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 Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:13 pm
Lance D Anderson Lazarus The Resurected the reason laws are based in christianity is because it was (and yes i do me was) the dominant religion for a while. on the opther hand new ones are in place ie. ***** and rape are much diferent now than they were int he bible. How so? They mean the same as they always been. There wrong and shouldn't be done. nope rape was only punished if you got caught and she was a virgin. then the girl was simply "damaged goods" and you had to mary her. 13 year old girls were being married to 30 year old men on a regular basis, this constitutes modern *****. now they are crimes in the days of Jesus and well before they were not. Quote: I can get people to say i preformed miracles also simple illusion can be substituted for actual miracle. i mean hundreds of thousands of people watched Chris Angel vanish an Elephant but did he really do it? Quote: on tv. (which obviously can't be refuted, right?) I didn't say it was irrefutable i said people believed that it happened, much like the miracles of christ. Quote: These prophesies were well known among the Jewish comunity so knowledge of the prophesy plus a few well placed circumstances equals prophesy fulfilled. Quote: the odds of him completing just 8 of the biblical prophecies is about 1 in 1000^28 and you're getting the figures from? Quote: I will not argue int he existance of a man named Jesus who came from Nazareth and started a cult. I will not argue that he was crucified. i will however argue that he was raised fromt the dead considering the only written evidence of this was penned by people who could have been in on a potential conspiracy. Quote: which you have no evidence to support a made up claim that has no substance or thought behind it. And what do you have to say against a "cult" that taught of how to be a better person and it's only goal was to inform and help others with no benefits to themselves? Humans don't do things for no gain at all and then die willingly when they are sound in mind could avoid it (of course you could through an unfounded claim against that) they are selfish, you should know that better than most. Only helping those for your own satisfaction: 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? - Matthew 5:46-47 The romans documented all thier crucifixions jesus was on a list that was found. I have nothing against the teachings of christianity. i have a problem with them being presented as fact or as more legitimate than any other religion, i also take issue to witch burnings the persecution of gays and the pushing of beliefs on other cultures or people who don't want to hear it. As for the conspiracy theory i never said i believed it i said it was a possibility, and considering that it has no evidence to support or deny it makes it just as viable as the "truth" of the bible. Jesus had no option but to be crusified, hink about it if he had caved and told the pharasees that he was not the son of God his whole movement would be destrioyed. would they really stay with him if he knuckled under? yeah humans are selfish but there are exceptions, for instance Gandhi (who was not a christian) you guys don't have the monopoly on generosity the buddha is another prime example. Quote: so Jesus existed, yes. Jesus was the son of God, no. God exists, debateable (but i say no.) so since i don't believe in God it trumps Jesus alltogether. The Laws are based off the bible but then again the comandments are also older than christ so technicaly they come from jewish scripture, not christian. I'm not say that "right" exists at all. I do what makes me feel good and l I live by a set of rules that i find true. however being behind bars will most definitely NOT make me happy, so i go out of my way not to break laws. Quote: Which most laws are currently are not unfavorable to you, so you're content with it. Truth is not variable, otherwise its not truth, it's opinion. You can have an opinion of what you want to be right is right. It's what is good for everyone and told to you through authority (in the bible), which you doubt, so you have to trust in it yourself if you expect any hope or finding truth. Plus, we believe in the Old Testament as well because Jesus was the son of the God of the Hebrew people, not some new god or a stand-alone god himself (which would have made more logical sense to go that route). I find it funny how we can both sit at computers and "know" we are right and yet you will still tell me that truth is not variable. i "know" there is no god, no hell and no heaven. you "know" that jesus died for you and that god's will supreseeds all else. so only one of us (or niether of us) is truly "right" but each believes they are. thus evidence that truth, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The bible has authority only to those who follow it. why should i be subjegated to your beliefs if they are not my own? [qoute] as for the Nazi thing, nice try to tie me into Facists but i'm generaly on the other end of the spectrum, just a step above anarchism. (humans are pack animals so no matter what we will always form hierarchies and govenments). Nothing is universaly true. Things can only be true for one person, people may agree on certainthings but no one believes all the same thing. Even entire Cultures don't agree on things. to use your example a majority of people may agree with abortion but other individuals within the culture may still dissagree.[/qoute] Quote: Humans need order to thrive, how many cultures say otherwise (0). So what your saying is that nothing anybody says can be considered truth and that we should never believe anything (including science or math) because someone's going to disagree on it or has to be wrong? Real nice ideals there (can't see how there aren't hundreds of followers around you), no trust or faith, only deceit and doubt. And it doesn't matter what those individuals think in the culture, if they want to think one way, and they have the influence to keep doing it, then the others don't matter. math proves it's self science looks into things but rarely offers proof unless it is hard undeniable phisical evidence. actually there have been groups that didn't want humanity to thrive Cathars Wiki of course the Catholics crushed them in the end. Quote: So, you claim that a book penned by a large group of people over 5 milenia and half of which is plaigerized from another religious text to be the only given authority on all subjects even though some topics are not specifically covered and thus fall under generalizations when scripture get's quoted? i don't even take the Satanic Bible as entire truth. i wiegh everything past myself, my life and my feelings. Quote: Once again, more unfounded thoughts. So you're thoughts on it being plagiarized are true then huh? I'm sorry but you're own words cost you your credibility, plus there is evidence supporting the authenticity of the original texts (otherwise the true followers and historians wouldn't accept it as such). The bible in it's whole teaches us to be good and gives people hope that nothing else can give (including other religions). It's only when people try to morph it or add things for their own purpose do others jump on the religion as a whole (which is what it turned into, but it fundamentally is just a gathering of believers to worship God, but people have spun that out of what it really was, such as Catholicism). Umm yeah. the entire old testament to be precise it's out of the jewish scriptures. Quote: 1 in 12 people turn thier backs on christ? so then you are saying that approx. 90% of the planet is christian and the rest are divided into all other religions and atheism.? i think that stat should be more like 1 in 12 christians turn thier backs on christ. Quote: - that's what i meant. Accepting what you do is wrong and giving up your pride is entirely up to the individual and his faith. Although some will still shun God and find out in the end what that accomplished for him/her. 5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord - James 1:5-7 i appreciate the attempt but seriously back off with the evangelism i niether want nor need your god.
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:44 pm
Ok, um... might I just ask how alot of this seemed to get off of subject (my guess is everyone is kinda cunfuzzled, and thus no one has posted again yet sweatdrop ). Simple is not always good, especially in cases such as this. As for my response to the previous post, it'll be as short as I can make it okie? ^-^;;
"We truely 'know' only what we have experienced.
And we can only 'love', once we have been loved. And most the time, that does not even work out."
In addition, things such as young marriages were managed back a long time ago, when it was not religion influencing culture, but the exact opposent! They might of used the same name, but the two both are and were very different. Let's take the Middle East, present time, for example: women are still married at young ages to older men. Death penality is still being carried out on homosexuals and women if they are caught cheating with a man, and it takes 7 women in court to equal one man. Christianity is held down, and if you are found to be part of that religion you are killed.
I understand this is also off subject, however, you see what I am saying by typing that? In other words, we need to get back to subject and save all this for different fourms, ok? ^_^ (so that everyone still has a fair chance to still participate in the subject at hand)
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:57 pm
The subject at hand is Satanism, as the resident satanist one would think my oppinions and reasoning on it would be astute. i simply was looking to get a clreaer picture of the way people posting in this thread viewed satanism and why satanism is judged more harshly than other religions by christians. then i got defencive and later offencive with a zealot who fails to accept that the bible may not be trhe only truth in the world.
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:05 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Lance D Anderson Lazarus The Resurected the reason laws are based in christianity is because it was (and yes i do me was) the dominant religion for a while. on the opther hand new ones are in place ie. ***** and rape are much diferent now than they were int he bible. How so? They mean the same as they always been. There wrong and shouldn't be done. nope rape was only punished if you got caught and she was a virgin. then the girl was simply "damaged goods" and you had to mary her. 13 year old girls were being married to 30 year old men on a regular basis, this constitutes modern *****. now they are crimes in the days of Jesus and well before they were not. ?Quote: I can get people to say i preformed miracles also simple illusion can be substituted for actual miracle. i mean hundreds of thousands of people watched Chris Angel vanish an Elephant but did he really do it? Quote: on tv. (which obviously can't be refuted, right?) I didn't say it was irrefutable i said people believed that it happened, much like the miracles of christ. 1Quote: These prophesies were well known among the Jewish comunity so knowledge of the prophesy plus a few well placed circumstances equals prophesy fulfilled. Quote: the odds of him completing just 8 of the biblical prophecies is about 1 in 1000^28 and you're getting the figures from? 2Quote: I will not argue int he existance of a man named Jesus who came from Nazareth and started a cult. I will not argue that he was crucified. i will however argue that he was raised fromt the dead considering the only written evidence of this was penned by people who could have been in on a potential conspiracy. Quote: which you have no evidence to support a made up claim that has no substance or thought behind it. And what do you have to say against a "cult" that taught of how to be a better person and it's only goal was to inform and help others with no benefits to themselves? Humans don't do things for no gain at all and then die willingly when they are sound in mind could avoid it (of course you could through an unfounded claim against that) they are selfish, you should know that better than most. Only helping those for your own satisfaction: 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? - Matthew 5:46-47 The romans documented all thier crucifixions jesus was on a list that was found. where? and there were other "Jesus'" as a name I have nothing against the teachings of christianity. i have a problem with them being presented as fact or as more legitimate than any other religion, i also take issue to witch burnings the persecution of gays and the pushing of beliefs on other cultures or people who don't want to hear it. As for the conspiracy theory i never said i believed it i said it was a possibility, and considering that it has no evidence to support or deny it makes it just as viable as the "truth" of the bible. Jesus had no option but to be crusified, hink about it if he had caved and told the pharasees that he was not the son of God his whole movement would be destrioyed. would they really stay with him if he knuckled under? yeah humans are selfish but there are exceptions, for instance Gandhi (who was not a christian) you guys don't have the monopoly on generosity the buddha is another prime example. 3Quote: so Jesus existed, yes. Jesus was the son of God, no. God exists, debateable (but i say no.) so since i don't believe in God it trumps Jesus alltogether. The Laws are based off the bible but then again the comandments are also older than christ so technicaly they come from jewish scripture, not christian. I'm not say that "right" exists at all. I do what makes me feel good and l I live by a set of rules that i find true. however being behind bars will most definitely NOT make me happy, so i go out of my way not to break laws. Quote: Which most laws are currently are not unfavorable to you, so you're content with it. Truth is not variable, otherwise its not truth, it's opinion. You can have an opinion of what you want to be right is right. It's what is good for everyone and told to you through authority (in the bible), which you doubt, so you have to trust in it yourself if you expect any hope or finding truth. Plus, we believe in the Old Testament as well because Jesus was the son of the God of the Hebrew people, not some new god or a stand-alone god himself (which would have made more logical sense to go that route). I find it funny how we can both sit at computers and "know" we are right and yet you will still tell me that truth is not variable. i "know" there is no god, no hell and no heaven. you "know" that jesus died for you and that god's will supreseeds all else. so only one of us (or niether of us) is truly "right" but each believes they are. thus evidence that truth, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The bible has authority only to those who follow it. why should i be subjegated to your beliefs if they are not my own? 4[qoute] as for the Nazi thing, nice try to tie me into Facists but i'm generaly on the other end of the spectrum, just a step above anarchism. (humans are pack animals so no matter what we will always form hierarchies and govenments). Nothing is universaly true. Things can only be true for one person, people may agree on certainthings but no one believes all the same thing. Even entire Cultures don't agree on things. to use your example a majority of people may agree with abortion but other individuals within the culture may still dissagree.[/qoute] Quote: Humans need order to thrive, how many cultures say otherwise (0). So what your saying is that nothing anybody says can be considered truth and that we should never believe anything (including science or math) because someone's going to disagree on it or has to be wrong? Real nice ideals there (can't see how there aren't hundreds of followers around you), no trust or faith, only deceit and doubt. And it doesn't matter what those individuals think in the culture, if they want to think one way, and they have the influence to keep doing it, then the others don't matter. math proves it's self science looks into things but rarely offers proof unless it is hard undeniable phisical evidence. actually there have been groups that didn't want humanity to thrive Cathars Wiki of course the Catholics crushed them in the end. 5Quote: So, you claim that a book penned by a large group of people over 5 milenia and half of which is plaigerized from another religious text to be the only given authority on all subjects even though some topics are not specifically covered and thus fall under generalizations when scripture get's quoted? i don't even take the Satanic Bible as entire truth. i wiegh everything past myself, my life and my feelings. Quote: Once again, more unfounded thoughts. So you're thoughts on it being plagiarized are true then huh? I'm sorry but you're own words cost you your credibility, plus there is evidence supporting the authenticity of the original texts (otherwise the true followers and historians wouldn't accept it as such). The bible in it's whole teaches us to be good and gives people hope that nothing else can give (including other religions). It's only when people try to morph it or add things for their own purpose do others jump on the religion as a whole (which is what it turned into, but it fundamentally is just a gathering of believers to worship God, but people have spun that out of what it really was, such as Catholicism). Umm yeah. the entire old testament to be precise it's out of the jewish scriptures. 6Quote: 1 in 12 people turn thier backs on christ? so then you are saying that approx. 90% of the planet is christian and the rest are divided into all other religions and atheism.? i think that stat should be more like 1 in 12 christians turn thier backs on christ. Quote: - that's what i meant. Accepting what you do is wrong and giving up your pride is entirely up to the individual and his faith. Although some will still shun God and find out in the end what that accomplished for him/her. 5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord - James 1:5-7 i appreciate the attempt but seriously back off with the evangelism i niether want nor need your god. - yeah you think about that real hard Just a few things. 1. He was in public without the means of "faking" healing eyes and legs and the such. 2. I'm terribly sorry, let me correct myself. It is 100^17 and Peter Stoner, Science Speaks (Chicago: Moody Press, 1969) 3. This'll be long. witch burnings the persecution of gays - not supported by Jesus' teaching. Your supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner. Unlike Muslims which teach to hate all those who aren't Muslims as well. You said "Jesus had no option but to be crusified, hink about it if he had caved and told the pharasees that he was not the son of God his whole movement would be destrioyed. would they really stay with him if he knuckled under? yeah humans are selfish but there are exceptions" - that statement itself is contradicting. Jesus was there to help people, so why would he go and willingly give himself up when he could of easily escaped knowing his fate? If he just died, then there wouldn't be Christians (I think Acts 5:35-39 will prove my point). If you just "can't" believe in the bible, then no one can force you now can they? But it's at your own loss if you choose not to accept the message behind it. Plus, I never said only Christians were good, I'm quite aware of the works of others, but most people need guidance of how to live and why (honoring their Maker). 4. I can't help it if you are unwilling to see what God has made obvious to you, whether it be the existence of love or just nature 5. okay... but either way the point is you can't take anything for fact unless it is in front of you and you yourself verify it (which means that the Cathar thing could of "possibly" never happened, with your mind set). 6. ? Is there a point to this comment? I know the Old Testament is Jewish. The whole point for the Old Testament is [now] to show the authenticity of his coming and history of God's laws and works by the way of the Jewish nation. That's all
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:58 am
1. the only people whp bear witness thaat he actually did it were his followers. followers can write all kinds of things it dosen't mean they actually happened.
2. ok so it's a long shot. i guess i'll have to concede that particular point.
3.I can't believe the bible but it dosen't mean i don't read it. Jesus was killed for his radical and blasphemous religious views. views he was not willing to cast aside even when threatened with death. he was martyred in the eyes of his folowers and thus started the most powerful religious movement the world has seen.
4. I can't help that you are unwilling to see the logical truth. this will not change so i prepose leaving it lie.
5.i don't take religious text as fact i'm pretty sure i'd have to be a complete fool not to take documented history as fact or at least based in fact.
6. just to answer the question of which part of the bible was plaigerized.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:33 am
Comment about #6.
Actually, not so. It is more like a book and the sequal. The Jews believed in a savior, and when Jesus came, several Jews and non-Jews alike believed he was the savior mentioned in what is known today as the Old Testiment, which said someone would come who would forgive the sins of even the gentiles. So really, it is not plagerizisim... not to mention the books of the bible where actually put together into one book 200 a.d. or so by the Catholic Church.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:58 pm
point conceded. however you did just admit to the construction and composition of the bible being done by man rather than coming "directly from God"
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:06 pm
RockaChica He said he converted when i cheated on him and that he is having so much stress right now from me , his family, and school. But i cheated on him four months ago and hes still mad at me after we've had deep conversations about it that made me cry. I thought he would get it by now that i would never do it to him again. I feel like its all my fault that hes converted and whenever i talk to him about god he gets all pissed off at me. help me. PLZ MESSAGE ME YOU FAIL AND YOUR GOING TO HELL BECAUSE YOU CHEATED
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:12 pm
[ Loor ] "Take comfort in the fact that devil worshippers are just pissed off Christians...", I can't agree with that. BUT. I recently had this guy, Jonathan, ask me out and then 4 days later he brakes up with me because he is satanic and I made him feel uncomfortable. I was just fine, I tried to tell him, with his choice but I was going to continue to invite him to church and other activities, every once in a while, to help him. If he would persist on his view and not leave me alone about it I would have left him. Christians don't need to have that close of a relation with anything claiming to be on satins side. My advice try to get him to go to church or pray with you and if he has a problem you don't need him. I hope you go to church. I don't fit in with mine but I like to hear about my God. (I hate the music though. xd ) LOLZ YEAH JUST PRAY WITH HIM AND IT'LL BE TEH OKIES what load of s**t...such utter teenage mind controlled drama "OMG MY BF TEH DEVIL WORSHIPER WHAT I DO TO FIXX!?!11" try not being so utterly reality t.v. for once in your life and go read a book that doesnt have the word "bible" in it...
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:14 pm
Riknar Steelfire Did he actually name a specific sect , like the Temple of Set or whatev, blahblahblah . Average Satanists make me SLOL, cuz most of them don't know what their getting into...thats some seriously bad mojo man. If he sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about, then he's prolly trying to be a halfhearted rebel and get back at you in a petty way. People are dumb like that. If thats not the case, pray if nothing else. Pehaps he'll get a reality check from the Big Man before he steps off the brink. We're all his kids, lol and every one of us is a prodigal! XD yeah lets take christian advice from the guy who has his avi armed to the teeth with guns and bloody knives....
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:19 pm
LadyBugLes [ Loor ] "Take comfort in the fact that devil worshippers are just pissed off Christians...", I can't agree with that. BUT. I recently had this guy, Jonathan, ask me out and then 4 days later he brakes up with me because he is satanic and I made him feel uncomfortable. I was just fine, I tried to tell him, with his choice but I was going to continue to invite him to church and other activities, every once in a while, to help him. If he would persist on his view and not leave me alone about it I would have left him. Christians don't need to have that close of a relation with anything claiming to be on satins side. My advice try to get him to go to church or pray with you and if he has a problem you don't need him. I hope you go to church. I don't fit in with mine but I like to hear about my God. (I hate the music though. xd ) I once had a guy who slept with a ouiga board next to his bed break up with me because he was jealous of my guardian angel...looking back, I think it was probably a case of my guardian not liking him and making it rather obvious to the twit... You probably do make Jonathon uncomfortable if you have white/light energy if he's doing a little devil worshiping. Coming in contact with the essence of the deity you're rebelling against tends to make people uncomfortable. (that essence being the Spirit) ok so you think that he doesnt like you because he's being "blinded by the light" and his "devilish ways" are making him be bitter against you? could it be that maybe he's bitter against you because your a pompus iggnorant narrow minded individual who uses jesus to act like a b***h? that,or you could both just be white trash retards with nothing better to do so you start drama parties and invite everyone?
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:23 pm
Fox Tailed Shadow haha that would b a hell of a job xp furries are all perverted...there is just no getting around that...go put on some cat ears and jerk off somewhere
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:26 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Luz Oscura Sure, but for Christians it would make no sense not to believe that what Jesus said about himself was true. I believe it is, just like all what was written about him in the NT. Christianity is different from other religions... it was written by witnesses or by people who knew the witnesses. There was absolutely nothing good these people could recive on this earth for preaching about Jesus what they did; so why would they do it if they knew it was untrue? There are many things about this, the beginnings of Christianity and its persecution, the prophecies in the OT, the personality of Jesus himself, his death and resurrection... the belief that Christianity is true makes sense to me, considering all the factors about it. Ok so you've just pointed out hat christianity is the only widely followed religion based on second and third hand information rather than the teacher of the religion writing down his own explicit instructions and advice. people propogate things known to them to be untrue all the time. sick burn xp
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:30 pm
Lance D Anderson Lazarus The Resurected firstly you do realize that even though Jesus said he was the"way the truth and the light" doesn't make it true. i mean technically i could say the same thing about myself, get it written in a book and an army of followers to believe it and it wouldn't be true about me now would it? True, but you didn't preform miracles, fulfill prophecies, come with authority to teach what is morally right, never sin, or have the same attributes as Jesus. If you disagree with the validity of 2 first hand documentations of Jesus' life by Matthew and John, the overall acceptance of the truth by the hundreds and thousands that saw him through his life that was spread over the course of thousands of years (even at the beginning where people died by not forsaking Jesus because they knew the truth), then it's you own blindness that you decide that this part of history is false despite evidence to the contrary and pointless to argue over. Lazarus The Resurected Being unchristian and wrong are two very separate things. Satanism is not entirely egocentric it however it doesn't teach to give freely of one's self to those who will just continue to take and take and take and never give of themselves in return. it also teaches that any indulgence which brings gratification to the indulger without breaking laws is an acceptable one. - What do you think laws were based off of to begin with? The bible and the teachings in it. So you're saying that the only "right" in life is through law (despite human intuition of what is good and bad) and that if law is superior, then the Nazi regiment should be considered heroes for enacting upon their law to torture and kill millions of people through conventionalism. But lets say its ethical subjectivism, in which "what's right for you is right for you, and what's right for me is right for me", which it then commits the "self-excepting fallacy" where the statement holds true for everyone but their self. Such as saying "All truth is relative", where that statement itself cannot be universally true. Or how about cultural relativism where "values of cultures" over weigh the truth of what is right or wrong. All that is is a statement of fact and not a moral description of the way things ought to be. If two cultures disagree on abortion, per se, they are either both wrong or only one is right because truth is truth and fiction is fiction. But then what is there to judge morals by? How about the only given authority in the world, the Christian Bible (you can go and try to say otherwise, but the evidence is withstanding and truth is truth, even if you don't want to see or change). Oh, and here's an interesting statistic: 1 in 12 people turn their backs on Christ. Coincidence? God knows what he does, has done, and is doing. It's our choice to accept him for who he is an stop giving in to worldly alternatives to God's grace, in which you must earnestly seek him. yeah and 1 in 12 people are led away due to overbearing,narrowminded, assholes who use jesus to be d**k heads...not the devil
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:14 pm
i-lol-at-metal-forums Lance D Anderson Lazarus The Resurected firstly you do realize that even though Jesus said he was the"way the truth and the light" doesn't make it true. i mean technically i could say the same thing about myself, get it written in a book and an army of followers to believe it and it wouldn't be true about me now would it? True, but you didn't preform miracles, fulfill prophecies, come with authority to teach what is morally right, never sin, or have the same attributes as Jesus. If you disagree with the validity of 2 first hand documentations of Jesus' life by Matthew and John, the overall acceptance of the truth by the hundreds and thousands that saw him through his life that was spread over the course of thousands of years (even at the beginning where people died by not forsaking Jesus because they knew the truth), then it's you own blindness that you decide that this part of history is false despite evidence to the contrary and pointless to argue over. Lazarus The Resurected Being unchristian and wrong are two very separate things. Satanism is not entirely egocentric it however it doesn't teach to give freely of one's self to those who will just continue to take and take and take and never give of themselves in return. it also teaches that any indulgence which brings gratification to the indulger without breaking laws is an acceptable one. - What do you think laws were based off of to begin with? The bible and the teachings in it. So you're saying that the only "right" in life is through law (despite human intuition of what is good and bad) and that if law is superior, then the Nazi regiment should be considered heroes for enacting upon their law to torture and kill millions of people through conventionalism. But lets say its ethical subjectivism, in which "what's right for you is right for you, and what's right for me is right for me", which it then commits the "self-excepting fallacy" where the statement holds true for everyone but their self. Such as saying "All truth is relative", where that statement itself cannot be universally true. Or how about cultural relativism where "values of cultures" over weigh the truth of what is right or wrong. All that is is a statement of fact and not a moral description of the way things ought to be. If two cultures disagree on abortion, per se, they are either both wrong or only one is right because truth is truth and fiction is fiction. But then what is there to judge morals by? How about the only given authority in the world, the Christian Bible (you can go and try to say otherwise, but the evidence is withstanding and truth is truth, even if you don't want to see or change). Oh, and here's an interesting statistic: 1 in 12 people turn their backs on Christ. Coincidence? God knows what he does, has done, and is doing. It's our choice to accept him for who he is an stop giving in to worldly alternatives to God's grace, in which you must earnestly seek him. yeah and 1 in 12 people are led away due to overbearing,narrowminded, assholes who use jesus to be d**k heads...not the devil Due to the fact you have no sense of what you are talking about, you shouldn't even be on here, at least Lazarus spends some time to think on things. Not to say there aren't people like you say, that's not the main factor, it's their doubt that steers the away. You personal opinions don't refer to everyone, so you need to stick your head out of the ground and not be narrowminded yourself.
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