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Rokk Krinn

PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:05 pm


beadyone
mistressofthelost
I may be alone in this, but I believe you have to be baptized to be saved. It's 1:30 AM at the current moment, so I'm in no position to put up a good arguement, but I shall get back to you with verses and whatnot soon.
Then what about the thief on the cross next to Jesus? He wasn't baptized and Jesus said that he would be in paradise with Jesus that very day. If you have to be baptized, then you just said that Jesus lied to the thief, AND JESUS DOES NOT LIE.
That accured before Jesus death on the cross. Before Jesus died & was resurrected (spelling wrong I'm sure) sacrafice of animals was still being done. Jesus made the thief a promise on the cross that he would see Heaven. Once Jesus died & came back all old ways of salvation (animal sacrafice) was washed away. It was no longer needed. Even though the thief didn't make a blood sacrafice of an animal on his cross his own blood would of been there while proclaiming Jesus as Lord & Savior.

@mistressofthelost - I too believe in baptism. Now in the book of Acts Peter was given the new way of salvation (no more animal sarafice). Fully repent, be baptized, & be filled with the Holy Ghost. As christians this should not be looked upon as trying to do works to earn our way into Heaven. We aren't worthy of Heaven yet God wants us there. This is more of a commandment by him through Peter for the future christian church. To spread the word among all people. Once we know of God & what He did for us we should gladly follow His commandments. Now even today in the 21st century not all people know of Jesus. Will they go to Hell for not being baptized? I doubt it. I would more likely assume they would be judged upon how they lived their lives & what knowledge they had. Though this is just how I feel on that.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:17 pm


beadyone
mistressofthelost
I may be alone in this, but I believe you have to be baptized to be saved. It's 1:30 AM at the current moment, so I'm in no position to put up a good arguement, but I shall get back to you with verses and whatnot soon.
Then what about the thief on the cross next to Jesus? He wasn't baptized and Jesus said that he would be in paradise with Jesus that very day. If you have to be baptized, then you just said that Jesus lied to the thief, AND JESUS DOES NOT LIE.


*sigh* Why does this come up every time? When Jesus was on the cross, the Gosple was not completed (death, burial, and ressurection). Baptism is the representation of this (we are dead in sin, buried in water, and then start life anew). So. When the thief died on the cross, he was saved by Jesus, and he was saved BEFORE the "Christian age" was started and before the church was established.

vampy dave


Elenielle

Shameless Lunatic

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:18 pm


And what of John the Baptist himself? Who baptized him? And Judas. Did he go to Hell? How about Mary, Martha and Lazerus. And Mary Magdelane, and the samaritan woman at the well? She wasn't a Jew, so sacrificing wouldn't have been something for her to do. Yet Jesus told her of a new life. Was Paul baptized? And the Romans. They weren't Jewish. Did those were saved go to Hell also? The Centurian at the foot of the cross. I think it's safe to say he wasn't baptized.

Did you know that the word 'Christian' literally means 'to be of Christ'? It's not 'to be of water' or anything like that. Water is purely symbolism. It always has been. There is no where in the Bible where it says that you will not get into Heaven if you are not baptized in water. Yes, it says 'Repent and be baptized, every one of you'. But Paul doesn't say 'for if you don't, God won't accept you'. Paul wasn't dancing around the meaning. He's not kiding some cryptic message that, if you don't find it, you're going to burn forever in Hell. No. He clearly states what is wrong, and what is right. Baptism is good. Heck, I was baptised. I would say go for it; it's a good thing to do. But you are not going to Hell because you haven't been. There are no works that will get you into Heaven.

"Confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and you will be saved." "But whoever believes in Him will have eternal life." "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the father except through me."

Jesus would have said "and you must also be baptised in water." But He didn't.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:19 pm


Red_Ronin
beadyone
mistressofthelost
I may be alone in this, but I believe you have to be baptized to be saved. It's 1:30 AM at the current moment, so I'm in no position to put up a good arguement, but I shall get back to you with verses and whatnot soon.
Then what about the thief on the cross next to Jesus? He wasn't baptized and Jesus said that he would be in paradise with Jesus that very day. If you have to be baptized, then you just said that Jesus lied to the thief, AND JESUS DOES NOT LIE.
That accured before Jesus death on the cross. Before Jesus died & was resurrected (spelling wrong I'm sure) sacrafice of animals was still being done. Jesus made the thief a promise on the cross that he would see Heaven. Once Jesus died & came back all old ways of salvation (animal sacrafice) was washed away. It was no longer needed. Even though the thief didn't make a blood sacrafice of an animal on his cross his own blood would of been there while proclaiming Jesus as Lord & Savior.

@mistressofthelost - I too believe in baptism. Now in the book of Acts Peter was given the new way of salvation (no more animal sarafice). Fully repent, be baptized, & be filled with the Holy Ghost. As christians this should not be looked upon as trying to do works to earn our way into Heaven. We aren't worthy of Heaven yet God wants us there. This is more of a commandment by him through Peter for the future christian church. To spread the word among all people. Once we know of God & what He did for us we should gladly follow His commandments. Now even today in the 21st century not all people know of Jesus. Will they go to Hell for not being baptized? I doubt it. I would more likely assume they would be judged upon how they lived their lives & what knowledge they had. Though this is just how I feel on that.
WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES AN ANIMAL SACRIFICE HAVE TO DO WITH JESUS(GOD-INCARNATE) TELLING SOMEONE WHO CAME TO ACCEPT AND BELIEVE JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOUR WHILE THEY BOTH WERE ON THE CROSS THAT HE WOULD SEE HEAVEN THAT DAY????????????????????????????????????/

beadyone


Uriel Arnauld

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:23 am


beadyone
Red_Ronin
beadyone
mistressofthelost
I may be alone in this, but I believe you have to be baptized to be saved. It's 1:30 AM at the current moment, so I'm in no position to put up a good arguement, but I shall get back to you with verses and whatnot soon.
Then what about the thief on the cross next to Jesus? He wasn't baptized and Jesus said that he would be in paradise with Jesus that very day. If you have to be baptized, then you just said that Jesus lied to the thief, AND JESUS DOES NOT LIE.
That accured before Jesus death on the cross. Before Jesus died & was resurrected (spelling wrong I'm sure) sacrafice of animals was still being done. Jesus made the thief a promise on the cross that he would see Heaven. Once Jesus died & came back all old ways of salvation (animal sacrafice) was washed away. It was no longer needed. Even though the thief didn't make a blood sacrafice of an animal on his cross his own blood would of been there while proclaiming Jesus as Lord & Savior.

@mistressofthelost - I too believe in baptism. Now in the book of Acts Peter was given the new way of salvation (no more animal sarafice). Fully repent, be baptized, & be filled with the Holy Ghost. As christians this should not be looked upon as trying to do works to earn our way into Heaven. We aren't worthy of Heaven yet God wants us there. This is more of a commandment by him through Peter for the future christian church. To spread the word among all people. Once we know of God & what He did for us we should gladly follow His commandments. Now even today in the 21st century not all people know of Jesus. Will they go to Hell for not being baptized? I doubt it. I would more likely assume they would be judged upon how they lived their lives & what knowledge they had. Though this is just how I feel on that.
WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES AN ANIMAL SACRIFICE HAVE TO DO WITH JESUS(GOD-INCARNATE) TELLING SOMEONE WHO CAME TO ACCEPT AND BELIEVE JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOUR WHILE THEY BOTH WERE ON THE CROSS THAT HE WOULD SEE HEAVEN THAT DAY????????????????????????????????????/


And.. Iono.. The representaion of animal sacrifice was because that was before Christ (the Lamb) was sacrificed for our sins. So basically when people sacrificed animals, it was a representation of asking for forgiveness or something like that.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:38 pm


x_Hikari_x
But is he talking about physical or spiritual baptism? We pentecostals beleive in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which would make more sense (in my view) in the context of this verse.

Somehow I don't think that God would condemn someone who has accepted his Son and lived their life for Him, but was not baptized in water. God's not like that.

although i agree that he is not that way however,he is not like the 70's image of jesus (flowers and a total softy)
the bible says that jesus willl return in a robe covered in blood
to me-that's tough(so was the crucifiction)
(yes i know that you didnt say he was the "70's jesus" but i just wanted to say this)

The Dream Master


squishtastic psycho pop

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:40 pm


zeke34
Personaly i dont think you have to be baptized but to the person that said its stupid to baptize babies I say did the lord say "Go and make disciples of all nations of people over age ten baptizeing them in the name of the Father and of Son and of Holy Spirit?" NO he said "Go and make disciples of all nations baptizieng them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" it does not matter what age you are if your two or fourty two

I was taught that baptism is a choice made after you are saved and since babies cannot make the choice to be saved for themselves or be repentant, baptizing them is wrong.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:16 am


Okay:
1. If you're babtized when you're two then it's really a sign from your parents that they want to raise you with the Lord, [like a dedication].
2. A person doesn't have to be babtized with water to be babtized. ["For by one Spirit we were all babtized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit." - 1 Corinthians 12:13 ... this Spirit is the Lord Jesus Christ]
3. A physical babtism is a sign to the world that you're going to change your ways or continue in the ways of the Lord. It's something that one chooses to do when they come of the age of understanding and want to show God that they will leave their past without Him behind for good. [We dunk you in to the water and wait a couple seconds for the hurt, pain, betrayal, cluelessness, etc. to wash away and then lift you up as a new person.]

Reirani-san


Metanoeo

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:50 pm


Do are human works bring forth salvation and forgiveness? Never. We are counted as righteous before the Lord when we have faith in the Son and the Father. But then, does faith come when we choose so? Never. Rather faith is a gift from the merciful God, not the result of human will or work.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God." Ephesians 2:8
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:44 pm


The Dream Master
x_Hikari_x
But is he talking about physical or spiritual baptism? We pentecostals beleive in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which would make more sense (in my view) in the context of this verse.

Somehow I don't think that God would condemn someone who has accepted his Son and lived their life for Him, but was not baptized in water. God's not like that.

although i agree that he is not that way however,he is not like the 70's image of jesus (flowers and a total softy)
the bible says that jesus willl return in a robe covered in blood
to me-that's tough(so was the crucifiction)
(yes i know that you didnt say he was the "70's jesus" but i just wanted to say this)
Oh, don't worry, I am well aware of the fact ^^ I was not saying that God is not a warring God, but that He is just. The Bible says that if we accept Christ as the Son of God, he won't turn us away from heaven if we haven't been baptised in water.

But yes, God is a warrior. Revelation is all about how He's gonna kick the Devil's sorry butt, and the Devil ain't no pushover, so it's going to take a warrior God to defeat him.

Elenielle

Shameless Lunatic


snowblooms

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:56 pm


i have been baptized before on a hot hot day. it was cool biggrin
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:48 pm


ryoushinn
I'm confused. I have faith in God, i believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, but i'm confused. I read Acts 2:38. Does that mean you need to be baptised to be saved? neutral

Hi Ryoushinn,
you're asking us if you need to be baptised to be saved. Well, i think.. that if you have faith in God and you believe that Jesus died on the cross and you really want to live for Him you really should get baptised. Not because it's a garantee that you'll be saved, but just to listen to Gods wishes.
I got baptised a year ago, and it was so cool! It didn't mean that i never do anything wrong anymore, i will remain a sinner, but i'm convinced that God will forgive me every wrong thing that i did/i'll do because he loves me. Baptism is a testimony to all the people around you saying: "Look! I'm choosing to live for Him!".
I hope you understand this text, cause i find it hard to express my feelings in a language that isn't my own :p

//Imre

Zussje


sunshinehearttrob

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:58 pm


im almost positive one doesn't need to be baptised to be saved. it just simply pulls one closer to God. razz
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:13 pm


zeke34
Personaly i dont think you have to be baptized but to the person that said its stupid to baptize babies I say did the lord say "Go and make disciples of all nations of people over age ten baptizeing them in the name of the Father and of Son and of Holy Spirit?" NO he said "Go and make disciples of all nations baptizieng them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" it does not matter what age you are if your two or fourty two


I think that it is unreasonable to baptize infants because you dont know who they will grow up to be. By baptize, I mean the profession of faith. You are basicly making the statement for a helpless child. I dont think it should be done, myself. Thats just my opinion, though.
I dont think you need to be baptized to be saved either. It is a public declaration of your faith. You do need to watch the true reason about why you are baptized, though. I was baptized once so that I would remember that I was saved. I realize now that that was not a good thing to do. I've changed since then, and been disipled, but you need to keep an eye out for other reasons of doing things.
(In some churches, you get baptized/dedicated then confirmed. Thats different and ok. I know it as christening. I dont agree to the profession of faith baptizim at so young an age.)

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