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I am attending to GD in Baltimore this week, and hoping to get some comment on this armylist (eventhough it is rare that I will change this...)

Ultramarines 1750pts.

Chapter master:
Artificer armor, Jet pack, Meltabombs, Frag grenades, Iron Halo, Power weapon, Plasma pistol

(6) assault squad:
-2 plasma pistol, 6 Meltabombs
Terminator honor, Plasma pistol, Power fist, Combat shield

Chaplin:
Terminator armor, Storm bolter

5 terminators
-5 furious charges

(5) Tactical squad:
-Melta gun, 5 Krak grenades
-Terminator honor, Combi-melta, Frag grenades, Power weapon
(6) Devastator squad:
-4 missile launchers


Land raider crusader:
-Smoker launcher


Tactical squad (5):
-Flamer, 5 Frag grenades
-Terminator honor, Power fist, Combat shield


Devastator Squad (6):
-2 Heavy bolters
-2 plasma cannons

Dreadnought:
-Venerable, Extra armor, Heavy flamer, Furious assault

That is it...

Yes, that is one small problem, but my guys are all specialized in their own way, making them most effective in small numbers. I have 8 scoring unit, and that doesn't really seems to be a matter so far. (Tested out to friend: 2 masscares, 1 major victory, 1 minor victory, 2 draws)

That list seems like anti-one thing rather than all around which tournie lists should be.

Few numbers also makes it easy for the enemy to make your units not being scoring units (about to change in 5th Ed).

Me myself would ditch one of the HQ characters and add more Smurfs to the list.

And as Super Jesus the Third said, what army does your friend play? Your list might just be an anti-list to him, remember that there's other people with other lists than your friend in the tournament, what are you going to do when your enemy field 5 units of 20 ork boyz? I mean, that's alot of orks, even cheesy Eldar have problems with those.

When playtesting an army you need to try fighting atleast two battles against different foes and lists, when I prepare for a tournament I try playing against each race and 2 different lists of each instead of relying the testing against ONE enemy as it seems like that's what you've been doing.

Nnnnnnnnnope, can't seem to find anything more to add to that. Though let me say 5th ed will make things a little more....complex for you.

just wondering.... which would be better?

5 terminator with chaplin attached (assault) so I can re-roll failed hit and wound (lightling claw)

or

just 5 terminators and extra guys (lets see..tha's enought for 7 or 8?)

Here is the thing, if my terminaotr is on the roll, (for example, wiped out 3 carnifex in same turn, killed 50% of 175 guradsman army by themselfs)
they just turn into killing machine.

Oh just the thing, most of my guys are combat specialist or anti-tank squad. (guess youguys are right about this...)

I agree with DarkElf.

That Apocalypse Reload book has the list for a Space Marine scout force.