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 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:15 pm
Spiral Out Quote: List three possible emotional consequences of teen sex. Just remember also that consequences aren't always negative, there are such things as positive consequences. List positive consequences instead. What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? We aren't seriously going to start pretending that there aren't any consequences, are we? For one thing, abortions cost money. What are they, about $300, $400? That's a pretty big consequence if your 15 and don't have a job. At least the question asks you to list the consequences of teen sex and not premarital sex. I have nothing against school teaching that kids should wait until adulthood to have sex.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:48 pm
Oh my god (who is Flying Spaghetti Monster) I had the same workbooks (*had sex ed twice*), or at least the same line of workbooks! xd Does yours have a "Guys and Girls are Different" section? I always found that greatly amusing. It doesn't say "Guys: p***s, Girls: v****a" anywhere and jumps straight to stereotypes.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:51 pm
Lupine Pyrefly 'Cause everyone knows the Magic Marriage fairy makes STDs go away once you're hitched. And guys can have all the unprotected sex they want because they don't need to worry about pregnancy and they NEED to be "experienced" for their virginal future wives!!
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:05 pm
Oh man. If my kid brought this kind of stuff home. xd
Hell, I think I'll volunteer to _teach_ my kid's sex ed class. ******** what the other parents think. Especially if it's not taught 'till high school, 9th grade? Hell, those kids are old enough to know _everything_ then. We're gonna bring enough bananas for everyone and a gross of condoms, and everyone's going to practice, and can take some if they want. biggrin We're gonna hear all about all the STDs, realistically, and all about pregnancy, realistically, and all about aaaaaaallll the different kinds of birth control, realistically!!!!, and all about, yes, abortion. All of those different kinds, for real, and what they're really called. Yes, kids, for realz, yo. And of course, women's health - gyno visits, breast self-exams, when to start getting mammograms, etc - and men's health too, 'cause hey, the guys should learn about testicle self-examining and when to start getting prostate exams. We're gonna talk about how sex affects relationships, mental health, physical health, all of it. These kids are gonna get a ********' Powerpoint presentation, a collated and stapled handout - with pictures! - and a CD with the presentation and the handout in a PDF format to look at later.
I would get run the ******** out of town and lose my medical license and probably get lynched by multiple American Councils for the Christian Family or whatever. lol
You're gonna do adult stuff? You gotta have adult knowledge and take adult responsibility. For that, you need to be fully informed. I believe that honestly.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:48 pm
Oni-Angel Lupine Pyrefly 'Cause everyone knows the Magic Marriage fairy makes STDs go away once you're hitched. And guys can have all the unprotected sex they want because they don't need to worry about pregnancy and they NEED to be "experienced" for their virginal future wives!! No, they do the abstinence-only thing to the guys, too. Only they like to say it's about "respecting" women who need to be pure. Basically, the idea is that the woman is anyother man's property (I'm not EVEN exaggerating. They are encouraged to think of them as "this is somebody's future wife" or their daddy's little girl.) and should, therefore, not be "degraded." It's ******** ridiculous. Quote: What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? We aren't seriously going to start pretending that there aren't any consequences, are we? For one thing, abortions cost money. What are they, about $300, $400? That's a pretty big consequence if your 15 and don't have a job. At least the question asks you to list the consequences of teen sex and not premarital sex. I have nothing against school teaching that kids should wait until adulthood to have sex. No one is denying the negative consequences. It's just that scare-tactics and exaggerations are not honest. Teenagers are people, too, with sex drives and brains. Lying to and manipulating them is a betrayal of their trust. It degrades them. They may still be young, but with a few exceptions they can be responsible and make good decisions. And you know what? They are entitled to their sexuality. It'd be nice if they waited until they reach real adulthood and independence--but that happens so much later than it used to! Teens and young adults got married and had cars and moved out at this age decades ago. Where I live, most of us are stuck at home for financial reasons until our mid-twenties. Really.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:13 am
Aiko_Kaida Rinaqa Aiko_Kaida I attended 9th grade in Washington State where we had the most extreme abstinence only program I have ever seen. I took a class that was supposed to be on child care and parenting because I was interested in babysitting and working with little kids. I joined the class because I heard that for part of the year we got to work in the local kindergartens and head start. Well, we did do that. But 2/3 of our class was nothing but abstinence education. Our teacher actually confessed to us that the only way we could get funding for the school and the class was to complete all this abstinence crap. So we did it. We even came up with the "Sex lasts a moment, parenthood lasts a lifetime" slogan that both Washington and Idaho now use for their television ads. What I really hated about the class is that most of the abstinence education centered around how horrible children were, how hard it was to take care of children, and how having a child would ruin our lives. The "sex lasts a moment, parenthood lasts a lifetime" ads still have that same theme and it pisses me off so much. Children are not punishment and they should NEVER be a horrible unwanted burden. We even had to take home those "Baby think it over" electronic dolls that are supposed to teach you how horrible parenthood is. (I actually liked mine and got a perfect score on it). The best part of the class was when we arranged for a guest speaker that taught us that all girls who have sex before marriage are like lollipops that someone has pulled the wrapper off and licked, meaning no one else will ever want them. As someone who lost their virginity to a child molester at age 8, that little seminar was almost enough to drive me to suicide. This guy truly convinced me that I was completely worthless and no one would ever want me because I had been raped. Thank god I got some sense and some self esteem after that. ... That's disgusting. Seriously. No guy wants a girl that isn't a virgin? Soi what, are the guys special and allowed to have sex? Or does that mean no girls will want them? I hate abstinence-only crap. If I'd been fed that crock, I wouldn't have the awesome relationship I have now. Plus, I still have lollies after people have licked them. So I guess I'm abnormal. XP Also: Everyone else is doing it-- I can name people who aren't. If you love me, you'll prove it-- And if you love me, you'll wait until I'm ready. Not necessarily for marriage, but until I want to. It's fun you'll enjoy it-- Why don't we test that theory? I honestly believed all that s**t until I met my fiance. We were friends before we dated and he knew some of my background. I think we had only been dating about a week when I confessed to him that I had been sexually abused and wasn't a virgin. I was sure he was going to just walk away because no guy wants "spoiled goods". Well, he didn't walk away and I found out that that spoiled goods thing was a bunch of s**t. Luckily, my fiance went to Idaho schools his whole life and as ******** up and conservative Idaho is, they don't actually teach abstinence only. When He was in 9th grade he put a condom on a banana for health class. By the way, I like your answers. I'm all for abstinence until you are ready, and I encourage most people to wait until they are adults (or at least close to it). I think it's relevant to teach all teenagers how to deal with that kind of pressure. No one should have sex because of pressure or manipulation. I always liked this answer It's fun you'll enjoy it - So are video games, and they aren't all messy and sticky. Wanna play WoW? Haha, that's a good answer. I love video games. And absolutely - no one should have sex because of pressure or manipulation. And I also think that people should wait until around early adulthood, or at least the last couple of years of high school. (English college. I just translate to American because then it's not confusing because your college is our uni. >.<) Waiting until you've been together a while isn't a necessity, though. I used to think it was, but when it finally came to it, I lost my virginity after eight days of the relationship. I was so sure. XP And we're still together almost seven monthslater, which isn't hugely long but I'm still completely sure. : D I just wish everyone had the same experience as me. *sigh* I'm also in the campof teaching my kids sex ed. If I have a girl I'd like her to be able to talk to me about it. I might even get her a vibrator whenshe's fifteen or something, because I found it so irritating to have to wait until Iwas eighteen. (Not that I have one yet, but at least Icould now get one!)
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:20 am
PhaedraMcSpiffy Oni-Angel Lupine Pyrefly 'Cause everyone knows the Magic Marriage fairy makes STDs go away once you're hitched. And guys can have all the unprotected sex they want because they don't need to worry about pregnancy and they NEED to be "experienced" for their virginal future wives!! No, they do the abstinence-only thing to the guys, too. Only they like to say it's about "respecting" women who need to be pure. Basically, the idea is that the woman is anyother man's property (I'm not EVEN exaggerating. They are encouraged to think of them as "this is somebody's future wife" or their daddy's little girl.) and should, therefore, not be "degraded." It's ******** ridiculous. Quote: What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? We aren't seriously going to start pretending that there aren't any consequences, are we? For one thing, abortions cost money. What are they, about $300, $400? That's a pretty big consequence if your 15 and don't have a job. At least the question asks you to list the consequences of teen sex and not premarital sex. I have nothing against school teaching that kids should wait until adulthood to have sex. No one is denying the negative consequences. It's just that scare-tactics and exaggerations are not honest. Teenagers are people, too, with sex drives and brains. Lying to and manipulating them is a betrayal of their trust. It degrades them. They may still be young, but with a few exceptions they can be responsible and make good decisions. And you know what? They are entitled to their sexuality. It'd be nice if they waited until they reach real adulthood and independence--but that happens so much later than it used to! Teens and young adults got married and had cars and moved out at this age decades ago. Where I live, most of us are stuck at home for financial reasons until our mid-twenties. Really. Actually, that's only partially true. Teenagers have brains, yes. However, teenagers do not have fully developed fully functional brains. The frontal lobe (which is used for critical thinking and risk assessment) is very underdeveloped during the teen years and doesn't even finish developing until age 25. Because of their lack of frontal lobe development teens are much more likely to underestimate the risk involved in a behavior. Thats why people talk about teens acting like they are invincible. It's not like they actually believe they can't get hurt, they just aren't as good as adults at estimating how likely they are to get hurt. Teens are far more likely to underestimate their chances of getting an STD, getting pregnant, or even things like having their partner turn out to be a looser who will break their heart. No one can pinpoint exactly when the frontal lobe is developed enough that teens can make reasonably accurate assessments of risk, but it sure as hell isn't before the age of 16 and from my personal observations I feel that it is closer to 18 if not 20. I really believe that teens should be encouraged to hold off on having sex until they can reasonably assess the risk of their actions. Honestly, I don't think the risks of sex need to be exaggerated. The risks of unprotected sex a pretty steep, and the risks of poorly protected sex (improperly used condoms and such) are nearly as bad.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:25 am
Rinaqa Haha, that's a good answer. I love video games. And absolutely - no one should have sex because of pressure or manipulation. And I also think that people should wait until around early adulthood, or at least the last couple of years of high school. (English college. I just translate to American because then it's not confusing because your college is our uni. >.<) Waiting until you've been together a while isn't a necessity, though. I used to think it was, but when it finally came to it, I lost my virginity after eight days of the relationship. I was so sure. XP And we're still together almost seven monthslater, which isn't hugely long but I'm still completely sure. : D I just wish everyone had the same experience as me. *sigh* I'm also in the campof teaching my kids sex ed. If I have a girl I'd like her to be able to talk to me about it. I might even get her a vibrator whenshe's fifteen or something, because I found it so irritating to have to wait until Iwas eighteen. (Not that I have one yet, but at least Icould now get one!) I used to believe that you needed to be with someone a long time before you had sex with them too. I'm still believe that you either need to have known them long enough to know if they are lying about being clean, or demand that they go to the health clinic with you and get screened. My fiance and I had sex about two weeks into our relationship. I kind of wish we had waited a little longer, but obviously it wasn't a horrible decision because he is my fiance now and we have been together for three years. We were 18 and 20 at the time and had known each other all through high school, so that does make some difference. As for the vibrator thing, I bought my first one when I was 14 or 15 I think. I bought a crappy one at spencers gifts and they never asked to see ID or anything. Just before my 18th birthday I went into a huge sex store and bought another one, and again no one asked for ID. I don't see anything wrong with giving girls vibrators. They should be issued along with tampons and pads when girls have their first period. They may not be interested in them right away, but at least it's their. I honestly probably wouldn't have waited until I was 18 if I hadn't figured masturbation out when I was so young.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:31 pm
Aiko_Kaida Spiral Out Quote: List three possible emotional consequences of teen sex. Just remember also that consequences aren't always negative, there are such things as positive consequences. List positive consequences instead. What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? We aren't seriously going to start pretending that there aren't any consequences, are we? For one thing, abortions cost money. What are they, about $300, $400? That's a pretty big consequence if your 15 and don't have a job. At least the question asks you to list the consequences of teen sex and not premarital sex. I have nothing against school teaching that kids should wait until adulthood to have sex.
One, the major one, is that abstinence-only frequently uses the terms "teen sex" and "premarital sex" interchangably, when the reality is people are starting to wait into their early thirties to get married. That's a decade or so that kids are left hanging.
Two, the abstinence-only I personally was subjected to didn't mention jack about abortion. I mean nil. Nada. A passing pro-life "abortion kills babies crying " from the teacher and a black space for it under "Teen Pregnancy Options" that went without further comment as if no one would really consider it. Nearly the same with adoption, actually. It SHOULD be discussed, true. I worry, though, that it would just give the less honorable pro-lifers a soapbox on which to preach the evils of abortion to an audience required to listen to them... *sigh*
And you are so freakin' lucky. A vibrator at fourteen! xd
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:30 pm
Aiko_Kaida What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? There's nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, they usually teach that there are only negative consequences to teen sex, and that isn't always true, so it's unfair to say "if you have sex as a teen you will get pregnant and herpes and die, and then go to hell."
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:47 pm
I forgot to put masturbation in my big paragraph of stuff that'd get me killed by angry parents - different kinds of dildos and vibrators and lubes and butt plugs and a**l beads and c**k rings, as well as basic facts like masturbating does not make you gay or make you go blind or grow hair on your hands, nor can you spontaneously get AIDS from doing it. I actually knew people in high school who believed that (as well as the whole douching with Coke works as birth control myth O.o).
It's safe sex you can have anytime you want with someone you know will never leave you! biggrin
Nobody should ever hate themselves for their sexuality. As humans, we have a natural sex drive built in for reproduction, but we also have a higher thought process, which allows us to apply rationality to situations and therefore express that sexuality in ways that are appropriate for our individual lives at any given time. For most young people, that's probably either sticking to masturbation or possibly having safer (not safe!) sex with condoms and birth control.
Discussing both the negative and positive consequences of the decisions to have sex in high school or in college, at those ages, is necessary for young people in order to make a completely informed decision. Abstinence-only education does NOT fully inform anyone of anything.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:37 am
Spiral Out Aiko_Kaida What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? There's nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, they usually teach that there are only negative consequences to teen sex, and that isn't always true, so it's unfair to say "if you have sex as a teen you will get pregnant and herpes and die, and then go to hell." "Don't have sex. Because you will get pregnant, and die." Anyone? . . . Anyone?
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:39 am
Freedom Fire Spiral Out Aiko_Kaida What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? There's nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, they usually teach that there are only negative consequences to teen sex, and that isn't always true, so it's unfair to say "if you have sex as a teen you will get pregnant and herpes and die, and then go to hell." "Don't have sex. Because you will get pregnant, and die." Anyone? . . . Anyone? Mean Girls! I love that movie, best teen movie ever!
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:46 am
PersephoneMediocris Freedom Fire Spiral Out Aiko_Kaida What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? There's nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, they usually teach that there are only negative consequences to teen sex, and that isn't always true, so it's unfair to say "if you have sex as a teen you will get pregnant and herpes and die, and then go to hell." "Don't have sex. Because you will get pregnant, and die." Anyone? . . . Anyone? Mean Girls! I love that movie, best teen movie ever! You're damn right it is! The scene is sadly based on truth, though. The idea of abstinence being heavily over-emphasised, the exaggeration of the risks and consequences, and the fact that all too often these classes are taught by teachers who do not specialize in this type of education. Sexual education classes need to be taught by health teachers, not gym teachers.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:54 am
Freedom Fire PersephoneMediocris Freedom Fire Spiral Out Aiko_Kaida What's wrong with discussing the reality of negative consequences to teen sex? There's nothing wrong with it. Unfortunately, they usually teach that there are only negative consequences to teen sex, and that isn't always true, so it's unfair to say "if you have sex as a teen you will get pregnant and herpes and die, and then go to hell." "Don't have sex. Because you will get pregnant, and die." Anyone? . . . Anyone? Mean Girls! I love that movie, best teen movie ever! You're damn right it is! The scene is sadly based on truth, though. The idea of abstinence being heavily over-emphasised, the exaggeration of the risks and consequences, and the fact that all too often these classes are taught by teachers who do not specialize in this type of education. Sexual education classes need to be taught by health teachers, not gym teachers. Most school districts don't even have health teachers these days. They just make the gym teachers take a health class one summer, and their qualified.
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