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 Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:50 am
Those at the end of the waiting list just might. Not quite sure though. Non-death-row inmates in federal prison are in a larger populace, so the higher-end things are rare. Now, while watching some of the documentaries on various federal prisons, every so often you'll get a camera flash of an inmate watching TV in his cell. I've only seen one IPOD in a Federal facility, though. He probably got beat the next day and it taken from him.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:59 am
thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen No, two wrongs do not make a right. Killing only provokes more killing. And anyway, death is the easy way out; knowing you have killed / raped / ruined somebody's life is considerably more painful. what about those who have a complete lack of conciense and do not feel remorse for killing an innocent person Oops, sorry about forgeting this one. Being shut up in a tiny room isn't a punishment in itself? what about the homeless who don't have anywhere else to go or three square meals a day. for them prison actually IMPROVES life But there are programs for homeless people to get help/ to eat and sleep somewhere. I have participated in some located near my home. If a homeless person wants to get help, there are ways for them to do so. If they don't (and several don't), they would be miserable in prison anyway. well see there is a problem with that, homeless help centers are not very well known, for example in my city there are none (that I know of) there are no flyers posted there are no advertisements, it is likely that a good portion of the homeless do not know that such centers exist
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:08 am
Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen No, two wrongs do not make a right. Killing only provokes more killing. And anyway, death is the easy way out; knowing you have killed / raped / ruined somebody's life is considerably more painful. what about those who have a complete lack of conciense and do not feel remorse for killing an innocent person Oops, sorry about forgeting this one. Being shut up in a tiny room isn't a punishment in itself? what about the homeless who don't have anywhere else to go or three square meals a day. for them prison actually IMPROVES life But there are programs for homeless people to get help/ to eat and sleep somewhere. I have participated in some located near my home. If a homeless person wants to get help, there are ways for them to do so. If they don't (and several don't), they would be miserable in prison anyway. well see there is a problem with that, homeless help centers are not very well known, for example in my city there are none (that I know of) there are no flyers posted there are no advertisements, it is likely that a good portion of the homeless do not know that such centers exist I don't know about that. I think that the centers would advertise in sections of town where the homeless sleep/spend the day. I think that whenever a homeless person is arrested for vagrancy, they tell them about these places.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:14 pm
Aaah! Death penalty!
My favorite sample is Ruth Alice from the UK, she got executed for the murder of her children, and then a short time later, after her execution, they found the true murderer.
Just imagine YOU are sitting in the cell without being guilty and no possibility proving it.
What would you say then?
I ask myself how the government ruling death penalty would ever react on it. I mean they'd need to do black magics and necromancy or expensive science to undo it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:14 pm
thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen Oops, sorry about forgeting this one. Being shut up in a tiny room isn't a punishment in itself? what about the homeless who don't have anywhere else to go or three square meals a day. for them prison actually IMPROVES life But there are programs for homeless people to get help/ to eat and sleep somewhere. I have participated in some located near my home. If a homeless person wants to get help, there are ways for them to do so. If they don't (and several don't), they would be miserable in prison anyway. well see there is a problem with that, homeless help centers are not very well known, for example in my city there are none (that I know of) there are no flyers posted there are no advertisements, it is likely that a good portion of the homeless do not know that such centers exist I don't know about that. I think that the centers would advertise in sections of town where the homeless sleep/spend the day. I think that whenever a homeless person is arrested for vagrancy, they tell them about these places. They could reroute funds from useless prjects into buying a couple vans for a city and driving aroudn at night and picking up homeless, and taking thme ot the shelters. Or, those who don;t wnat to go, giving them a donated blanket.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:02 pm
If you kill the killer, what does that make you? This isn't just a question of law enforcement or justice. It is well beyond petty politics. It is a question of morals. Capital punishment condones hypocrisy.
Furthermore, I have read several reports of botched executions, not pretty. If that doesnt' qualify as cruel and unusual, I don't know what does.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:40 pm
uryu ishida thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen Oops, sorry about forgeting this one. Being shut up in a tiny room isn't a punishment in itself? what about the homeless who don't have anywhere else to go or three square meals a day. for them prison actually IMPROVES life But there are programs for homeless people to get help/ to eat and sleep somewhere. I have participated in some located near my home. If a homeless person wants to get help, there are ways for them to do so. If they don't (and several don't), they would be miserable in prison anyway. well see there is a problem with that, homeless help centers are not very well known, for example in my city there are none (that I know of) there are no flyers posted there are no advertisements, it is likely that a good portion of the homeless do not know that such centers exist I don't know about that. I think that the centers would advertise in sections of town where the homeless sleep/spend the day. I think that whenever a homeless person is arrested for vagrancy, they tell them about these places. They could reroute funds from useless prjects into buying a couple vans for a city and driving aroudn at night and picking up homeless, and taking thme ot the shelters. Or, those who don;t wnat to go, giving them a donated blanket. A person cannot just walk off the street into a homeless shelter. Most shelters require a photo ID and/or a statement from the police department that there are no warrants for their arrest, also they have to remain sober while they stay in a shelter. The homeless Shelter in my area requires an Affidavit from the police station, photo ID, and a social security card without these three items a person cannot stay there and they have to refrain from drugs and alcohol. over half of the homeless I deal with at my job are drug addicts and alcoholics - so they have no desire to stay at the homeless shelter.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:03 pm
Whether a prisoner is on death row or not the prison is still going to be there housing other convicts - so it still has to use utilities, purchase food, do laundry, etc. So this arguement of saving the taxpayers money doesn't work for me. Now if prisons only housed death row inmates this would be a viable argument - but they do not.
I do not support the death penalty. If a person cannot afford a good attorney they are more apt to receive the death penalty. If there is corruption in the local police department there will be a forced confession or if the Court system is corrupt the person accused of the crime will not get a fair trial or if there is pressure from the community for someone to be convicted of a murder(s) they will rush the proceedings through. There are just too many flaws in the system.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:58 pm
The fact of the matter is that executions cost a lot of money. the appeals process is insane, and, honestly, would cost a lot less if they just left the appeals process to the state, as opposed to allowing it to move up through the federal system.
It's been shown that a death row inmate costs a lot more to house for a single year than housing 3 convicts on multiple consecutive life sentences.
While I think that the death sentance can be, ultimately, a useless deterrant, we need to come up with a more effective way to perform the executions so that they do deter people from doing these things.
I, personally, can't stand that people think lethal injection is a brutal means of execution. due to the fact that it's done in 3 stages, you're first put to sleep, then paralyzed, and the final dose collapses your lungs. you feel nothing in your final moments but deep calm.
Bring back the old methods, people will really think twice about killing someone if the punishment for their actions is being drawn and quartered on cable television. Imagine the extra ad revenue that it could generate for state budgets....
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:13 pm
Jungle Soldier Alot of people tell me that oh capital punishment is not a detterent to crime. maybe be not but its not supposed to be, notice its called capital punishment my views on capital punishment for convicted murderers, rapists, molesters ect. was said best by one of my fav. bands "I say we line 'em all up then we gun 'em all down, then we all celebrate when they all hit the ground" I like what ron white said about are death row policy here in texas "in texas if you kill someone...we kill you back"
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:15 pm
fact!
A dead convict has 0% chance of becoming a repeat offender
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:03 pm
Jendaya uryu ishida thenerdqueen Jungle Soldier thenerdqueen But there are programs for homeless people to get help/ to eat and sleep somewhere. I have participated in some located near my home. If a homeless person wants to get help, there are ways for them to do so. If they don't (and several don't), they would be miserable in prison anyway. well see there is a problem with that, homeless help centers are not very well known, for example in my city there are none (that I know of) there are no flyers posted there are no advertisements, it is likely that a good portion of the homeless do not know that such centers exist I don't know about that. I think that the centers would advertise in sections of town where the homeless sleep/spend the day. I think that whenever a homeless person is arrested for vagrancy, they tell them about these places. They could reroute funds from useless prjects into buying a couple vans for a city and driving aroudn at night and picking up homeless, and taking thme ot the shelters. Or, those who don;t wnat to go, giving them a donated blanket. A person cannot just walk off the street into a homeless shelter. Most shelters require a photo ID and/or a statement from the police department that there are no warrants for their arrest, also they have to remain sober while they stay in a shelter. The homeless Shelter in my area requires an Affidavit from the police station, photo ID, and a social security card without these three items a person cannot stay there and they have to refrain from drugs and alcohol. over half of the homeless I deal with at my job are drug addicts and alcoholics - so they have no desire to stay at the homeless shelter. At the mission church about 8 miles away, they let all men come and sleep on the pews in the church after feeding them. No requirements. They run for half the year - so the men don't freeze during the winter months. I think that the requisites change from shelter to shelter.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:43 pm
That is a church, not a State/City funded, dedicated "Homeless Shelter".
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:27 pm
professorB If you kill the killer, what does that make you? This isn't just a question of law enforcement or justice. It is well beyond petty politics. It is a question of morals. Capital punishment condones hypocrisy. Furthermore, I have read several reports of botched executions, not pretty. If that doesnt' qualify as cruel and unusual, I don't know what does. if you kill the killer that makes you a hero. and as for botched executions, well think about this ,"Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the United States, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year". http://members.tripod.com/~dietmagic/bravery.html people die from botched surgeries all the time and that is equally as not pretty as a botched execution
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:41 pm
uryu ishida That is a church, not a State/City funded, dedicated "Homeless Shelter". True. But any illegal aliens could go to the non-goverment sponsored shelters instead. Jungle Soldier if you kill the killer that makes you a hero. and as for botched executions, well think about this ,"Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the United States, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year". people die from botched surgeries all the time and that is equally as not pretty as a botched execution Two wrongs do not make a right. The difference lies in a simple fact. The doctors were trying to help people, not kill them. They were trying to make a positive impact upon the world.
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