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This is actually the offical Libertarian Party position. You can get information about our parties official position on it's website.

www.LP.org.

(Just in case anybody doesn't know about it already.)

P.S. Can anybody tell me why this keeps happening when I try to trim my quotes?

ill fill it even more awesomerly like.

Tsar Bomba (54 megatons largest bomb ever), Tucson (lol i better get to Alaska quick), 50% of 1.5 mill is illegal (known from experience)

if they want a fair oppertunity then they can wait in line and become an american citizen like everyone else does. its bullshit that they want to give them a valid drivers license, thats saying its ok to be here. our borders need to be better controlled ive been to california. its impossible to do anything there unless you know spanish, especially in smaller towns. i had to ask for the manager to get service at a mcdonalds cuz the person taking orders couldnt speak english. i have no problem with foreign languages. i have no problem with foreigners, i have no problem with mexicans. i just want to be able to travel my country without having to learn a different language when i go south. they dont pay taxes(even tho i dont think we should hafta pay as many as we do) thats not fair to us. they basically get a free ride with healthcare and everything else they need and dont pay a dime into the system...

Maybe I'm strange, but...

These "illegal aliens" you refer to are people. Yes, they are trying to better their life and that may not be a legit excuse, but it's still a damn good one. If conditions here in America (which I don't think they are) are so much better in their eyes compared to their country then why not let them live here?

And most of the time we force these people to learn English so why can't we take the time to learn their language? We're not forced so by all means no has to learn it, but why must they have to conform to English? It's hypocritical if you ask me...

Oh, and I'm not attacking anyone personally just stating my opinion as you all did.

Anyway, I despise the term "illegal alien" because they're people who are biologically the same as us with emotions and all of that stuff. They're just culturally different than us and it's sad that we can't accept that.

I know it's horrible that our government promises Americans who have lived her their entire lives to fix their problems and then hand it to these people, but America has always been about appeasing and making sure foreigners have positive views of us...and yet if you don't know Spanish or whatever language you have no clue what's being said about you behind your back..and I'm sure ever culture has a few choice words to call us Americans...

We so don't know the meaning of diversity at all. I might feel differently I suppose if my job had been taken by these people, but you know I find that they will do the jobs that American's won't get off their a** to do.

I hate being disappointed in America and its people.

They can live here. But they have to obey the law like everyone else, including the laws governing immigration.



When you move to another country you learn their language and, to some degree, conform to their culture. To do otherwise is disrespectful. My ancestors learned English when they moved here from Italy and Germany, why can't Mexican immigrants learn English too?

Diversity is one thing, but it's important for a country to be unified as well. Yes, there's a lot of political division, but at the end of the day you can still sit down and have a friendly conversation with the other person. Only that doesn't work if you don't speak the same language. The idea is that language is a unifying factor. Don't believe that crap about the U.S. being a mosaic. It's a melting pot.

And what about all the other immigrants? Trying to learn spanish so as not to be unfair to Mexicans would be discrimination against a whole horde of legal immigrants from other countries. On which subject, I've met people who put forth the opinion that doing things in spanish is actually disrespectful to Mexican immigrants because it's patronizing. Because--their words, not mine--it implies that Mexicans and other Hispanics are the only ethnicity too stupid to learn English. Which is not the case, so why the unequal treatment?



On that subject, I'm hoping this post reads more like a debate than an attack. It's intended as a debate.



lolz, if they're biologically the same try going to Mexico and drinking the same water as them. They're people too, yes, but what's wrong with acknowledging differences?

The culture isn't the issue, the legal/illegal thing is. As far as culture goes, most are catholic, which is already big here. The food is popular. As far as the stereotype of them frequenting cheap stores... well, who doesn't like a good deal when they're short on money? (I got this awesome jean jacket at a thrift store awhile ago...) The biggest (most problematic) cultural difference I can think of is that (and I have this from someone who lived in Mexico for several weeks to help out a family as part of a project) driving drunk is not illegal there. And then there's the computer thing, but computers can be learned. Now imagine the cultural differences faced by someone coming from say, Iran. Different religion, clothes, language, body language, social hierarchy, etc.



I think every culture has a few choice words to say about every other culture. I'll agree that the government generally sucks. Do you mean foreign countries or foreigners in the U.S.?

What do you mean by treated like dirt? Yeah, I've heard the 'just kill 'em' thing, but with some exceptions I attribute it more to frustration over the disrespect for the law, both by those in power and by illegal immigrants themselves, than to a genuine desire to have anyone killed.

But beyond the talk... It seems like they're just treated like people. People doing menial jobs who don't speak English well, but still people. Some of them are taken advantage of, which is the stereotype. But some get paid prior to working, do a horrible job, don't finish, and then leave for a different state (personal experience). And then there are the people who pay them more than the job deserves, because they feel sorry for them. And yes, there are people like that around. It just varies.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for people who go to France and expect everyone to cater to someone who doesn't know the language. Actually, I seem to remember hearing about something like that happening to someone... the French mostly knew English, but refused to speak it because they were annoyed by the lack of effort to learn their language. I seem to recall laughing at the person in question.

There are ways to learn another language without paying... at least, for Mexicans to learn English. If your native language is Tagalog or something, you're pretty much screwed. I've heard many people use television... watch it in one language with subtitles in another for example. Then there's the fact that everything seems to be printed in English and Spanish, from trash/basura signs to cereal boxes to election material. And I might add, I'm really not pleased about that last one.

There are libraries that may or may not have books and DVDs on language learning. Also, the libraries have computers, and I think in my area the library computers come equipped with Rosetta Stone. Last year I volunteered (as part of a class) at an elementary school in a high crime, high hispanic area, and the school had a community outreach type program that welcomed everyone in the community, regardless of whether or not they had kids at that school, to come learn to use the computers and the Rosetta Stone program to learn English. There are programs out there. Enough of them that as far as learning the language goes, I think Mexicans probably have it easier than someone who speaks a different language.

Politics is all about appeasement. But America is a great country. It has its faults, but so does every other country. And another issue is safety. We have very little terrorism here compared to some countries in Europe, largely because of geographical isolation, I think. We have freedom of speech (to a degree), and we're generally less socialistic than Europe. I am by no means happy with the political situation here or with the nanny government thing, and it'd be really great if we could actually own property. But on the whole, it beats the alternatives.

I'm against immigration quotas, but if they come here they need to do it legally. If they don't, then they won't have the appropriate paperwork which in many cases means identity theft.

This is how you write when you're pissed off? I tend to be a lot more sarcastic and insulting, even if I'm not mad at the specific person I'm arguing with.

smile Agree to disagree then...

But, for conversation's sake: your area is probably no more ignorant than mine. I didn't know about the school's program until I volunteered there, for example. I only know about the use of Rosetta Stone in the library because someone I know works there and talks about helping people use the computers. That sort of thing just takes place sort of... under the surface, I guess. It isn't publicized. People find out by word of mouth. And there were no white kids at that school. Zero. 100% black and hispanic (mostly hispanic), except for the teachers.

If it happens in my area, I think it probably happens more than people realize. I just recently found out about the library thing... maybe check the computers if you're in a library sometime? They may have it... I don't know how widespread that sort of thing is.

But, my area is not kindly disposed to illegal immigrants. Have you heard of Joe Arpaio? That's my area.