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 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:10 pm
Spiral Out Aiko_Kaida What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? There's nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, they usually teach that there are only negative consequences to teen sex, and that isn't always true, so it's unfair to say "if you have sex as a teen you will get pregnant and herpes and die, and then go to hell." Just about everything has both positive and negative consequences. Drugs have positive consequences. They may you feel good, they help you fit in with other kids who are doing drugs, etc. Stealing has positive consequences, you gain money and goods. We don't expect schools to talk about the positive consequences of drugs when they do drug education. I think it would be incredibly inappropriate for them to talk about the possible positive consequences of sex in the school setting. The negative consequences are what people need to be educated about. Obviously they shouldn't be exaggerated but they do need to be discussed. Sex can and does lead to deadly diseases. Even with the vaccine, there are still strains of HPV that can be contracted. The younger you are when you start having sex and the more partners you have, the higher your chances of contracting HPV. Kids need to know that.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:13 pm
S. Shark Aiko_Kaida Spiral Out Quote: List three possible emotional consequences of teen sex. Just remember also that consequences aren't always negative, there are such things as positive consequences. List positive consequences instead. What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? We aren't seriously going to start pretending that there aren't any consequences, are we? For one thing, abortions cost money. What are they, about $300, $400? That's a pretty big consequence if your 15 and don't have a job. At least the question asks you to list the consequences of teen sex and not premarital sex. I have nothing against school teaching that kids should wait until adulthood to have sex.
One, the major one, is that abstinence-only frequently uses the terms "teen sex" and "premarital sex" interchangably, when the reality is people are starting to wait into their early thirties to get married. That's a decade or so that kids are left hanging.
Two, the abstinence-only I personally was subjected to didn't mention jack about abortion. I mean nil. Nada. A passing pro-life "abortion kills babies crying " from the teacher and a black space for it under "Teen Pregnancy Options" that went without further comment as if no one would really consider it. Nearly the same with adoption, actually. It SHOULD be discussed, true. I worry, though, that it would just give the less honorable pro-lifers a soapbox on which to preach the evils of abortion to an audience required to listen to them... *sigh*
And you are so freakin' lucky. A vibrator at fourteen! xd I'm not defending abstinence only education. I think it's a load of bull. We should be teaching kids about ALL of their options. At the very least they need to talk about the other forms of birth control. But that education should still be teaching kids that they should abstain at least until adulthood. Just equip them with knowledge that they can use in case they choose not to.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:18 pm
The media isn't destroying America. Abstinence-only "sex-ed" is.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:19 pm
It's terrible that most sex ed programs are so uninformative. Mine was heavily pro-abstinance, but it did make some mention of birth control (but did no comment on the proper usage of such...).
It's horrible. Such programs fail, and they fail miserably! Sex ed programs need to teach truth. Truth about risks, how to diminish your chances of getting an SDT or becoming pregnant, gay and lesbian sex, masturbation, dispelling common myths, and all that jazz.
It makes me sad though, I've had to give the safe sex talk to both of my ex-girlfriends, as well as a lot of my bi/lesbian friends, since most of them subscribed to the myth that "STD's can't be transferred from one girl to another!".
Thankfully, my mother is a nurse and talked to me about using protection and whatnot. However, she did discourage me from 'Having sex in an uncomitted relationship', and because of that I'm still trying to muster up my courage and ask her about going to the gynocolgyst... I'm pretty sure she'll be understanding though...
When/if I ever have children I will teach them about safe sex, and tell them that sex is nothing to be ashamed of! I'll be sure to always be there for them if they need protection and whatnot.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:17 pm
Schools aren't helping by not informing kids about safe sex.
I like how schools are all 'Omg, stds and babies are BAD'
But instead of saying 'Omg, stds and babies are BAD, so here's what birth control is, because we all know that sex is only human and you're going to do it eventually'
They say 'Omg, stds and babies are BAD, so don't do it EVER, and you'll be just fine.'
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:44 pm
>_>; Like they REALLY think they can stop horny teenagers from having sex? That's like keeping drunk people from being stupid! ><' What the hell!
...They...don't ACTUALLY believe they can do that, right?
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:09 pm
It's not just teens, for some of them it's ANYBODY who's not married.
And they say that comprehensive sex-ed and access to birth control are degrading because it assuems that all teenagers are slaves to their hormones. It's like saying "Don't do what your biology, peers, and the media tell you, do what WE tell you!" I think it's more respectful to trust me to make my own decisions about my health, my body and my life than to assume I'm ignorant and need to be protected from reality.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:29 pm
You know what's REALLY ******** up? Well, last year I took Health. It was my sophomore year, and all that fun stuff. Well, it told about all sorts of different ways to protect yourself. Condoms, b.c., etc.
Well, I failed the last semester because of the final (had dates and crap up the wazoo).
So I'm retaking it this year, and guess what's happened since then? ABSTINENCE ONLY. Yep.
So naturally, I looked at the teacher and said, "wtf?" and she told me, basically, that our Senator thought the idea wasn't "Christian" enough.
So yeah. I hate West Virginia.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:56 pm
YamiYumes You know what's REALLY ******** up? Well, last year I took Health. It was my sophomore year, and all that fun stuff. Well, it told about all sorts of different ways to protect yourself. Condoms, b.c., etc. Well, I failed the last semester because of the final (had dates and crap up the wazoo). So I'm retaking it this year, and guess what's happened since then? ABSTINENCE ONLY. Yep. So naturally, I looked at the teacher and said, "wtf?" and she told me, basically, that our Senator thought the idea wasn't "Christian" enough.
So yeah. I hate West Virginia. Illegal reasoning. Establishment Clause.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:49 pm
Lord Setar YamiYumes You know what's REALLY ******** up? Well, last year I took Health. It was my sophomore year, and all that fun stuff. Well, it told about all sorts of different ways to protect yourself. Condoms, b.c., etc. Well, I failed the last semester because of the final (had dates and crap up the wazoo). So I'm retaking it this year, and guess what's happened since then? ABSTINENCE ONLY. Yep. So naturally, I looked at the teacher and said, "wtf?" and she told me, basically, that our Senator thought the idea wasn't "Christian" enough.
So yeah. I hate West Virginia. Illegal reasoning. Establishment Clause. I agree. If your parents agree with you, they can sue. OR if you're an 18 year old junior (like, if you started kindergarten late) you can sue on your own behalf. They're violating your Constitutional rights with that reasoning about the establishment of a religion. (Note: If they gave a non-religious BS reason, you couldn't use that same reasoning.)
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:00 am
RoseRose Lord Setar YamiYumes You know what's REALLY ******** up? Well, last year I took Health. It was my sophomore year, and all that fun stuff. Well, it told about all sorts of different ways to protect yourself. Condoms, b.c., etc. Well, I failed the last semester because of the final (had dates and crap up the wazoo). So I'm retaking it this year, and guess what's happened since then? ABSTINENCE ONLY. Yep. So naturally, I looked at the teacher and said, "wtf?" and she told me, basically, that our Senator thought the idea wasn't "Christian" enough.
So yeah. I hate West Virginia. Illegal reasoning. Establishment Clause. I agree. If your parents agree with you, they can sue. OR if you're an 18 year old junior (like, if you started kindergarten late) you can sue on your own behalf. They're violating your Constitutional rights with that reasoning about the establishment of a religion. (Note: If they gave a non-religious BS reason, you couldn't use that same reasoning.) Well, that would work...if my mother wasn't a major Christian freak. My dad won't because he already has to deal with enough bullshit from his job at the university...so I'll just wait till January rolls by, then sue. mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:36 am
YamiYumes RoseRose Lord Setar YamiYumes You know what's REALLY ******** up? Well, last year I took Health. It was my sophomore year, and all that fun stuff. Well, it told about all sorts of different ways to protect yourself. Condoms, b.c., etc. Well, I failed the last semester because of the final (had dates and crap up the wazoo). So I'm retaking it this year, and guess what's happened since then? ABSTINENCE ONLY. Yep. So naturally, I looked at the teacher and said, "wtf?" and she told me, basically, that our Senator thought the idea wasn't "Christian" enough.
So yeah. I hate West Virginia. Illegal reasoning. Establishment Clause. I agree. If your parents agree with you, they can sue. OR if you're an 18 year old junior (like, if you started kindergarten late) you can sue on your own behalf. They're violating your Constitutional rights with that reasoning about the establishment of a religion. (Note: If they gave a non-religious BS reason, you couldn't use that same reasoning.) Well, that would work...if my mother wasn't a major Christian freak. My dad won't because he already has to deal with enough bullshit from his job at the university...so I'll just wait till January rolls by, then sue. mrgreen Get in touch with the ACLU, they might be willing to help. And good luck. Seriously, if we take away the bullshit logic, and expose the unconstitutional reasoning, a REAL sex education might happen in schools, like my high school (yay for not getting enough federal funding to be affected by Bush's idiocy!)
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:16 am
Oh, gawd. I have the exact same thing. I brought it up to the teacher, and she admitted even she disagreed with it. :/
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:03 am
My health class didn't even mention sex at all. I paged through the textbook and found that it was all abstinence only info, though. Our teacher just didn't bring it up. We did cover a little unit about rape though. And it actually seemed pretty forward-thinking. It didn't blame the woman and they actually mentioned aquaintance rape. In fact, the whole "ZOMG If she didn't want to get raped she shouldn't have worn that skirt then!" argument was only brought up in the context of being total bullshit. So maybe he didn't bring up abstinence because he knew that it was total bullshit too, but he probably would've gotten in trouble for teaching anything else.
This was several years ago, but I can't see that much would have changed by now as far as comprehensive sex ed goes. I actually wouldn't be surprised if my home state (Texas) is one of the last places to jump on the bandwagon. I mean, people here are so proud of Bush that they named a highway after him. It's a toll road, though, which makes me think of a great slogan: You follow Bush and you pay. Always. lol
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