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 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:43 pm
My point is that Celestials don't just stand around when there are more powerful creatures around. You keep clinging to this so called retcon, but the way I see it is that it was shown that he was never that strong to begin with.
Wait...so Beyonder himself said that his power was felt across the multiverse? Are you serious? Please tell me that it actually stated (out of dialouge) that he was destroying s**t in other universes. Have you never heard of posturing?
The idea of Reed doing anything to the Living Tribunal is just silly PIS. Ranks up there with Wolverine beating Lobo. LT is ABOVE any one universe. Beyonder is not. Beyonder would have to be in the 616 universe in order to fight the IG, thus the IG would have complete control of him as well. Thanos may suffer from CIS when it comes to Warlock. He also suffers from the whole "well I've beaten the crap out of everyone...what do I do now" CIS. But none of that would help Beyonder until after the fight.
As for that last section:
1. Makes perfect sense. Of course he could easily have control everything when he first got the IG. He just didn't want to. He could have easily made Death fall in love, but that's not how he wanted it. He wanted to have some fun with his supreme power. Just like when he dropped his power level to fight Earth's heroes. It was all just for fun. He didn't need the cosmic beings. That's why he didn't bother controlling them.
2. And yet he got hold of the Heart even when he was at normal power level. He used it just fine. If he had the IG, getting would just be extremely simple. That's the only difference.
3. I know the IG is not multiversal. But the Heart was never stated to have such limitations. And the idea of Celestials etc not being able to jump dimensions is silly.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:20 am
CosmicBeing My point is that Celestials don't just stand around when there are more powerful creatures around. You keep clinging to this so called retcon, but the way I see it is that it was shown that he was never that strong to begin with. Perhaps did you consider that the Beyonder was hiding his power from them until he attacked? Quote: Wait...so Beyonder himself said that his power was felt across the multiverse? Are you serious? Please tell me that it actually stated (out of dialouge) that he was destroying s**t in other universes. Have you never heard of posturing? No, it was stated that he would destroy the multiverse because he saw no point to it. Quote: The idea of Reed doing anything to the Living Tribunal is just silly PIS. Ranks up there with Wolverine beating Lobo. LT is ABOVE any one universe. Beyonder is not. Beyonder would have to be in the 616 universe in order to fight the IG, thus the IG would have complete control of him as well. Thanos may suffer from CIS when it comes to Warlock. He also suffers from the whole "well I've beaten the crap out of everyone...what do I do now" CIS. But none of that would help Beyonder until after the fight. So Reed affecting an LTMB is PIS, but Doom affecting the Beyonder is not? Sounds like bias on your part. Quote: 1. Makes perfect sense. Of course he could easily have control everything when he first got the IG. He just didn't want to. He could have easily made Death fall in love, but that's not how he wanted it. He wanted to have some fun with his supreme power. Just like when he dropped his power level to fight Earth's heroes. It was all just for fun. He didn't need the cosmic beings. That's why he didn't bother controlling them. Yet he had to actually exert himself in the battle, it was stated that he was playing around with the heroes who attacked him, no such thing was stated for the cosmic beings. In fact I clearly remember him saying that when the cosmic beings arrived he would have to use all the gauntlet's power to fight them. Not to mention that when Nebula got the gauntlet, she put up a worse fight than Thanos did against the cosmics (even though she still won) and she had no reason to hold back. Also Adam Warlock was part of the 616 universe, but he beat Thanos, so your theory is shot down. Quote: And yet he got hold of the Heart even when he was at normal power level. He used it just fine. If he had the IG, getting would just be extremely simple. That's the only difference. Obviously the HOTU didn't exist in the 616 reality then. Honestly, this is such a flimsy argument, because it was directly stated by Thanos that the HOTU was stronger than the IG. You could just as easily say that when he had the Cosmic Cube he should have easily gotten hold of the IG or HOTU. Does that mean the Cosmic Cube is stronger than they are? Quote: 3. I know the IG is not multiversal. But the Heart was never stated to have such limitations. And the idea of Celestials etc not being able to jump dimensions is silly. What does this have to do with anything?
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:58 am
Quote: Perhaps did you consider that the Beyonder was hiding his power from them until he attacked? You don't hide your power from a Celestial. This isn't DBZ. Quote: No, it was stated that he would destroy the multiverse because he saw no point to it. That's exactly what I'm saying. He said he was going to destroy the Multiverse because he saw no point to it. HE said it. Doesn't mean he has any hope of doing it. That's like Aunt May saying she's going to beat up Thanos. Quote: So Reed affecting an LTMB is PIS, but Doom affecting the Beyonder is not? Sounds like bias on your part. Not biased. Of course Doom stealing Beyonders powers is PIS. It was to advance the plot. So is half the things you've claimed the Beyonder has done. But you want this to be a discussion about the "pre-retcon" Beyonder. So we either accept thatoccurance to be plausable, or we go for the regular version of the Beyonder where the cosmic entities laughed at him a threw the fight so he wouldn't cry and accept that to be plausable. Your choice. Quote: Yet he had to actually exert himself in the battle, it was stated that he was playing around with the heroes who attacked him, no such thing was stated for the cosmic beings. In fact I clearly remember him saying that when the cosmic beings arrived he would have to use all the gauntlet's power to fight them. Not to mention that when Nebula got the gauntlet, she put up a worse fight than Thanos did against the cosmics (even though she still won) and she had no reason to hold back. Also Adam Warlock was part of the 616 universe, but he beat Thanos, so your theory is shot down. Umm...nope. When Lord Chaos told him to give up the gems Thanos said "...You address omnipotence. Tread carefully." And "Begone, foolish godlings, or suffer my celestial wrath". It was Mephesto that said he'd have to use his full power, but then if he understood the IG's power he'd have stuck by Thanos's side for his own good because that's what he does. They blasted him with everything they had and still the only thing that gave him pause was when Death turned on him and he got sad. That's it. He toyed with everyone except Eternity. And even then that fight didn't take long. And Adam Warlock got in the soul gem and did his stuff when Nebula was wearing it and Thanos was fully aware of what was going on and was rooting for him. Nebula wasn't nearly intelligent enough or skilled enough at having that kind of power to be able to control it well. But even then she slapped the host of cosmic entities around like ragdolls. Thus proving my point all the more. -She was an unexperienced user of the IG, -recovering from the horrible mental state of her living zombie stage, -she slapped the cosmic royalty around like spoiled children (2 pages), -even after they've practice at fighting the IG and have devised a better plan that didn't even let her mind use the IG's full power Quote: Obviously the HOTU didn't exist in the 616 reality then. Honestly, this is such a flimsy argument, because it was directly stated by Thanos that the HOTU was stronger than the IG. You could just as easily say that when he had the Cosmic Cube he should have easily gotten hold of the IG or HOTU. Does that mean the Cosmic Cube is stronger than they are? True the HOTU wasn't around in Marvel (the company). Just like the IG wasn't around when he was toting the CC. But I ask you what that has to do with this discussion? Nothing about that is flimsy. If Thanos had the IG, and he knew he was going to be fighting a fully powered Beyonder and (for some ungodly unknown reason) didn't know if he was going to win, what would he do? Well seeing as how he's MO is go after great sources of power, and he already knows about the HOTU.....why do you think he wouldn't take it? Quote: What does this have to do with anything? Just pointing out that Thanos with the IG and a lust for greater power would/could have ample ways of gaining it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:09 am
Quote: You don't hide your power from a Celestial. This isn't DBZ. Beyonder could, since he was clearly more powerful than the Celestials. Quote: That's exactly what I'm saying. He said he was going to destroy the Multiverse because he saw no point to it. HE said it. Doesn't mean he has any hope of doing it. That's like Aunt May saying she's going to beat up Thanos. Everyone, even the cosmics, seemed to take the threat seriously. Quote: Not biased. Of course Doom stealing Beyonders powers is PIS. It was to advance the plot. So is half the things you've claimed the Beyonder has done. But you want this to be a discussion about the "pre-retcon" Beyonder. So we either accept thatoccurance to be plausable, or we go for the regular version of the Beyonder where the cosmic entities laughed at him a threw the fight so he wouldn't cry and accept that to be plausable. Your choice. Well Last Planet Standing is canon, so if we're arguing about the powers of cosmic entities, you simply can't dismiss it. Quote: Umm...nope. When Lord Chaos told him to give up the gems Thanos said "...You address omnipotence. Tread carefully." And "Begone, foolish godlings, or suffer my celestial wrath". It was Mephesto that said he'd have to use his full power, but then if he understood the IG's power he'd have stuck by Thanos's side for his own good because that's what he does. They blasted him with everything they had and still the only thing that gave him pause was when Death turned on him and he got sad. That's it. He toyed with everyone except Eternity. And even then that fight didn't take long. Then what about the time when he was shown being distorted by Kronos' time attacks? Or when his mind and soul were shown to be affected by Master Order and Lord Chaos, and Mistress Love and Sire Hate? Each cosmic had their own turn to attack, and they all got a panel or two devoted to showing their attacks affecting Thanos before he beat them. Quote: And Adam Warlock got in the soul gem and did his stuff when Nebula was wearing it and Thanos was fully aware of what was going on and was rooting for him. Nebula wasn't nearly intelligent enough or skilled enough at having that kind of power to be able to control it well. But even then she slapped the host of cosmic entities around like ragdolls. Thus proving my point all the more. -She was an unexperienced user of the IG, -recovering from the horrible mental state of her living zombie stage, -she slapped the cosmic royalty around like spoiled children (2 pages), -even after they've practice at fighting the IG and have devised a better plan that didn't even let her mind use the IG's full power However if you were right, she would not be inexperienced, and in fact know everything in the universe, since she would control everything in the universe. So that means you just proved yourself wrong. Quote: True the HOTU wasn't around in Marvel (the company). Just like the IG wasn't around when he was toting the CC. But I ask you what that has to do with this discussion? Nothing about that is flimsy. If Thanos had the IG, and he knew he was going to be fighting a fully powered Beyonder and (for some ungodly unknown reason) didn't know if he was going to win, what would he do? Well seeing as how he's MO is go after great sources of power, and he already knows about the HOTU.....why do you think he wouldn't take it? Because this is Thanos w/IG vs. Beyonder, not Thanos w/HOTU vs. Beyonder. Not to mention the HOTU was erased/destroyed at the end of The EndQuote: Just pointing out that Thanos with the IG and a lust for greater power would/could have ample ways of gaining it. Seems to me like you're admitting that Thanos w/IG loses to Beyonder, and trying to change the match into Thanos w/HOTU vs. Beyonder. Oh, BTW, here are some scans that reinforce my points. According to you, all the 616 cosmic entities, including Death, should be completely under Thanos' control. However, in this scan we can clearly see that Thanos, while he had the IG, attacks Eros, but Death saves him, resisting Thanos' power. http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deathsurvivesig2xf.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deathsurvuvesig22ul.jpgAnd here is a scan validating my Cosmic Cube argument, according to this Thanos was everything in the universe (including the Infinity Gems) so then why didn't he take the Gauntlet's power then? http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosmiccubemakesyougod5st.jpgOh, and here's a nice Beyonder feat (also a good explanation for why Doom had such a good showing in Secret Wars) http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolovertimelife15b.jpghttp://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolstime21cu.jpgAlso here is Thanos with the HOTU killing a Celestial in one shot, much better than he did against them when he had the IG (he merely repelled their attacks and incapacitated them, not killed them easily). http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thoublowscelestial7cn.jpgMore Beyonder scans. Here Reed Richards calls the Beyonder "The Living Embodiment of Supreme power," despite the fact that he has encountered entities such as the Living Tribunal. http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisthelivingsupreme4cq.jpgHere we see that Maelstrom is able to resist the effects of the IG to some extent. Thanos sure wasn't in control of him. http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=q10ua.jpghttp://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=q25sl.jpgHere Eternity states that his totality (the Multi - Eternity) would be immune to the effects of the IG. http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=multieternityaboveig2xp.jpgHere Death is able to resist the effects of the IG: http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig00230xu.jpgHere is a page from the handbook (look in the black box) explaining that the Infinity Gems get their power from the Big Bang, which is an event that oly spans one universe. http://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookofthemar.jpgHere Death considers the Phoenix Force to be more dangerous than the IG. http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7508345098.jpg&s=x11http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7508374934.jpg&s=x11Doctor Strange resists the power of the IG. http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig10bk.jpghttp://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig22xt.jpghttp://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig39sd.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig41up.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig58iz.jpghttp://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ig67se.jpg
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:10 pm
Quote: Beyonder could, since he was clearly more powerful than the Celestials. Oh please. Beyonder never had that amount of control over his powers in order to hide his powers from a Celestial. They clearly didn't think him a real threat. Quote: Everyone, even the cosmics, seemed to take the threat seriously. Seemed. Quote: Well Last Planet Standing is canon, so if we're arguing about the powers of cosmic entities, you simply can't dismiss it. *snicker* Umm...it may be canon in the M2 universe, but not in 616. While we're at it, you want to discuss Ultimate Galactus's power levels? Quote: Then what about the time when he was shown being distorted by Kronos' time attacks? Or when his mind and soul were shown to be affected by Master Order and Lord Chaos, and Mistress Love and Sire Hate? Each cosmic had their own turn to attack, and they all got a panel or two devoted to showing their attacks affecting Thanos before he beat them. He was playing with them (plus the writer needed to prolong the fight for entertainment value). He'd never gotten to have such a monumentous fight before, so let them all have a turn. Not like any of it actually did anything to him. Quote: However if you were right, she would not be inexperienced, and in fact know everything in the universe, since she would control everything in the universe. So that means you just proved yourself wrong. Hardly. She obviously didn't didn't delve into rewriting her own mind. Neither did Thanos (although I'm sure he would've later). Nebula didn't give herself a chance to let her mind wrap around omnipotence. She held on to her own mind/personality and with it came her anger and impetuousness. Quote: Because this is Thanos w/IG vs. Beyonder, not Thanos w/HOTU vs. Beyonder. Seems to me like you're admitting that Thanos w/IG loses to Beyonder, and trying to change the match into Thanos w/HOTU vs. Beyonder. Not to mention the HOTU was erased/destroyed at the end of The End He would never actually need the HOTU. I'm just pointing out that if they fought, that's a likely outcome if he was feeling like going overboard. And don't bother bringing up "current" events unless you want the "current" Beyonder (the wussy Maker chick that Thanos beat on his own and is currently dead). Quote: According to you, all the 616 cosmic entities, including Death, should be completely under Thanos' control. You were ignoring what I said earlier. Thanos loved Death. That's why he went about collecting the gems to begin with. He flat out said that he didn't want to MAKE her love him, he wanted to earn it. He could've but he never ever wanted to. As for the rest of them...you miss my point again. He could have controlled them, but he didn't want to. They refused to bow to his power of their own free will, so he beat them down. Quote: However, in this scan we can clearly see that Thanos, while he had the IG, attacks Eros, but Death saves him, resisting Thanos' power. He wasn't attacking Eros. In fact that page doesn't really show if it was his attack or that of the cosmic royalty's first attack. If he wanted her dead, she'd be dead. She flat out said that when he first got the IG. Quote: And here is a scan validating my Cosmic Cube argument, according to this Thanos was everything in the universe (including the Infinity Gems) so then why didn't he take the Gauntlet's power then? What the hell are you talking about? Because Marvel hadn't created the IG yet perhaps? neutral That's like asking why Spiderman didn't go to Sentry for help during Maximum Carnage. Quote: Oh, and here's a nice Beyonder feat (also a good explanation for why Doom had such a good showing in Secret Wars) How exactly does that show why Doom did well? He had no memories of it. Plus for a guy that doesn't like retcons, you have no problem bringing them up. Quote: Also here is Thanos with the HOTU killing a Celestial in one shot, much better than he did against them when he had the IG (he merely repelled their attacks and incapacitated them, not killed them easily). That's pretty much along the line of what he did with the IG. You keep saying he did "much better" than when he had the IG. Have you even read that recently? He slapped them around for fun by beating them at their own games. He BEAT ETERNITY! Killing a Celestial would take as much effort as yawning. Quote: Here Reed Richards calls the Beyonder "The Living Embodiment of Supreme power," despite the fact that he has encountered entities such as the Living Tribunal. And Ironman is known as the "Invincible" Ironman despite the fact that's he's not actually invincible. It's called poetic license. Quote: Here we see that Maelstrom is able to resist the effects of the IG to some extent. Thanos sure wasn't in control of him. Once again Thanos wouldn't have wanted to control him. Why bother? Quote: Here Death is able to resist the effects of the IG: No here we see her blasting him to no affect. The only thing that slowed him down was the emotional pain of Death betraying him. Quote: Here is a page from the handbook (look in the black box) explaining that the Infinity Gems get their power from the Big Bang, which is an event that oly spans one universe. You just pinned an entire scan on a statement that says "allegedly". Good job. Quote: Here Death considers the Phoenix Force to be more dangerous than the IG Not more dangerous. The PF has always been destined to end the known universe and they know it. The natural end of the universe will be the Pheonix. As for the cosmic royalty being more afraid of human advancement than Thanos with the IG is laughably horrible writing and you know it. Quote: Doctor Strange resists the power of the IG. If Warlock had really wanted him dead he could've just wiped him from exsistance. But Adam is not a bad person, so he didn't. You'll notice that he did plenty to try and make Strange just go away. Seems to me that Warlock was just suffering from internal struggles.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:41 pm
CosmicBeing Oh please. Beyonder never had that amount of control over his powers in order to hide his powers from a Celestial. They clearly didn't think him a real threat. Then how come he beat them? And why shouldn't we trust them? Remember, we're ignoring the retcon. Quote: *snicker* Umm...it may be canon in the M2 universe, but not in 616. While we're at it, you want to discuss Ultimate Galactus's power levels? All appearances of the Living Tribunal are canon for 616, since there is only one Living Tribunal in the multiverse, and he oversees all of it. So even if it's a What If, if the LT's in it, his appearance counts as canon. Quote: He was playing with them (plus the writer needed to prolong the fight for entertainment value). He'd never gotten to have such a monumentous fight before, so let them all have a turn. Not like any of it actually did anything to him. Proof? He said he was playing around with the heroes that attacked him, but he got much more serious when the cosmics came into the fray. Quote: Hardly. She obviously didn't didn't delve into rewriting her own mind. Neither did Thanos (although I'm sure he would've later). Nebula didn't give herself a chance to let her mind wrap around omnipotence. She held on to her own mind/personality and with it came her anger and impetuousness. But with the Time Gem, they controlled all time, so they could easily have turned 1 second into a billion years to improve themselves any way they wished and then returned to a previous time. If your theory is right, then getting the IG should equal instant control, no experience needed. Yet that was directly contradicted by Thanos' words. Quote: He would never actually need the HOTU. I'm just pointing out that if they fought, that's a likely outcome if he was feeling like going overboard. And don't bother bringing up "current" events unless you want the "current" Beyonder (the wussy Maker chick that Thanos beat on his own and is currently dead). It's generally assumed that unless prep - time is specified, going around and collecting other powerups to help in the fight isn't allowed. However, if you want to play that way, who's to say that the Beyonder couldn't grab the HOTU first? After all, Beyonder did, at one point, take control of all matter and energy in the universe. Quote: You were ignoring what I said earlier. Thanos loved Death. That's why he went about collecting the gems to begin with. He flat out said that he didn't want to MAKE her love him, he wanted to earn it. He could've but he never ever wanted to. As for the rest of them...you miss my point again. He could have controlled them, but he didn't want to. They refused to bow to his power of their own free will, so he beat them down. And your proof for this is....? I could just as easily say that the Beyonder could have killed The One Above All, but just didn't want to. Quote: He wasn't attacking Eros. In fact that page doesn't really show if it was his attack or that of the cosmic royalty's first attack. If he wanted her dead, she'd be dead. She flat out said that when he first got the IG. Yeah, he said it, as opposed to the Beyonder, who actually did it.... General hint: Actually doing something > Saying you can do it. Quote: What the hell are you talking about? Because Marvel hadn't created the IG yet perhaps? neutral That's like asking why Spiderman didn't go to Sentry for help during Maximum Carnage. And Marvel hadn't created the HOTU either when IG was released, so if we play it that way, Thanos couldn't have grabbed the HOTU for this battle either. However, the Infinity Gems are supposedly as old as time, and they still existed somewhere in the Marvel Universe (according to the official chronology) at the point when Thanos gained the Cosmic Cube. So take your pick: Either CC thanos could not become IG or HOTU Thanos at will, and IG Thanos could not become HOTU Thanos at will, or they all could, but never did, so they won't. Quote: How exactly does that show why Doom did well? He had no memories of it. Plus for a guy that doesn't like retcons, you have no problem bringing them up. That Doom was from the future with more knowledge. And I wasn't talking about every retcon, just the specific retcon that made the Beyonder weaker. Quote: That's pretty much along the line of what he did with the IG. You keep saying he did "much better" than when he had the IG. Have you even read that recently? He slapped them around for fun by beating them at their own games. He BEAT ETERNITY! Killing a Celestial would take as much effort as yawning. Eternity put up a fight against IG Thanos, HOTU Thanos crushed him in the palm of his hand. Oh, and to amend my previous statement: Actually doing something > Saying you can do it > Some random person who is just a fan and doesn't even write the comics saying you could probably do it. Quote: And Ironman is known as the "Invincible" Ironman despite the fact that's he's not actually invincible. It's called poetic license. The fact that such an intelligent man as Reed recognizes him like that says something. Quote: Once again Thanos wouldn't have wanted to control him. Why bother? Did you even read the scan? Maelstrom approached, challenged Thanos, Thanos attacked him with the gauntlet, and it didn't even hurt him. Then he left. The IG is not as powerful as you make it out to be. Quote: neutral No here we see her blasting him to no affect. The only thing that slowed him down was the emotional pain of Death betraying him. Sure looks to me like she deflected his attack. The attack wasn't even aimed at her, it was aimed at Mephisto, there was certainly no 'emotional pain' stopping him from attacking Mephisto. Quote: You just pinned an entire scan on a statement that says "allegedly". Good job. It's sure better than what you have: Nada. Zip. Zilch. ZERO. Quote: Not more dangerous. The PF has always been destined to end the known universe and they know it. The natural end of the universe will be the Pheonix. As for the cosmic royalty being more afraid of human advancement than Thanos with the IG is laughably horrible writing and you know it. Sure, blame everything that contradicts your opinion on bad writing. If you are always right about everything, even if the comic itself says differently, why don't they hire you to write the stuff? Quote: If Warlock had really wanted him dead he could've just wiped him from exsistance. But Adam is not a bad person, so he didn't. You'll notice that he did plenty to try and make Strange just go away. Seems to me that Warlock was just suffering from internal struggles. More excuses. Strange resisted him, and you know it. As for Warlock 'not being a bad person', the Living Tribunal sure didn't think so. At least not if you consider Thanos to be a 'bad person'. Face it: Your claims that the IG allows the wielder instant and complete control over all facets and entities in the 616 universe has been proven to be bunk, you have no evidence to back this up, and when faced with multiple scans that disprove your argument, you are forced to make flimsy excuses.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:46 pm
Quote: Proof? He said he was playing around with the heroes that attacked him, but he got much more serious when the cosmics came into the fray. And what is your proof that he had to strain himself? After rereading the fight, Thanos took no injury despite allowing them to attack him at their leasure. Quote: But with the Time Gem, they controlled all time, so they could easily have turned 1 second into a billion years to improve themselves any way they wished and then returned to a previous time. If your theory is right, then getting the IG should equal instant control, no experience needed. Yet that was directly contradicted by Thanos' words. Sure she could've. But Nebula isn't the type to let her vengance wait for something like that. Most users of the IG choose not to go with the full blown omnipotence of the mind since they'd lose themselves in it as well. Not that Beyonder is any better. Seems to me I remember him laying on a couch complaining about the multiverse and trying to figure out what he wanted to do with himself. Oh he's choked full of CIS too. Quote: And your proof for this is....? Quote: Yeah, he said it, as opposed to the Beyonder, who actually did it.... General hint: Actually doing something > Saying you can do it. (Right after he got the IG) -Death's lackey speaking for her -"My mistress wishes, with all due respect, to point out that with your newly acquired power, you are NOT her equal. You are her superior. In all ways, you are many stations ABOVE her. She is but a thread in the fabric that is yourself" -Thanos thinking to himself after killing said lackey -"I could force her to speak directly to me. I have the power to bend even her to my will. But what good would that do? That's not the way I wanted it to be. I desire her love, not her blind subservience." Oh and don't get too happy about him killing Death. From what I know he charged up the guantlet and gave it to her. He then told his friend that the cup had a huge chunk of his power and he wouldn't have the power to bring her back. She then (being the only one holding the cup) drank it. Thus she fully agreed to it. Quote: And Marvel hadn't created the HOTU either when IG was released, so if we play it that way, Thanos couldn't have grabbed the HOTU for this battle either. However, the Infinity Gems are supposedly as old as time, and they still existed somewhere in the Marvel Universe (according to the official chronology) at the point when Thanos gained the Cosmic Cube. So take your pick: Either CC thanos could not become IG or HOTU Thanos at will, and IG Thanos could not become HOTU Thanos at will, or they all could, but never did, so they won't. Barring the company, Thanos sure as hell could've gotten the IG with the CC or the HOTU with the IG. What is your proof that he couldn't? Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. What could stop him? And the Heart was around when he had the IG in there universe. But seeing as how the writers didn't come up with it till much later, that's why we don't see Thanos getting it. Understand that concept? Quote: That Doom was from the future with more knowledge. So you're saying that a slightly more advanced Doom (still with the old school armor) could steal his power. But The INFINITY GAUNTLET could not? lol Quote: Eternity put up a fight against IG Thanos, HOTU Thanos crushed him in the palm of his hand. Oh, and to amend my previous statement: Ya and that fight took all of one page. Not much of a difference. Quote: The fact that such an intelligent man as Reed recognizes him like that says something. It says that Reed is a mortal human who like most humans would throw out poetic/cliche lines in the face of someone so powerful. Quote: The IG is not as powerful as you make it out to be. And Beyonder said "oww" when Molecule man hit him with a mid level blast and was punched into the ground by the Hulk for a few moments. Beyonder is not as powerful as you make him out to be. Quote: Sure looks to me like she deflected his attack. The attack wasn't even aimed at her, it was aimed at Mephisto, there was certainly no 'emotional pain' stopping him from attacking Mephisto. Are we even looking at the same scan? What's happening in that picture is: Thanos has Mephesto by the throat and is threatening him. Death blasts the area from the side with her black beam of energy to separate the two. He then says "You too betray me?" The next page shows the cosmic royalty (all of them) hitting him with everything they have as he has his emotional outburst about Death. Then he smiles and takes the cosmics and puts them up like trophies. You don't even know whats going on in those scans? Quote: It's sure better than what you have: Nada. Zip. Zilch. ZERO. That's funny since you've given me no reason as to how he could beat Thanos with the IG. You've stated that he beat up the Cosmics. So? So did Thanos. Quote: Sure, blame everything that contradicts your opinion on bad writing. If you are always right about everything, even if the comic itself says differently, why don't they hire you to write the stuff? You think they should hire me too huh? wink I don't think that everything that contradics my opinion to be bad writing. I think writing that contradics logic is bad writing. Quote: Face it: Your claims that the IG allows the wielder instant and complete control over all facets and entities in the 616 universe has been proven to be bunk, you have no evidence to back this up, and when faced with multiple scans that disprove your argument, you are forced to make flimsy excuses. Ha. Your scans prove nothing especially since you don't even know what's going on in some of them. Sorry but you've given no real reasons as to how/why he'd win. Even with your precious pre-retcon he'd still lose. Doom's dinky armor stole the power. Thus Thanos could do it more easily. Not to mention he could use his mind or soul gem to affect the obviously weak minded and naive Beyonder. He could trick him into wanting to be mortal again (he tricked the Elders of the Universe for crying out loud. The childlike Beyonder wouldn't be hard). He could also create a machine like the one that the Beyonder made and suck him into it thus making him powerless. Beyonders powers are transferred from one thing to another so often and easily that Thanos would soon own it all. This discussion is pretty moot.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:33 pm
CosmicBeing And what is your proof that he had to strain himself? After rereading the fight, Thanos took no injury despite allowing them to attack him at their leasure. Of course he took no lasting injury! No injury is lasting or permanent when you have the IG. "Anything I can do, I can instantly undo," remember? That doesn't mean he wasn't hurt at all. He was certainly inconvenienced and slowed down (which never happened to the Beyonder when he fought the cosmics). Quote: Sure she could've. But Nebula isn't the type to let her vengance wait for something like that. Most users of the IG choose not to go with the full blown omnipotence of the mind since they'd lose themselves in it as well. Not that Beyonder is any better. Seems to me I remember him laying on a couch complaining about the multiverse and trying to figure out what he wanted to do with himself. Oh he's choked full of CIS too. Beyonder started off by becoming a small - time criminal, then took over Kingpin's world criminal organization, then took over the world, then the universe, then all matter and energy in the universe, and then stopped because he was bored. Not much to do after that. Not using a power that was never even shown or demonstrated in the first place is hardly better than that. Quote: Thanos Quest #2 (Right after he got the IG) -Death's lackey speaking for her -"My mistress wishes, with all due respect, to point out that with your newly acquired power, you are NOT her equal. You are her superior. In all ways, you are many stations ABOVE her. She is but a thread in the fabric that is yourself" -Thanos thinking to himself after killing said lackey -"I could force her to speak directly to me. I have the power to bend even her to my will. But what good would that do? That's not the way I wanted it to be. I desire her love, not her blind subservience." Again, actions speak louder than words. I don't see anything here but words. Quote: Oh and don't get too happy about him killing Death. From what I know he charged up the guantlet and gave it to her. He then told his friend that the cup had a huge chunk of his power and he wouldn't have the power to bring her back. She then (being the only one holding the cup) drank it. Thus she fully agreed to it. Which contradicts his showings of easily bitchsmacking the other cosmics (including Eternity and the LTMB) when he only had half of his power. If anything, it was a very high showing for Death, not a bad showing for the Beyonder. Should I also remind you that in the Korvac incident, Death managed to block the Living Tribunal's power from destroying Korvac's world? Also she was the only cosmic that survived Thanos' HOTU rampage. She is way more powerful than people give her credit for. If she had joined the cosmic attack against Thanos, it's possibly, nay, probable, that he would have been defeated. After all, it's easily arguable that Death is stronger than Eternity. Quote: Barring the company, Thanos sure as hell could've gotten the IG with the CC or the HOTU with the IG. What is your proof that he couldn't? Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't. What could stop him? And the Heart was around when he had the IG in there universe. But seeing as how the writers didn't come up with it till much later, that's why we don't see Thanos getting it. Understand that concept? And since HOTU wasn't around when IG was written, he couldn't have gotten it then either. Understand that concept? By the way, you're getting dangerously close to breaking forum rule #11. (Refer to rules sticky and the second new rule added). Quote: So you're saying that a slightly more advanced Doom (still with the old school armor) could steal his power. But The INFINITY GAUNTLET could not? lol Not after he had a modicum of experience with that power, as he did in SWII. Beating a toddler with a handgun is a lot easier than beating an adult, trained soldier with a handgun. Quote: Ya and that fight took all of one page. Not much of a difference. Yet he actually had to brace himself and show effort, which is much less impressive than how he casually squelched Eternity in The End. Quote: It says that Reed is a mortal human who like most humans would throw out poetic/cliche lines in the face of someone so powerful. Except Reed is USED to encountering the powerful. He's practically Galactus' drinking buddy. To give that kind of respect to the Beyonder is a real feat. Quote: And Beyonder said "oww" when Molecule man hit him with a mid level blast and was punched into the ground by the Hulk for a few moments. Beyonder is not as powerful as you make him out to be. SWII Molecule Man had the power to destroy billions of universes. As for the Hulk, if you want to play that way, then Thanos w/IG was sliced up by Wolverine. Quote: Are we even looking at the same scan? What's happening in that picture is: Thanos has Mephesto by the throat and is threatening him. Death blasts the area from the side with her black beam of energy to separate the two. He then says "You too betray me?" The next page shows the cosmic royalty (all of them) hitting him with everything they have as he has his emotional outburst about Death. Then he smiles and takes the cosmics and puts them up like trophies. You don't even know whats going on in those scans? You're the one who needs to reread them. He clearly launched an IG - powered attack at Mephisto, but it was slapped aside by Death. Quote: That's funny since you've given me no reason as to how he could beat Thanos with the IG. You've stated that he beat up the Cosmics. So? So did Thanos. Beyonder beat them easier. And, as confirmed in Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1, the Living Tribunal's M - body is above the power of the IG, so Beyonder > LTMB > IG. Quote: You think they should hire me too huh? wink I don't think that everything that contradics my opinion to be bad writing. I think writing that contradics logic is bad writing. So now everything you disagree with is illogical? Ha. Your scans prove nothing especially since you don't even know what's going on in some of them. Quote: Sorry but you've given no real reasons as to how/why he'd win. Even with your precious pre-retcon he'd still lose. Doom's dinky armor stole the power. Thus Thanos could do it more easily. Not to mention he could use his mind or soul gem to affect the obviously weak minded and naive Beyonder. He could trick him into wanting to be mortal again (he tricked the Elders of the Universe for crying out loud. The childlike Beyonder wouldn't be hard). He could also create a machine like the one that the Beyonder made and suck him into it thus making him powerless. Beyonders powers are transferred from one thing to another so often and easily that Thanos would soon own it all. This discussion is pretty moot. Once again I will bring up the point that Reed Richards in "Last Planet Standing" (which is canon for the LT) defeated an LT M - body (as well as a lot of other cosmics) with tech, and, as shown in AWATIW #1, LTMB > IG. So Beyonder being defeated by Doom/Reed level tech is not such a bad showing. However, in the entire history of the IG, we have never seen anyone use it to steal power from another being, just beat them down and attack them in different ways. Doubtlessly it could steal power, but the limits of that ability are unknown. As for the Mind and Soul gems, what makes you think such attacks would be effective against the Beyonder? Remember, he was fighting the Celestials on "uncountable planes of existence" at once, and doubtlessly had mastered this ability by the time he easily brushed aside the other cosmics. Such attacks would doubtless be familiar to him and easily countered. And why the Hell would Beyonder wish to become mortal in the middle of a battle? He isn't stupid. As for the machine, it didn't suck up power at all, Beyonder willingly volunteered his power to it so it could be stored there. Beyonder is a multiversal entity, IG Thanos is only a universal entity. Multiversal > Universal.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:10 pm
Quote: Beyonder beat them easier You have way more school than anyone. whee He had Mephesto by the throat. If you call that an IG attack..sure. But you're clearly seeing what you want to see. Seriously, look at it again. Look at the whole page for that matter. You actually belive that the Beyonder is more powerful than the LT? eek WOW! Logic just bounces right off of you huh? You are the only one saying he has any real multiversal power. Just you. He didn't do anything in the books to show he could beat the IG. All he did was make passing remarks about the multiverse and how he'd like to end it. Did he? No. Could he? No. Or he would've long before his demise. Of course the IG could steal his power. It can do anything. We've already seen his powers be stolen by human technology. And as much as you claim that he was naive and he hadn't mastered his powers (despite having them for as long as he's exsisted) and everything along that line... he was doing very complex things to Doom at the time and he also used Klaw to trick Doom in very intelligent ways. Thus if he could have stopped him, then he would've. So Thanos could easily steal his powers. You can't really argue. Face it. The IG would win.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:18 pm
CosmicBeing neutral You have way more school than anyone. whee He had Mephesto by the throat. If you call that an IG attack..sure. But you're clearly seeing what you want to see. Seriously, look at it again. Look at the whole page for that matter. Mocking someone's grammar is proof you're losing the argument. Not to mention it's late and I'm tired and I didn't get any sleep last night. And the panels still show his attacks being deflected. Not to mention the whole Maelstrom thing. Quote: You actually belive that the Beyonder is more powerful than the LT? eek WOW! Logic just bounces right off of you huh? No, I believe he is more powerful than a LT M - body. Each M - body only contains a small fraction of the LT's ful power. True form LT would most likely pwn him. Quote: You are the only one saying he has any real multiversal power. Just you. And the Beyonder himself in the very comic.... Quote: He didn't do anything in the books to show he could beat the IG. All he did was make passing remarks about the multiverse and how he'd like to end it. Did he? No. Could he? No. Or he would've long before his demise. He didn't try and fail, he was questioning the point of existence, he thought about destroying the multiverse, but never actually decided to do it. Instead he came up with the plan of becoming mortal instead. Quote: Of course the IG could steal his power. It can do anything. It couldn't beat the LT M - body. It couldn't do a ton of stuff, as I showed in my scans you conveniently ignored. Quote: We've already seen his powers be stolen by human technology. And as much as you claim that he was naive and he hadn't mastered his powers (despite having them for as long as he's exsisted) Yet he wasn't sentient until he manifested in the 616 reality, so he started learning from that point onwards. Quote: and everything along that line... he was doing very complex things to Doom at the time and he also used Klaw to trick Doom in very intelligent ways. Thus if he could have stopped him, then he would've. So Thanos could easily steal his powers. You can't really argue. Beyonder made a whole big speech in SWII about how it was all Klaw's idea, tricks, and manipulations that tricked Doom, he was just observing. He even stated that he didn't understand how Klaw did it, since he knew nothing of human psychology at that point. Please try to know what you're talking about. Not to mention you're ignoring the Last Planet Standing incident, where an LTMB (a being acknowledged as greater than the power of the IG) was stymied by Reed's tech. Quote: Face it. The IG would win. You have no proof.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:57 pm
DasUberGuy neutral You have way more school than anyone. whee I wasn't mocking your grammer. It's about as good as mine. No, that's an inside joke between me and d**k Grayson. You reminded me of it. Ah but neither do you. wink Quote: Not to mention it's late and I'm tired and I didn't get any sleep last night. Shall we end this debate then? Neither one of us will ever concede our points seeing as how we are both ignoring what the other is saying. Agree to disagree. Yes/no?
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:32 pm
Okay, we'll end it for now.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:57 pm
DasUberGuy Okay, we'll end it for now.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:51 pm
Okay, I have some new scans: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspaceandtimefk9.jpgThe Beyonder transcends all space, time, and dimensions. http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspacetime2pq7.jpgBeyonder is everything there is outside the multiverse (placing him outside of the IG's jurisdiction). http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolsallheroesvillansca6.jpgHe doesn't need to fight any of the heroes or villains, his power is so great that he just controls them by thinking about it. http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolseverythingct4.jpgIn fact he takes control of all matter and energy in the universe effortlessly. http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderthinkingtf2.jpgJust by thinking he causes universal - scale destruction. http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=watchercouncilti2.jpgAll the Watchers break their oath and interfere with him (which they didn't do with Thanos) http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpgThe Beyonder himself IS reality, not just controls it. http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abstractsbegbeyonder2wr7.jpgAll the cosmic beings beg Beyonder not to kill multi - Death http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath2kv6.jpghttp://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.jpgDeath is killed not just in the 616 universe, but in the multiverse. Note that they actually use the word 'multiverse' http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectsdeath2ij8.jpgHe resurrects Death http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondertalkingtodeathxu1.jpgBeyonder states he could easily destroy the universe http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondertalkingtodeath2kx4.jpgDeath fears the Beyonder. She didn't fear Thanos. http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercandoanythingml3.jpgBeyonder states he can do anything http://img431.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpgBeyonder is stated to be millions of times more powerful than the rest of the multiverse combined. http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontroloversoulsnk8.jpgBeyonder controls souls (so there goes your 'Thanos attacks his soul' argument) http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sunspotonbeyonderwp8.jpgThe universe is just a toy to the Beyonder. http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herculesonthebeyonderbc8.jpgEven the gods are humbled by the Beyonder http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetoonbeyonderfx0.jpgBeyonder controls life, death, and time. http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doctordoomonthebeyondersf2.jpghttp://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xavieronthebeyonderhj6.jpgEven Galactus is an insect to the Beyonder. http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dstrangeonbeyonderqu5.jpgA mere glimpse at the Beyonder's power makes Dr. Strange recoil in horror, the same Dr. Strange that sucessfully fought against the Infinity Gauntlet. http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dstrangeonbeyonder2pu4.jpgBeyonder could erase the universe with a thought. http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bkillsgalaxy4billionlightyearsawaygx8.jpgBeyonder destroys a galaxy a billion parsecs from Earth just from his anger. http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdestroyingagalaxyen3.jpgBeyonder destroys a galaxy easily. http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmcontainsmicroversekillerexplosionxm8.jpghttp://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmcontainsmicroversekillerexplosion02cr7.jpghttp://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmcontainsmicroversekillerexplosion03cn3.jpghttp://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmrecreatesacommunity1cg9.jpghttp://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmrecreatesacommunity2lr4.jpgBeyonder saves the Microverse. http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmcuresmicronautsej2.jpghttp://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmcuresmicronauts2vj7.jpgBeyonder manipulates reality. http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmkills3jupitersizeplanetsatoncepu7.jpgBeyonder easily destroys 3 planets. http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmrestoressourceoffoodgv5.jpghttp://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmrestoressourceoffood2ln0.jpgBeyonder restores the ecosystem of a planet. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdestiny1oi0.jpghttp://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdestiny2av1.jpgBeyonder saves the Hulk from a dimension not even Dr. Strange could find. http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectssharonng2.jpgBeyonder brings a woman back to life. http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectstimebombus5.jpghttp://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectstimebomb2fz2.jpgResurrects timebomb even though she disintegrated herself. http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderresurrectskanguv7.jpgMore resurrection. http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectsdazzlerrf8.jpgYet more resurrection. http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmrecreatesscionxz7.jpgEven more resurrection. http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectsnewmutantsav5.jpghttp://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderressurectsnewmutants2he0.jpgBeyonder creates a resurrection machine. http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolovertimelifejo7.jpghttp://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolovertimelife2an2.jpghttp://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolstime2lu6.jpgBeyonder has complete control over time. http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercontrolovertimestreamte2.jpgMore time control. http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercouldshatterthetimestreamzx6.jpgBeyonder could end time itself if he so wished. http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercuringhookersre1.jpgBeyonder cures STDs. http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdarkchildvsbz0.jpghttp://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdarkchildvs1pw3.jpghttp://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdarkchildvs2zr3.jpgBeyonder effortlessly pwns the ruler of limbo. http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondererasesarmiesworlds1ze3.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondererasesarmiesworlds2ka8.jpgBeyonder easily shrugs off a galaxy - destroying blast and erases a space fleet and 30,000 civilizations as well as all the races they have ever contacted from existence. http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondererasesarmiesworlds03tj3.jpgBeyonder erased the souls of all those races from existence (In The End, Akhenaten, using the power of the Heart of the Universe, visibly exerted effort to do this to just one soul, and it awed a pantheon of Skyfathers). In addition, Mephisto states Beyonder could destroy the multiverse. http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercreatessceneriospc7.jpghttp://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercreatesscenerios2tq0.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercreatesscenerios3ku8.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondershiftingspacetimebo2.jpgBeyonder effortlessly travels between and creates alternate universes. http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderexploresthemulitverseoy9.jpghttp://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderexploresthemulitverse2ni5.jpgBeyonder reaches out and explores the multiverse with his mind. http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermakesawagerwmephistojs3.jpghttp://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermakesawagerwmephisto2yi3.jpghttp://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondercandestroyeverythingpq5.jpgBeyonder threatens to destroy the multiverse. http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderscanningtheworldqc0.jpgBeyonder scans the minds of all the humans on Earth in less than a second. http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderscansthemultiverseim8.jpgThen he does the same thing to the entire multiverse. http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondernmuniversesnx7.jpgHe offers to transform all the New Mutants into universes. http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsnm1nu2.jpghttp://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=byondervsnmyj6.jpghttp://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsnm2wq7.jpghttp://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsnm3rx9.jpgThey refuse, so he erases them from existence. http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spresenceisoverwhelmingfm4.jpgPuma's senses overload when trying to comprehend Beyonder's power. http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsxmenth7.jpgBeyonder yawns during an attack by the X-men. http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsmephistotf4.jpgBeyonder easily defeats Mephisto. http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsalpahflight2cg3.jpgBeyonder easily defeats Alpha Flight and says he has more power than the rest of the entire universe. http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsrachelds6.jpghttp://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsrachel2kf1.jpgRachel attacks with the full power of the Phoenix Force she can summon but it does nothing. http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsrachel3rm5.jpghttp://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsrachel4kf4.jpgSame thing, same result. http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestialsxv2.jpgBeyonder threatens to destroy the universe, and really means it. http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials2bq9.jpgBeyonder easily defeats a Celestial. Beyonder is omniscient. http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials3su0.jpghttp://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials4hq8.jpgBeyonder fights Celestials on multiple planes of existence and pwns them. http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doctordoomvsbeyonderxh5.jpgBeyonder is defeating Doom (despite the fact that Doom had all the power of Galactus plus his worldship) until he got tricked. http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermakesrachelgodlikela7.jpgBeyonder makes Rachel into a godlike being. http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sdomepc9.jpgBeyonder easily cracks Molecule Man's force dome that was stronger than the entire multiverse combined. http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdestructionacrossmultiversesf2.jpgBeyonder wreaks havoc across the multiverse just by getting mad (compare this to Thanos' IG hissy fit where he only damaged the universe). http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdestructionacrossmultiverse2gv0.jpgMolecule Man fixes the multiverse - wide destruction caused by Beyonder with one finger. http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uatubeggingmmbo6.jpgUatu the Watcher begs Molecule Man to stop Beyonder because he is the only one powerful enough to do so. http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsmmpv7.jpgMolecule Man fights Beyonder and it causes destruction throughout the multiverse. They are called the two most powerful beings in existence. http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderdestructionacrossmultiverse3ec9.jpgBeyonder fires a blast that reaches the end of the multiverse. http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mmyy0.jpgMolecule Man shields all the heroes from the blast and moves every living thing in the multiverse out of the way into subspace. Then he says the Beyonder's power is unimaginable to him. http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderimposinglimitsqn6.jpgAnd here's the kicker: BEYONDER WAS LIMITING HIMSELF THE WHOLE TIME! So you can clearly see, give Thanos the Cosmic Cube, IG, HOTU, with a cherry on top, and Beyonder still beats him like a red - headed stepchild with one hand tied behind his back.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:49 pm
So, just a quick question, what exactly can the S. Sword do??
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