nothing would have to be nothing and it can't exist. Since nothing cant exist there was never a beginning. In order for things to begin first there must be nothing. There was no beginning, there was no big bang. s**t has always been, and s**t will always be. In some form, even if it is just spacedust.

Now, one could say. "Jesse your full of s**t. I exist, because i am thinking and talking and doing." Sure you are. you can say that all you want. But we could make a robot who is programmed to believe it is thinking up all the stuff it is when in reality we told it how everything is going to go in it's head. it's thoughts and actions. The whole ******** universe could be programmed. And this brings the possiblity of destiny. With destiny we are ********. we are doomed. we have no purpose since it is all decided.

"wait jesse! i thought you believed in free will!" haha. ahahahahaha/ free will is an idea. A powerful one. I do fully belive in it, and deny destiny. But i am only human. I could be completely wrong. How could i possibly be pompous enough to say that i am right? oh wait i can't. Because I don't. I am a ******** fool. the guy who dances to the melted brain inside his skull. I could be making a complete a** of myself. I still await the day for someone to tell me. To reassure me that everything will be okay. That there are no gods. That I do have control over my life. Or that there are gods, and that i am in good hands. But we can't know. We are mortal. we are weak. we are driven by our desires, all wants and needs that lead to nothing. We work all our lives, to accumulate wealth. To accumulate s**t. For what? we don't take it with us when we die? Why don't we just kill ourselves? (oh wait, some of us have tried that). Well we don't kill ourselves because we realize that this is the only life we know we have, and that since nothingness can't exist (methinks) that means that we will always exist in some form(even if it is just in darkness without even our thoughts to guide us.) and this hell that is life is not so ******** bad. as a matter of fact it is beatiful

that the only thing that leads us us is the knowledge that there may be some people out there as scared as us and will listen and love us. And try to make us see their ways.

I respect all oppinions. but at the same time, complete denial and complete acceptance disgusts me. If someone could with indisputable logic defeat my arguements i would be so ******** happy it would hurt.

People argue (oh go read this philosopher.) or call me ******** stupid. Well ya know, that philosopher, as great as he may be, is also only human and could be ******** wrong. Hitler and hippies could both be philosophers, but they sure as s**t don't agree. No logic is unflawed. And calling my stupid is probably just the right monkier. I am probably a grand ******** idiot. But it doesn't make me feel any better.

You presume to much emily. You think we treat you like a child. We are all ******** children.

When you say

God doesn't exist. Oh man religion is ******** stupid i hate it. You know, i agree with your statements. I do think religion is evil. But you don't present a good alternative. Your not on a higher plain. We may be stupid and unsure, or even blind. But so are you. Atheism is evil. Through and through, the denial of all we don't understand. Its stupid and the atheist communists have killed millions.

Doesn't mean your stupid. I think Christianity is ******** stupid. But i don't think Christians themselves are.



Saying that i care about you. and don't want to piss you off. is not treating you like a child. I have always respected you for your opinions. I just sorely disagree. Never once have I tried to insult you. Even now, in this huge ******** rant of bullshit and i don't know what. I am not trying to insult you. I like you. But you have a huge stick in your a** that needs to be removed. Open up to other ideas, and maybe the verbal bashing wouldn't be so hard. Anyone, at any time can wreck everything i say. Stray is pretty damn good at wrecking what i say, he is smarter than me as far as i can tell and he isn't afraid to tell me i am full of it. Nobody here is. Just like we won't neglect to say when you are.

We could be wrong. You could think your getting picked on.... OR maybe your wrong. and are too stubborn to admit it....

Now, please emily. don't leave. Yell at me. Scream at me. Cut my ******** head off. I don't care. We like you. We value you. But at least respect us enough to know that we are not ******** age prejudiced. That we don't target you. that we just shoot s**t back and forth and that you shouldn't freak out when there is too much for you. Okay.

You want to be treated like an adult, don't take things so damn personal. You don't respect any of our oppinions. You constantly get every word you can in to bash religion. Well, some people here are religious. So they can bash you back. Can't handle it? don't bash stuff. You have to realize that we are a highly speculative and random group. That all because then pen is really blue, doesn't mean it can't be red. Especially to someone who is colorblind.

That gods can exist. Or not. and that we all probably have at least as low as self esteem as you, so yes, we are going to be defensive over our beliefs. We are going to defend what drives us. Just like you do.

If you don't want it to always feel one sided(which i must say you do a marvelous job at fighting) then find more people who share your beliefs and bring them.

Just don't bring in the strife okay. Kinda makes us feel like s**t, and makes me sketchy because i don't want to loose your friendship but don't know how to handle these ******** outbursts of self woe.

Just tell us what we need to do, and we will do our best to comply. okay? and do a jumpingjack... because i am a ******** and I would tell you to.