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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:35 pm
Socika Plants dont have central nervous system... Yeah i'd hope we've evolved to a point we don't need to kill as a ritual. And yes people have been hunting and fishing for years, but were we meant to? Just look your teeth in the mirror, all the meat eating mammals have long, pointy canines exept for us, now isn't that an undeniable sign from our creator that we shouldn't eat it? our teeth are those like other omnivore's giving us the ability to eat both meat and plant. Quote: You do know that for every pound of meat over 10 pounds of plant food are used, with all that extra food we could easily feed everyone who'd starving in africa. Cool Lets kill off all the pigs, horses, deer, and all the other animals on the face of the earth... We would than an abundance of plant matter then. My point was sometimes people, animals or other things has to die for something else to live. In the womb, and while you grow up, a number of cells has to die off or you wouldn't be who you are. We see it in the smallest examples to the biggest. If you don't kill it, it will just die any how and become a feast for something else.. even if it is just worms and flies. Quote: So those holydays are cool cuz your dad prays than, does that mean a lot to you? More than you could possibly know. though, why do you spell holiday... holy day? just wondering. As I don't see a holiday being a holy day. In fact I don't see any day as being holy.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:20 pm
Socika jaden kendam Jeremiah 10:2-4 appears to prohibit the practice of Christmas Trees. Someone used that as a reason that no Christian or Jew should ever have a Christmas tree. Normally, I would just look it up and see how it was taken out of context or used for a group of people that it was not meant for, but I decided I would ask this guilds members. What's the point of christmas trees anyway? Killing trees, creating more work of no reason and making a mess. I have replanted all three real Christmas trees I have had in the past 20 years and they have all taken root and survive to this day. I still have the fake 8 foot Christmas tree that my parents bought when I was born. No real mess involved if you know what you are doing. Like throwing the needles in the area where you have a garden. If it snows over that area, so much the better. Socika Have a christmas tree desktop like I do it's much more nature friendly. How nature friendly is a computer really? They aren't bio degradable. Depending upon where you live, your electricity may come from a nuclear plant. Batteries are not that environment friendly either.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:25 pm
Socika But your explanation still doesn't say why innoccent turkeys have to pay the price, you can just as easily stuff yourself with mash potatoes. Some people are allergic to starches, milks, greens, so eating meat is a more viable option for them. If you say soy, then there are allergies to soy as well. People's back teeth are for grinding, they have incisors for slicing and canines (the points ones) for piercing and ripping. Humans mouths are the mouths of omnivores which means the eating of both plant and animal. Besides, lots of innocent animals are killed while making farmland, farming said farmland, and harvesting said farmland. Socika 2. So yaay look at the pretty chicken babies dyed red! Yum Most eggs are not fertilized before going to the grocery store, so using the term baby is an appeal to emotion.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:29 pm
Socika So those holydays are cool cuz your dad prays than, does that mean a lot to you? Thanksgiving and the Fourth of July are not holydays. Some people pray on those days, but they are US national Holidays, not Christian celebration days. If you had a typo, then my mistake.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:59 pm
Socika Shanna66 turkey because its yummy and i hate ham easter eggs because painting is fun, i love boiled eggs, and why wouldnt i want to eat my art? and fireworks because they are pretty and make loud noises Thanks giving is a horrible holyday alltogether, it's a celebration of how white people slaughter native americans, and now each year you're killing millions of turkeys who I can't help but think represent native americans. Eggs aren't exactly the healthiest food around and you can paint golf balls just the same. Fireworks make loud noises and scare thousands-millions of animals, it is basicly animal cruelty. And fake tree makes a smaller mess but still a mess a lot of work and are you honestly saying that decorating t is enjoyable to each their own i guess, i love my holidays smile
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:55 pm
Socika 1. Ok ty for ediucating me on the thanks giving all i ever saw about it was from movies, guess they misrepresented it. But your explanation still doesn't say why innoccent turkeys have to pay the price, you can just as easily stuff yourself with mash potatoes. Don't know. I'm assuming its because it was feast meat that was at one point relatively inexpensive and feeds a large number of people. It's probably been going on for so long that no one thinks about why it's turkey. Again you don't have to have turkey, or any meat, if you don't want to. Edit: Though as someone brought up, more animals are killed during harvesting of crops and vegetables than those killed that are actually raised for meat. Quote: 2. So yaay look at the pretty chicken babies dyed red! Yum ... okay? Quote: 3. No 4th of July here, I'm just hoping my rants will maybe make someone think twice before doing it Ah got you. Fair enough. Though it's funny that my country's Environmental Protection Agency hasn't made a fuss over fireworks and its effects on wildlife.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:21 pm
Socika Why does everybody assume I'll jump into religious debates at every point just because I'm an atheist It has nothing to do with you being an atheist. There are a few people in this guild that are atheists, some regular posters, and one of the crew members here is an atheist. If anything it's because you come off as hostile and aggressive in your posts. Maybe we aren't familiar with your posting style or style of humor but you come off as intentionally trying to get a rise out of people here.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:37 pm
We don't have any ritualistic animal sacrifices. fireworks usage is declining. So no need to.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:45 pm
Southern_cross_nemesis Socika Plants dont have central nervous system... Yeah i'd hope we've evolved to a point we don't need to kill as a ritual. And yes people have been hunting and fishing for years, but were we meant to? Just look your teeth in the mirror, all the meat eating mammals have long, pointy canines exept for us, now isn't that an undeniable sign from our creator that we shouldn't eat it? our teeth are those like other omnivore's giving us the ability to eat both meat and plant. Quote: You do know that for every pound of meat over 10 pounds of plant food are used, with all that extra food we could easily feed everyone who'd starving in africa. Cool Lets kill off all the pigs, horses, deer, and all the other animals on the face of the earth... We would than an abundance of plant matter then. My point was sometimes people, animals or other things has to die for something else to live. In the womb, and while you grow up, a number of cells has to die off or you wouldn't be who you are. We see it in the smallest examples to the biggest. If you don't kill it, it will just die any how and become a feast for something else.. even if it is just worms and flies. Quote: So those holydays are cool cuz your dad prays than, does that mean a lot to you? More than you could possibly know. though, why do you spell holiday... holy day? just wondering. As I don't see a holiday being a holy day. In fact I don't see any day as being holy. 1. Bears are omnivores and their canines are massive, as are all the others so nope, doesn't match. 2. Well I wasn't talking about killing all the pigs, simply stop breading cows chickens pigs... it'll take all of 5 years process to stop killing and have 10 times more food. But of course that'll be cruel, cuz world without a hot dog just isn't worth living in right? 3. Alrighty if it means that much than sure enjoy it. Do you think the holidays will fail if the menu changes? And sorry about misspelling my english was self taught fromn movies, they don't exaxctly teach you how to spell
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:49 pm
Fake trees aren't bio degradable eighter and they're used 2 weeks a year while computers are used 367 days a year. And my electricity comes from hydro powerplant.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:55 pm
Yeah there are tonns of alergies, but so far I haven't seen anyone alergic to grain, dairy, vegetables, fruit and nuts. (at the same time) And meat is just discusting.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:14 am
Socika Southern_cross_nemesis Socika Plants dont have central nervous system... Yeah i'd hope we've evolved to a point we don't need to kill as a ritual. And yes people have been hunting and fishing for years, but were we meant to? Just look your teeth in the mirror, all the meat eating mammals have long, pointy canines exept for us, now isn't that an undeniable sign from our creator that we shouldn't eat it? our teeth are those like other omnivore's giving us the ability to eat both meat and plant. Quote: You do know that for every pound of meat over 10 pounds of plant food are used, with all that extra food we could easily feed everyone who'd starving in africa. Cool Lets kill off all the pigs, horses, deer, and all the other animals on the face of the earth... We would than an abundance of plant matter then. My point was sometimes people, animals or other things has to die for something else to live. In the womb, and while you grow up, a number of cells has to die off or you wouldn't be who you are. We see it in the smallest examples to the biggest. If you don't kill it, it will just die any how and become a feast for something else.. even if it is just worms and flies. Quote: So those holydays are cool cuz your dad prays than, does that mean a lot to you? More than you could possibly know. though, why do you spell holiday... holy day? just wondering. As I don't see a holiday being a holy day. In fact I don't see any day as being holy. 1. Bears are omnivores and their canines are massive, as are all the others so nope, doesn't match. 2. Well I wasn't talking about killing all the pigs, simply stop breading cows chickens pigs... it'll take all of 5 years process to stop killing and have 10 times more food. But of course that'll be cruel, cuz world without a hot dog just isn't worth living in right? 3. Alrighty if it means that much than sure enjoy it. Do you think the holidays will fail if the menu changes? And sorry about misspelling my english was self taught fromn movies, they don't exaxctly teach you how to spell there are loads of omnivores with different teeth. rats dont have canines at all and they hunt. not to mention compare our teeth to that of chimps who are also omnivores
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:13 am
This has just become tiresome really...
I think you should educate yourself a bit more as to traditions before you go and start attacking them, Socika...
There isn't any different ritual in killing a turkey, than there is in killing a chicken,cow, sheep, or pig... and yes, it is a sad truth to life, but it is there... and the world does not produce enough plantlife for it to sustain every living human and animal... there is a food-chain for a reason...
A turkey feeds more people who gather at the table, and allot of people gather at Thanksgiving here in the States... We eat turkey for Christmas, and funerals and several other functions as well... It just happened to become a mascot for Thanksgiving....
Even here where I live... it is fields as far as the eye can see... one hundred years ago it was all swamp land... Since the land was drained for farming, several animals in this area went extinct, and many of the natural predators were hunted to the point of endangerment, because they were a threat to people, and livestock that were moving into the area to plant the fields...
Now, 100 years later, there are over-populaces of deer, and other animals, who have no natural predators anymore. The bears, wolves, and cougars have been driven out of the area... Now there a mass epidemics of diseases that wipe out areas of deer, and many of the diseases they get are spreadable to cattle, and horses here...
Yet even then, you would feel bad that these animals must be hunted to decrease their numbers so that there can be a HEALTHY population?
... And if you take your argument to the direction of how the land shouldn't have been altered in the first place... well... even with the massive amounts of land all over the world that has been converted to farmland, it still isn't enough to keep all of the populations of the world fed... EVEN when we are eating meat along with our vegetables... and even now, the issue of where to get our food as the population increases, and the food supply diminishes is the major concern of the UN...
And you can speak of so many alternatives that are being considered such as hydroponics, and other certain miracles that have been in science and environmental journals, but even they come with their negative sides... I know, I have seen many of those possible alternatives first hand...
Then you go in and talk up how computers are better than fake trees for the environment? That shows incredible ignorance on your part... environmentally AND politically... Many of the parts on your computer are not even recyclable when they go out... every part of a fake tree is... Part of a computer are TOXIC, a fake tree just isn't considered biodegradable.
The silicon and other mineral parts of your computer probably came from regions of Africa where people are enslaved as miners... Yet there aren't any other places on the earth where the minerals can be found that go into computer parts... Have you ever heard of blood diamonds... Well, diamonds are not the only minerals that people are killed for...
And whole populations of animals are being killed in the regions where those mines are because the people who do these things couldn't care less about the environment... Regional pollution is a very real danger in those areas...
Your self righteous crap about how the poor animals suffer for holiday traditions, and how fake trees are killing our environment... Yet computers are an important part of everyday life ... is an argument that truly makes you seem all talk, when you have taken no time to see how eating meat can help, and how computers hurt...
And why the hell would you even care about attacking plastic trees, when there are so many other forms of unnecessary waste going on in such a larger scale every hour of every day?
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:49 am
Shanna66 there are loads of omnivores with different teeth. rats dont have canines at all and they hunt. not to mention compare our teeth to that of chimps who are also omnivores Rats are rodents... But chimps are a good example yeah:  Just look at the size of those canines.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:15 am
Socika Fake trees aren't bio degradable eighter and they're used 2 weeks a year while computers are used 367 days a year. And my electricity comes from hydro powerplant. I hate to do this, but can you definitively prove that all fake trees are not biodegradable and they are only used 2 weeks out of a year? Most people I know put their trees up at the end of November and leave them up until the second week of January. You are the one who acted like a tree on a computer was so much better than anything because fake trees are not biodegradeable. Using the, it doesn't degrade in a good way for the environment argument and trying to refute said object with something else that doesn't degrade in a good way is a bad argument. It would be better to say that you put up a cactus in your house for Christmas as some people in the south western US do. 365 is the actual number.
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