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Is this a bit much?
No, this should be taxed, it applys to the IRS.
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No way, too much not my ebay items!
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Total Votes : 17


Tanasha

PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:02 am


Jahoclave
Well the good news is that our politicians are doing a good enough job of ******** up reforming social security so that it will default by 2024, which is also interestingly the first election in which I could run for president. So the key is to keep the politicians from coming up with a plan to save it.


Gee, failing by 2040 and resulting in old people having to take benefit cuts, or failing in 2024 and taking the entire stock market with it, tough call...

I need to run for president in 2020, on the platform that I'd keep stupid bullshit from becoming law. Then I'd have a new cabinate member devoted entirely to looking at pending laws and finding s**t to use to make the law look like a horrible idea in the eyes of the public using layman's terms so I could veto it for an increase in popularity.

After a few resume stains (And probably more than a few assassination attempts) politicians would hesitate to pass any legislation that they weren't sure couldn't be held against them.

At that point, I'd have my staff start writing legislation which would then be "suggested" to people in the house and senate, giving me quite a bit of control over two of the three branches.

The hard part would be running for president, but I think a promise to cut taxes across the board by 50% while reducing spending would do it - especially if I have a list of what exactly would be cut, and why.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:36 pm


Tanasha


The hard part would be running for president, but I think a promise to cut taxes across the board by 50% while reducing spending would do it - especially if I have a list of what exactly would be cut, and why.


Uh, hasn't EVERY Libertarian canidate run on a platform of cutting taxes? We haven't won a race yet, due to funding and advertizing problems. A lot of people out there still haven't even HEARD of the L.P. These problems will probably affect your campaign as it has every other Libertarian Canidate's. You need a lot more than "I'm going to cut Taxes" to get you intothe White House, as EVERY Libertarian Presidental hopeful has proven since we were started. Oh, and speaking of Presidential hopefuls, Jim Burns is one of them hoping to win the nomination. I don't think fe's what we're looking for, though. He seems to think he's going to FORCE Libertarianism on the country, a very Un-Libertarian idea. His campaign site is (www.jimburnsforpresident.us) Please promise you won't be like him when you run.

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Tanasha

PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:40 pm


High_Assassin
Tanasha


The hard part would be running for president, but I think a promise to cut taxes across the board by 50% while reducing spending would do it - especially if I have a list of what exactly would be cut, and why.


Uh, hasn't EVERY Libertarian canidate run on a platform of cutting taxes? We haven't won a race yet, due to funding and advertizing problems. A lot of people out there still haven't even HEARD of the L.P. These problems will probably affect your campaign as it has every other Libertarian Canidate's. You need a lot more than "I'm going to cut Taxes" to get you intothe White House, as EVERY Libertarian Presidental hopeful has proven since we were started. Oh, and speaking of Presidential hopefuls, Jim Burns is one of them hoping to win the nomination. I don't think fe's what we're looking for, though. He seems to think he's going to FORCE Libertarianism on the country, a very Un-Libertarian idea. His campaign site is (www.jimburnsforpresident.us) Please promise you won't be like him when you run.


I don't visit campaign sites; they are invariably a constant state of null content and infinate fluff. How is he out to force libertarianism on people?

I have 15 years to plan all this out; any issues I could base my campaign on will likely be moot by then. The only constants in this case are taxes and the libertarian ideals.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:52 pm


I dunno, I'm thinking blue jeans and t-shirts for my campaign. Along with a lot of not being politically correct about everything. Maybe it just stems from the fact that I hate campaigns these days because they all come off as, lets see who can spend the most money to slander the other guy.

I honestly think a canidate could score a few thousand votes just by not running commericals untill a week before. And those commericals consisting mainly of. "Hey, I didn't run commericials slandering the other canidates for the last six months."

As far as I see it, the party could really use a good celebrity canidate. No real intention of him getting elected. But famous enough to get the message out there to people.

People are quite misinformed from what I gather from those I know in real life.

Jahoclave


High_Assassin
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:12 am


We are kinda off topic here, so let me get us back to those hated taxes. What do you people think of the National Sales Tax idea? There's a great blog on it on LP.org, but I want to know what the Libertarains I actually know think. In my opinion, its a great idea. Here are a couple of reasons.

1: As there are less businesses than working Americans in the U.S., it would become much easier for the I.R.S. to audit and catch tax evaders.

2:This would allow easier tax breaks for the poor, by not taxing Items below a "Poverty threshold" which nwould make them more likely to be purchased by the poor. For example, a pair of $10 shoes would not be taxed, but a pair of $250 Nike's would be taxed. (If your spending $250 on shoes, you can afford to pay taxes.)

3: When people see how much the price skyrockets from non-taxed items to taxed items, they are going to figure taxes are too high, and Demand they be lowered. (I live in Florida, where we already have a Sales Tax. A $0.99 item cost $1.06 at the counter. I expect a National Sales tax to operate the same way.)

4: No one would actually HAVE to pay taxes if they didn't want to. Business owners would simply add the tax to the price and keep their earnings the way they do now. And anyone who didn't want to pay taxes would simply buy the low cost, non taxed items mentioned above. (Like the $10 shoes.)

Thats my position on the issue. (This should probably be in my "Issues in the Media" thread, but this thread already adresses taxes.)
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:47 pm


Ok here is where I am having a major problem. I abosolutely hate the IRS. You people have absolutely no idea just how bad I hate these people. In fact the only folks I hate more are my own state's revenue service. I am about 100% in favor of the FairTax. Do any of you know what this is? Well first it is not a reform. It would completely replace federal income taxes including, personal, estate, gift, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes. Everyone, yes EVERYONE would pay 23% sales tax on all new goods and services. In this system necessities up to the poverty level would not be taxed therefore everyone, yes again EVERYONE would receive a rebate check to cover those taxes each month. How much more fair could it be? Now there will still be those who refuse to work. Well those people would receive a check each month (assuming it is a single person) of $178 per month. No more. And that money would not be taxed. There are those who will continue to work so the guy who makes $25k a year would be able to take it all home with the exception of state taxes and any insurance or retirement funds. So in effect he is getting of a raise of 6k (3k not taken out for social security, 1k not taken out for Medicaid and Medicare plus 2k received annually in the form of rebates.) Now what do you think this guy is going to do with that money? He might save it. It is also likely that he will spend it thereby putting more money back into this system. Now what about the guy who makes 100k per year? He will also receive that same $178 per month in the form of those rebates. Like I stated before EVERYONE gets this rebate. But, if he goes out and buys a $100,000 boat, he pays $23,000 in tax.

Every time a person buys something, he is taxed 23% on that purchase. So when Joe Schmuck buys a Lexus, he pays 23% tax on it. Do you think that people are going to stop buying things. I doubt it seriously. There are always those who will want the latest fashions, the latest cars and diamonds. It is their choice and they will have to pay the tax for these things. And actually the more they buy the more goes into the system. Harvard economists have stated more revenue would end up flowing into Federal coffers. Now these monies can help to make social security solvent again or they may be used to build our military back up to what it needs to be. But the bottom line is that everyone will have more money from the government on down to Fanny Fatass who sits at home watching Oprah all day.

Also someone mentioned teens who babysit to make money. Right now those people are not taxed at all. As someone else stated those folks are in the lower income brackets and it is really not worth the IRS's while to audit them. But lets say that Tami Teenager makes $2000 in a year baby sitting. If she buys the latest copy of Seventeen or a new makeup kit, she pays the tax. If, however, she saves her money and buys a used Honda Civic. She doesn't pay the tax. Used goods are not taxed. That would mean that the folks who buy used items on Ebay would not have to pay any tax. And the folks who make the money from selling these used items would not pay tax unless they took that money and bought new items with it. Think about all the drug dealers out there making millions upon millions of dollars every year. Right now they are not taxed. There is so much money the government is losing each year from "black market" money. That same drug dealer would pay the tax as soon as he buys something new. And guess what? Even he would get the $178 rebate.

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Black Carpathia

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:23 pm


the IRS shouldnt tax privately sold items. to me it would be the same as taxing items at a yard sale.
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:25 pm


Black Carpathia
the IRS shouldnt tax privately sold items. to me it would be the same as taxing items at a yard sale.
PLEASE! DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS! THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY TRY IT!

High_Assassin
Captain


Digital Leviathan

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 8:49 pm


I don't think they should. Whatever the item is, it was probably already taxed. Say I buy a shirt, I already paid tax on it. Or make a shirt, I paid tax on the fabric. It's taxing it twice... though... personally I think it shouldn't have been even taxed in the first place.
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 10:50 am


I hope this doesn't turn out to be true. I'd hate the idea of eBay being taxable. The Internet is supposed to be a last haven from taxation and government regulation. If this gets passed, there'll be no end to the IRS' power.

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Strideo

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:18 pm


Shinobi_1977
I hope this doesn't turn out to be true. I'd hate the idea of eBay being taxable. The Internet is supposed to be a last haven from taxation and government regulation. If this gets passed, there'll be no end to the IRS' power.


If we could get HR25 passed and implement the Fair Tax we wouldn't have to worry about this.
Why?
a. no tax on used items
b. no more IRS biggrin
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:14 pm


Yeah the Fair Tax sounds like a good idea. That way no one's really paying a tax, just a fee on goods and services rendered. You get to keep more of your own money, so the 23% tax isn't that noticeable. HR 25 has my vote.

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Sinew
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:19 pm


another nice thing is: every citizen gets the rebate. that means illegal aliens and foreign tourists pay taxes. prostitution and marijuana would still go tax-free though.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:52 am


Sinew
another nice thing is: every citizen gets the rebate. that means illegal aliens and foreign tourists pay taxes. prostitution and marijuana would still go tax-free though.


Ture, but those who earn their incomes by selling marijuana or prostitution obviously don't pay income tax now, so under the Fairtax they would contribute to our tax base when they purchased items and services at retail establishments. After all drug dealers have to shop fer clothes too xp

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Sinew
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:33 pm


Strideo
Sinew
another nice thing is: every citizen gets the rebate. that means illegal aliens and foreign tourists pay taxes. prostitution and marijuana would still go tax-free though.


Ture, but those who earn their incomes by selling marijuana or prostitution obviously don't pay income tax now, so under the Fairtax they would contribute to our tax base when they purchased items and services at retail establishments. After all drug dealers have to shop fer clothes too xp


true. i was just making a semi-reference to the effects of the abolishment of corporation taxes, to balance the statement with industry-side and consumer-side comments... another failure at making my writing aesthetically tickling =p
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