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 Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:00 pm
AvenirLegacy grasscutter AvenirLegacy grasscutter AvenirLegacy grasscutter Well I'm 15 and studying concert and jazz band, weightlifting, AP European History, Honors Chemistry, Accel English 2, and Pre-Calculus....wait thsoe are just my classes...I'm mostly studying animal studies in my free time, tryijg ot get beyond the usual ape-human comparison and prove how alike we are ot other animals. Like what other animals? It changes, I'm trying to stick ot the more intelligent ones for now, because it's easier to make comparisons there. Obviously what it means ot be intelligent itself varies depending on how you perceive what intelligence means, but there are some general standards. Dogs are particulary appealing to me, more because of their emotions rather than their intelligence. Octopi are also fairly intelligent, though I haven't done very much research on them at all. It's hard for me to pick one species specifically, right now I'm being mroe general until I find a more specific basis of study. Are you going about this biologically, or just on how intelligent an animal is? Well more intelligence wise than actual similar anatomy to ours...like I said, I know there's different ways to measure intelligence, and us humans are probably going about finding out how intelligent other animals are completely the wrong way, but there must be some indication somewhere... How do you plan to go about this? And what is your actual goal? I'm not sure I understand it wahmbulance exclaim Well first I need to do the research. Pick a few different animals and learn as much as I can about them. I'm not talking about what a book titled Mammals and Birds says about a grizzly bear, I mean in-depth about their own psychology if you will. Later on in my life i would than go study them in the wild, they're natural habitat. And with whatever information I discover, or even old information, I plan to prove that animals do not have so much instinct as learneing (which can be logically assumed once you look at how many instincts a human has...not many...) And so convince the rest of the world (or at least the first world countries, since they're going the most enviromental damage..especially...the US xp ) that the enviroment and the other animals that live on it are important and not necessarily our equals (even if quite possibly they could be but few would buy into that) but fairly closer than we'd like ot eat, and thus we shouldn't treat them as bad as we do.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:01 pm
AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. Does our ability to analyze, understand and draw conclusions from information disturb you? ^^ As long as you don't flame you'll be find. Or else your liable to have a logic bomb dropped on you. No, jsut your general success in life and obvious lack of laziness. Or at least ability to overcome such laziness, which is almost more a feat anyway.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:05 pm
Lieutenant_Charon AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. Does our ability to analyze, understand and draw conclusions from information disturb you? ^^ As long as you don't flame you'll be find. Or else your liable to have a logic bomb dropped on you. No, jsut your general success in life and obvious lack of laziness. Or at least ability to overcome such laziness, which is almost more a feat anyway. lol Your still in High school, and I'm not that far off, its only my 2nd quarter. You got plenty of time, and so do most of us.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:06 pm
AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. Does our ability to analyze, understand and draw conclusions from information disturb you? ^^ As long as you don't flame you'll be find. Or else your liable to have a logic bomb dropped on you. No, jsut your general success in life and obvious lack of laziness. Or at least ability to overcome such laziness, which is almost more a feat anyway. lol Your still in High school, and I'm not that far off, its only my 2nd quarter. You got plenty of time, and so do most of us. Ah, but most of you probably didn't have a 1.2 GPA in senior year.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:21 pm
Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. What classes are you taking? And as for your GPA, if you took some classes at your local college you might be able to pull it up. It'd take a lit of work, and you'd have ot really try this year ot raise your grades, but it could be done...
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:24 pm
grasscutter Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. What classes are you taking? And as for your GPA, if you took some classes at your local college you might be able to pull it up. It'd take a lit of work, and you'd have ot really try this year ot raise your grades, but it could be done... That or, depending on your state's admission policies, a solid ACT or SAT score goes a long way. Having some AP credits on the 'ol resume' doesn't hurt either.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:33 pm
Lieutenant_Charon AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. Does our ability to analyze, understand and draw conclusions from information disturb you? ^^ As long as you don't flame you'll be find. Or else your liable to have a logic bomb dropped on you. No, jsut your general success in life and obvious lack of laziness. Or at least ability to overcome such laziness, which is almost more a feat anyway. lol Your still in High school, and I'm not that far off, its only my 2nd quarter. You got plenty of time, and so do most of us. Ah, but most of you probably didn't have a 1.2 GPA in senior year. I...umm....well damn. eek
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:39 pm
grasscutter Well first I need to do the research. Pick a few different animals and learn as much as I can about them. I'm not talking about what a book titled Mammals and Birds says about a grizzly bear, I mean in-depth about their own psychology if you will. Such as Social Structure and such? grasscutter Later on in my life i would than go study them in the wild, they're natural habitat. And with whatever information I discover, or even old information, I plan to prove that animals do not have so much instinct as learneing (which can be logically assumed once you look at how many instincts a human has...not many...) But a humans cranial mass is much more complex. It may or may not be physically bigger than other animals, but it's clearly more complex and defined. grasscutter And so convince the rest of the world (or at least the first world countries, since they're going the most enviromental damage..especially...the US xp ) that the enviroment and the other animals that live on it are important and not necessarily our equals (even if quite possibly they could be but few would buy into that) but fairly closer than we'd like ot eat, and thus we shouldn't treat them as bad as we do. But we know that an animals environment is important, just as or even more important than ours, sociologically and environmentally. We just ignore the fact and plow right through them anyway. I doubt showing an animals learning/cognitive abilities can come close to ours would promote a ponderous hand when it comes to dealing with animals
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:21 pm
AvenirLegacy grasscutter Well first I need to do the research. Pick a few different animals and learn as much as I can about them. I'm not talking about what a book titled Mammals and Birds says about a grizzly bear, I mean in-depth about their own psychology if you will. Such as Social Structure and such? grasscutter Later on in my life i would than go study them in the wild, they're natural habitat. And with whatever information I discover, or even old information, I plan to prove that animals do not have so much instinct as learneing (which can be logically assumed once you look at how many instincts a human has...not many...) But a humans cranial mass is much more complex. It may or may not be physically bigger than other animals, but it's clearly more complex and defined.' grasscutter And so convince the rest of the world (or at least the first world countries, since they're going the most enviromental damage..especially...the US xp ) that the enviroment and the other animals that live on it are important and not necessarily our equals (even if quite possibly they could be but few would buy into that) but fairly closer than we'd like ot eat, and thus we shouldn't treat them as bad as we do. But we know that an animals environment is important, just as or even more important than ours, sociologically and environmentally. We just ignore the fact and plow right through them anyway. I doubt showing an animals learning/cognitive abilities can come close to ours would promote a ponderous hand when it comes to dealing with animals Yes social structure, how each individual of a species acts, and how similar and different one is from the next. Yes I do know that, but perhaps there is some knowledge of animals we are missing. Our brain structure may be more complex, but we don't use the majority of our brain anyways (I believe it's about 12% but don't quote me on that...) And I just don't think we're giving animals enough credit. I could be wrong, but I'd justlike to explore more into it myself. Yeah I know which is why I also want to investigate consciousness and emotions of animals.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:57 pm
grasscutter Yes social structure, how each individual of a species acts, and how similar and different one is from the next. These should help, it seems the majority of the research has already been done. Animal Social ComplexityHarvard Researchgrasscutter Yes I do know that, but perhaps there is some knowledge of animals we are missing. Our brain structure may be more complex, but we don't use the majority of our brain anyways (I believe it's about 12% but don't quote me on that...) And I just don't think we're giving animals enough credit. I could be wrong, but I'd justlike to explore more into it myself. The 10% thing has been debunked. Proof against the 10% theory.Hmm, well I don't believe it's not that we don't give animals credit. It's just that noone really cares. Even if the cognitive abilities of an animal match or even surpass that of humans, they are still, physically, animals. Though they may posses a social structure, its mearly a simplified verson of Human society, with the plus that humans integrate economics into their society, whereas animals have no concept of the latter. If animals were to understand and ponder on Astrophysics, then we'd pay attention to the matter.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:11 pm
AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. Does our ability to analyze, understand and draw conclusions from information disturb you? ^^ As long as you don't flame you'll be find. Or else your liable to have a logic bomb dropped on you. No, jsut your general success in life and obvious lack of laziness. Or at least ability to overcome such laziness, which is almost more a feat anyway. lol Your still in High school, and I'm not that far off, its only my 2nd quarter. You got plenty of time, and so do most of us. Ah, but most of you probably didn't have a 1.2 GPA in senior year. I...umm....well damn. eek Exactly.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:16 pm
Lieutenant_Charon AvenirLegacy Lieutenant_Charon Ah, but most of you probably didn't have a 1.2 GPA in senior year. I...umm....well damn. eek Exactly. Without trying to insult or pry, but how the hell do you manage that? eek eek
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:50 am
But we're animals too. Just because we are called humans we're just another species of animals. And human society isn't necessarily the only form of society. When we personify other animals society we aren't looking at it in its proper light. And we shouldn't only pay attention to animals if they are investigating their world the exact same way we do ours...we don't choose not to care about someone who quit school at third grade adnw ent to work at a farm to support to their families, we shouldn't do that to an animal that has a different way of life than we do.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:37 am
Lieutenant_Charon I am also under 18, though not for much longer, and only in high school. Grasscutter, you're lucky your school offers such interesting courses, half my classes are rather boring. My passion is history and gaming, my mom is a published Fantasy/Sci-Fi author who writes under the name Kate Elliott. My dad has a Ph.D in Anthropolgy and works for the DoD finding MIA American soldiers in other couuntries. I actually inherited my passion for gaming from them, in comparison to their success, i'm so lazy I may fail high school. Wow, a lot of you make me feel, rather incompotent. Don't feel that, because you're not - you'll find your niche which can be challenging when both parental units are successful .... and shoot ... gaming is never going to die ... but ... xd it might go holographic!! Say, does your mom have tips on how to finally get published??
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:41 am
AvenirLegacy Geshia Cyn I'm 18. I'm only in my second semester of community college. I'm just taking the basics so far. I'm not sure what exactly I'm going to major in, but I know it will be something with graphic arts. sweatdrop See I can decide if I want to go into the film industry or video games. Heh. I'm not the brightest person about "all you knows it" kind of things. I get very intimidated about stating my opinions; A fear of being received as stupid. redface A hobby study of mind, that i like talking about maybe a bit too much is people. Psychology, Communication, and history. 4laugh It's so neat. When I took my speech 106 class, I thought it'd be an absolute bore, but it was the most interesting class. It helped me become more skilled in debating. I would say any of those choices are good for a career. Though since your in this guild I'd assume you hold a higher level of open mindedness and ability to debate. So I'd go with Video Games or Graphic Design/Art. Just because those careers, though can be limiting depending on your cliets, allow an artist to put their own spin on things, even in the most strict of assignments. Then again I look down the film industry as it seems a key tactic is to copy what the person making the most money does. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it seems creativity is limited. Independent films are beginning to take hold even more. This was a sad, sad year for the big studios and people are beginning to realize that many foreign films kick ours to the curb. I live in a city that hosts an international film festival and it's growing by leaps and bounds every year. The field is wide open right now.
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