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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:36 pm
Yay! Existence. I should get started on my newish one...
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:38 am
Forgedawn Yay! Existence. I should get started on my newish one... xD This new one will be insane. Renþa is fairly tame, even if the ideas are fun. Aquénandi is really difficult to speak, but all of the grammatical rules are simple and regular. But this one will have 3 genders and verb agreement to both the subject AND the object. I'd guess that there will be about 300 conjugations (at least!) just for the present tense. I'm considering adding vowel harmony, just to screw things up further. xd
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:11 am
Eccentric Iconoclast Forgedawn Yay! Existence. I should get started on my newish one... xD This new one will be insane. Renþa is fairly tame, even if the ideas are fun. Aquénandi is really difficult to speak, but all of the grammatical rules are simple and regular. But this one will have 3 genders and verb agreement to both the subject AND the object. I'd guess that there will be about 300 conjugations (at least!) just for the present tense. I'm considering adding vowel harmony, just to screw things up further. xd That'll be scary eek
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:50 pm
I don't like genders. Two genders is tolerable but 3 is just ack.
Three genders is bringing my German grade down sad
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:03 pm
Xeigrich I don't like genders. Two genders is tolerable but 3 is just ack. Three genders is bringing my German grade down sad I don't like two-gender systems, but I love three genders. xD
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:39 am
What's the point of genders in grammar anyway? I don't really get it... sad
I'm sorry if this isn't the place to ask this.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:00 pm
Mivi What's the point of genders in grammar anyway? I don't really get it... sad I'm sorry if this isn't the place to ask this. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's good for distinguishing things that aren't expressly named. sweatdrop Plus they're fun for screwing things up. heart xd
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:57 am
I've actually fleshed out the language now, even though it's a bit basic. surprised
Suffixes for the accusative, prefixes for the dative, all changing depending on the gender and viewpoint of the noun. To pluralise the accusative or the dative standing alone, you change the nominative vowel which is before the accusative suffix to its other form, and to pluralise the dative when used with the accusative, you change the dative vowel to said form. surprised
It's hard to explain, but it works amazingly well.
Tenses are optional, and tied in with the nine grammatical moods; infinitive, indicative, imperative, conditional, general, potential, subjunctive, energetic and dubitative. The imperative is odd because it can't be used with tense markers (one of my languages already has a past imperative, I don't need another one), but it can be mixed with the energetic mood to make it more...energetic. These are put at the beginning of a clause.
Nouns are never pluralised because the verbs already tell you about their pluralisation status. In possessive constructions, the initial non-genitive marking vowel has a pluraliser (usually the letter i) added to it to mark the pluralisation status of the noun that possesses it, unless the possessor is not specifically named, in which case the genitive prefix changes.
The standard word order is VSO, sometimes morphing to OVS.
With the more in-depth cases (instrumental and so on), one tacks yet another prefix on the noun (genitive always comes first, though) that serves such a role. Yet another thing ends up in the verb, between the nominative and accusative. So "danato" ("I make it" - danayn' also covers "to do," but there it uses the dative) becomes "danatemo" - "I make it with that neuter object." And "danatamo laipradem" means "I made it with her help."
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This is, so far, a really difficult language. I'm still ironing out the clauses.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:39 pm
aoiheoibhaoirgha;oich ziogha eoig hioaeh vish v;zoihrioeg heoighz lvihe vah; coisheg consowi ecnowiehv.
Man, that's confusing.
eyeah... Too busy learning Russian to confuse myself on this... neutral
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:59 am
Maybe, when we have computers mixed with our brain, I'll try to learn this. Until there... rolleyes Mivi What's the point of genders in grammar anyway? I don't really get it... sad I'm sorry if this isn't the place to ask this. They simplify sentences, avoiding some troubles. If English, for example, had ne for him, her and it, when you try to say "I have a dog and I like it", you'll have to say "I have a dog and I like the dog" because if you say "I have a dog and I like ne", peoples can understand "I have a dog and I like her" what can mean another thing. Well, that isn't exactly what I wanted to say, but you can generate a linguistic chaos if the right conditions are filled. It isn't so bad in the example that I said here, but try to write a book without any gender expecification. It is very difficult. My conlang Proto-Eferdhi have four genders that can be used like cases (for example, if you belive that the sun is a godess, or if you're writing a poem that uses a "godess sun", you can put an animate feminine marker in the word sun), so I don't need to worry about that. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:34 am
Of course, THAT whole gender issue could be cleared up with the addition of a pronoun that makes it clear that you're talking about an already identified object. surprised
Rather like the Russian "sebja" but with objects.
Finnish gets along fine without ANY sort of linguistic genders, even in the pronouns. surprised
I just think that genders add an element of interest.
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:56 pm
Eccentric Iconoclast Of course, THAT whole gender issue could be cleared up with the addition of a pronoun that makes it clear that you're talking about an already identified object. surprised Rather like the Russian "sebja" but with objects. Finnish gets along fine without ANY sort of linguistic genders, even in the pronouns. surprised I just think that genders add an element of interest. Well, I'm not saying that aren't languages without gender, but all the linguistics features add to simplify the things in a language. And gender is one of the most used nowadays. As said zomp on the LCK: "Gender is remarkably persistent: it's persisted in the Indo-European, Semitic, and Bantu language families for at least five thousand years. It must be doing something useful."
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:42 am
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:22 am
Madoshk tends to do that. sweatdrop
The whole idea behind it was for it to be a challenge, after all. mad D
So I decided to be rid of all of the pronouns to make it difficult. And so far it's working.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:42 pm
mrgreen CONGRATULATIONS mrgreen One of the best things I ever saw on a livejournal was an icon that said, along with other grammar-spastic comments, "If you had a D, you wouldn't deserve congratulations."
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