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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:39 pm
AkureiKnight Actually it is her business when someone that has these views asks her out. She doesn't have to agree with it if she doesnt want to. It's trying to stop them from doing what they want to do that would be bad. There is a difference between hate and disagreement. For example: My mother doesn't really agree with me being a lesbian but she doesn't hate me for it. This example can happen else where. Such as I dont really agree that it's okay to do drugs but I dont hate people who do drugs. So maybe you should take your own advice because you're now the one judging another person. You have no right to call her as bad as the hate filled ******** such as Fred Phelps.. or those who wish to stop us from doing what we want to do with our lives and love who we want. She only expressed her disagreement with their way of life. I saw nothing of her saying that she hated them or that she was going to stop everyone that felt the way those people did. So cool your jets. There's no need to get personal. Thanks, Akurei. I'm loving the new avatar by the way.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:42 pm
Look guys, I see that my post was something controversial and I apologise. I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone and will think more before posting next time.
So let me rephrase my point: I feel monogamy is much more deep a relationship. No matter what gender it is with. That is my opinion and I do not mean to offend you if it is not yours as well.
I am not closed-minded if my opinion differs from yours.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:27 pm
Andrew - You know you DID say that she was just as bad as someone who hated the LGBT community. I can quote you if you'd like. Acutally I think I will. Andrewsarchus in space You're just as bad as the people who hate GLBT folk. stare All I wanted in the first place is for you to understand that maybe she didn't know much about Polyamory and that maybe post some info instead of just "being blunt" on how someone is acting. And seriously, Since Sarah appologized, I'd really like to stop arguing now. Yeah. That would be good. Sarah - You're welcome. And thanks as well. Now Im going to read that info on Polyamory
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:49 pm
And that's exactly what I meant... but "someone who hates the GLBT community" isn't exclusive to only the worst homophobes. Hate spans a large scale, from posting minor hateful messages on a forum like this, to punching people in locker-rooms for being gay, to holding widescale protests with a rationale that defies all logic and human decency. Just because some forms are worse than others doesn't mean only the worst one is hateful; there's a lowest common denominator. I'm only arguing this because you keep not understanding that I'm not at all saying her behavior was something as bad as the behaviors of those "higher-up" homophobes, and you appear to keep saying that it's what I meant when I'm the person who knows what I meant when I wrote that. :/ But plainly, it was hateful, as far as I saw it. She's apologized now and that's good, but that comment was in response to her initial post, not to her apology. Hatred towards polyamorous people is just as bad as hatred towards GLBT people. Period. Quote: I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone and will think more before posting next time. Thanks. Quote: So let me rephrase my point: I feel monogamy is much more deep a relationship. No matter what gender it is with. That is my opinion and I do not mean to offend you if it is not yours as well. I am not closed-minded if my opinion differs from yours. Your prerogative to have that opinion, certainly. But I don't think it's your place to be the judge of someone else's relationship -- it doesn't work for you, well, that doesn't mean that it's less deep for someone else. I don't see how there could possibly be an objective standard for the depth of a relationship. Isn't it about how the people involved in it experience their own feelings?
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:00 am
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING BUT YOUUUU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING
KTHXBAI
Edit: All Im saying is that just like with someone who hates gay people, you're not going to get anywhere by calling them closed minded and wrong. You have to teach them about gay people and be tollerant and respect them yourself if you want them to do the same.
Im not stupid. So please dont treat me like I am. I understood what you were saying.
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:23 pm
I get that. You made that point just fine. But you kept talking about how I was comparing her to people like Phelps (or "comparing Bush to Hitler") when I was not. That's all I was objecting to, okay? You don't seem to be getting that no matter how many times I say it. confused
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:54 pm
Andrewsarchus in space But plainly, it was hateful, as far as I saw it. But I don't think it's your place to be the judge of someone else's relationship -- it doesn't work for you, well, that doesn't mean that it's less deep for someone else. That was you inferring, nothing more. I don't hate polygamists, I just don't feel their relationships are the same as monogamists'.
I know it doesn't work for me, but if it works for you then fine but it still bums me out.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:55 pm
AkureiKnight Im not stupid. So please dont treat me like I am. I understood what you were saying. Yeah I noticed that too. And if I may add one more thing, do not treat me like my opinion is wrong and bad and evil because it's just a viewpoint that's different than yours.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:13 pm
I have mixed feelings about polygamy. I know one woman who lives with her husband and girlfriend and she is a very nice person, however I would never want that for myself, I would feel cheated.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:54 pm
SarahArden That was you inferring, nothing more. I don't hate polygamists, I just don't feel their relationships are the same as monogamists'. That's fine to have that opinion. The words you used were still hateful, even if you don't hate them, so I don't think my inferrence was too far off. But you've already apologized for this, so it's okay. Quote: I know it doesn't work for me, but if it works for you then fine but it still bums me out. I'm not asking you to change your gut feeling about it. I'm just saying that you can't really decide for someone else how deep their relationship is. Quote: And if I may add one more thing, do not treat me like my opinion is wrong and bad and evil because it's just a viewpoint that's different than yours. And here I thought it was you who was treating poly folk as being bad and evil to begin with. Silly me. I'm being just as civil as you are now, aren't I? Please don't be hypocritical and cite when I first responded to you angrily (and I do recognize that I certainly could have / should have done that more civilly) when your initial post was such as it was.
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:50 am
I'm not getting into little arguments with anyone, but honestly, I don't think that it's too bad. My girlfriend has a boyfriend, whom is an online boyfriend, so that means that she doesn't get to spend time with him, which can be bad, but it's also good for me. She spends time with me, which is awesome, because I can't spend time with my "online" girlfriend. I see that it's perfectly fine, although, if you asked me a couple months ago, I would have said that it's less loyal, basically cheating. I guess it depends on your mind status of that situation. That's my personal opinion, though.
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:53 pm
Agreed. I think you should either be in an open relationship with all genders, or you should be in a committed relationship with one person. Unless it's a threesome relationship. Though, from what I understand, those tend to get complicated.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:40 am
Well, it's mainly about our cultural norms. In general, European society never had the structure or "thing to look back to" for a structure for multipul lovers. Most people are taught from an early age that this is "bad".
However if you look at arabic or more broadly traditional muslim society (whereby the Qu'ran grants every male up to 4 wives - so long as he can give each a separate house and means to keep her happy without his presence), and in persia/turkey you have the tradition amongst the upper strata of the harem. But that's beside the point. You also have that one amizonian culture where women will have up 6-7 husbands.
Really I think it depends on the cultural norms and the amount of the generalized "equality" of the sexes.
I don't particularly care what people do in their personal lives, but I could never stomach more than just my selected love and myself. That'd be twice the hassle and only half the benefit ::Joke::.
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