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 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:07 am
Eltanin Sadachbia Woe= Sorrow, Distress, Grief In the passage you refer to, He was likening the cities he mentioned to the cities of Sodom and Gamorrah, because they were full of people who would rather ignore signs sent from God rather than attempt to turn from their own selfishness... What Jesus was saying here was that Sodom and Gamorrah didn't have any signs from God to encourage them to repent, and they were destroyed none-the-less... Whereas, the cities that He had visited had actual displays of God's power, and they chose to ignore that and continue in their selfishness... The passage is a warning to those people that they would find more sorrow at Judgment than the cities that were destroyed without having the benefits of seeing examples of God's power. He was talking to His own Disciples about the grief awaiting those who deliberately choose to ignore God when He is trying to reach them... A warning that all Christians are aware of... This is not a green-light for Christians to march out and call down God's Judgment on individuals who we feel are ignoring God. There is a difference between being a sinner, and deliberately living in sin, and Jesus was speaking to his men about deliberately continuing in a sinful manner. Better explanation then I could ever come up with XD
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:08 am
Socika So not repenting for gluttony or drunkness is reason for death? Than why don't we kill fat people and drunks? And without tax collectors goverments would fail and we'd have chaos. He's coverd in blood and marching with an army... And lambs blood, of course killing animals for any reason that's always ok. Everyone spreads rummons, lies and hate, and rare repent, the worlds population right now would be about 15000 if we killed everyone who does that. As for spreading rumors, lies, and hate, we live in a world full of sin. It may not seem fair right now that they get away with it, or that they seem to have perfect lives etc, but God has a plan for the tough things we go through, and they will get judged when that day comes. I think the best thing we can do is try to be good examples to others, be what we want to see in others, and be filled with LOVE!!! heart xd
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:31 am
Well we know that he can sit sence he has a throne in heaven, which would lead someone to assume he's material. And if he's material while maybe complex he can be disected and studied should we manage to actually get our hands on him. So potencially we could coprehand him. And sence he is material he cannot be his own fater, beacuse he'd have to exist before making himself and that's self contradictory.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:38 am
Socika Well we know that he can sit sence he has a throne in heaven, which would lead someone to assume he's material. And if he's material while maybe complex he can be disected and studied should we manage to actually get our hands on him. So potencially we could coprehand him. And sence he is material he cannot be his own fater, beacuse he'd have to exist before making himself and that's self contradictory. -sigh- There is no physical form of God, except Christ. The Throne of God is a symbolic thing, not something to take literally.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:38 am
arika-toteshi-ka Socika So not repenting for gluttony or drunkness is reason for death? Than why don't we kill fat people and drunks? And without tax collectors goverments would fail and we'd have chaos. He's coverd in blood and marching with an army... And lambs blood, of course killing animals for any reason that's always ok. Everyone spreads rummons, lies and hate, and rare repent, the worlds population right now would be about 15000 if we killed everyone who does that. It's not that he hated tax collectors, it's that back then, many were overcharging people and keeping the extra money. In Matthew 17: 24-27, tax collectors went to Peter and Jesus, and while Jesus didn't have to pay the tax, he did so out of respect, and had Peter catch a fish and there was money in it's mouth. And again in Matthew 22: 15-22, the Pharisees wanted to trap Jesus in his words, so they asked him if it right to pay taxes to Caesar, and in verse 20 Jesus asks "whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" 21 "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." Oh and now they're not? How much did clintins hair cut cost again? Or the private jets and all the other extra expences people in the goverment make? Give to god what's his? Ok what is his? Actually I have no idea what god's doing, well he is suppose to control earth, and he's doing a lousy job, I'd say show him the door. In any decently run universe he'd have been out on his all powerfull a** a long time ago.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:42 am
arika-toteshi-ka Socika So not repenting for gluttony or drunkness is reason for death? Than why don't we kill fat people and drunks? And without tax collectors goverments would fail and we'd have chaos. He's coverd in blood and marching with an army... And lambs blood, of course killing animals for any reason that's always ok. Everyone spreads rummons, lies and hate, and rare repent, the worlds population right now would be about 15000 if we killed everyone who does that. As for spreading rumors, lies, and hate, we live in a world full of sin. It may not seem fair right now that they get away with it, or that they seem to have perfect lives etc, but God has a plan for the tough things we go through, and they will get judged when that day comes. I think the best thing we can do is try to be good examples to others, be what we want to see in others, and be filled with LOVE!!! heart xd Well considering what a mess he's made down here I wouldn't risk heaven I'd volounteer for hell, it looks like satan is doing a better job.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:50 am
Qyp Socika Well we know that he can sit sence he has a throne in heaven, which would lead someone to assume he's material. And if he's material while maybe complex he can be disected and studied should we manage to actually get our hands on him. So potencially we could coprehand him. And sence he is material he cannot be his own fater, beacuse he'd have to exist before making himself and that's self contradictory. -sigh- There is no physical form of God, except Christ. The Throne of God is a symbolic thing, not something to take literally. So the bible isn't suppose to be taken litterally? Of course not! It's only the foundational document for millions of people worldwide, the perfect devinely inspired word of the allmighty god. Of course a perfect god would create an imperfect bible.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:51 am
Socika Well we know that he can sit sence he has a throne in heaven, which would lead someone to assume he's material. And if he's material while maybe complex he can be disected and studied should we manage to actually get our hands on him. So potencially we could coprehand him. And sence he is material he cannot be his own fater, beacuse he'd have to exist before making himself and that's self contradictory. Allot of this talk of likening things in the realm of spirit is so that we, in the physical have a comparison to start us on the road to understanding... To think of God as material, I feel, puts limits on what He can cannot do... But I also do not take the Bible as all-is-literal... There are some things we try hard to understand, but we cannot yet... Just like in the days of Columbus, there were people who just could not understand that the world was not flat, but others could only think that it must be round... It is a matter of personal conviction and revelation... Many branches, but not all, of Christianity holds that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are One yet Three... The One-and-Three concept isn't an idea that is exclusive to Christianity though. Whether you can grasp or accept that or not is not what makes you a Christian, or Heaven bound... To try and explain it in understandable English (or whatever language is your primary) is to over-simplify the very idea of it. It is a mystery of the religion, but I think every Christian who believes in the Trinity has tried to explain it. You either don't understand, or you have had this spiritual epiphany that you can't quite put in understandable language...
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:52 am
Socika Qyp Socika Well we know that he can sit sence he has a throne in heaven, which would lead someone to assume he's material. And if he's material while maybe complex he can be disected and studied should we manage to actually get our hands on him. So potencially we could coprehand him. And sence he is material he cannot be his own fater, beacuse he'd have to exist before making himself and that's self contradictory. -sigh- There is no physical form of God, except Christ. The Throne of God is a symbolic thing, not something to take literally. So the bible isn't suppose to be taken litterally? Of course not! It's only the foundational document for millions of people worldwide, the perfect devinely inspired word of the allmighty god. Of course a perfect god would create an imperfect bible. The bible is man written, Man is imperfect... God did not just drop it out of the sky... Also, how old are you? I just hope English is not your first language...
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:11 am
Many Christians say that the bible was "Written by God" but it was not... It is a book put together by men. It is a book of compiled notes, literature, prophecy, and laws that is said to have been "Inspired by God". It has been re-translated hundreds of times (if not thousands), and all of those translations were done by man... Even if God DID actually write the original, men would have at least messed some of it up anyway. You see how screwed up the organized religion of Christianity is... There are so many factions trying to raise their voices over the others, that the real message gets lost in the noise... So many Christians feel like every opinion they or their pastor/priest has formed is the end-all-do-all to God's Will... ...And allot of this is because so many Christians read the Bible as a History book, a Religious instruction guide, and the Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Universe... There are even those who would use it as THE ONLY Textbook in schools if you would let them... Who needs algebra, let's build an ark! Anyway, you have glaring examples of how trying to take a Spiritual text as literal History all the way through can be detrimental, because history is skewed by those who win, and reading it centuries later means using personal interpretation, and NO ONE is going to get the 100% same ideas from the same material... A religious text is meant to expand on an individual's spiritual level, not to teach textbook history and sociology. Those of like mind in interpreting those texts can find encouragement with each other, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong... but that is what religion has pretty much turned into.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:18 am
Eltanin Sadachbia Socika Well we know that he can sit sence he has a throne in heaven, which would lead someone to assume he's material. And if he's material while maybe complex he can be disected and studied should we manage to actually get our hands on him. So potencially we could coprehand him. And sence he is material he cannot be his own fater, beacuse he'd have to exist before making himself and that's self contradictory. Allot of this talk of likening things in the realm of spirit is so that we, in the physical have a comparison to start us on the road to understanding... To think of God as material, I feel, puts limits on what He can cannot do... But I also do not take the Bible as all-is-literal... There are some things we try hard to understand, but we cannot yet... Just like in the days of Columbus, there were people who just could not understand that the world was not flat, but others could only think that it must be round... It is a matter of personal conviction and revelation... Many branches, but not all, of Christianity holds that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are One yet Three... The One-and-Three concept isn't an idea that is exclusive to Christianity though. Whether you can grasp or accept that or not is not what makes you a Christian, or Heaven bound... To try and explain it in understandable English (or whatever language is your primary) is to over-simplify the very idea of it. It is a mystery of the religion, but I think every Christian who believes in the Trinity has tried to explain it. You either don't understand, or you have had this spiritual epiphany that you can't quite put in understandable language... We can all understand 3 in 1 just like those little packets of expresso coffe sugar and milk in 1 just add water. So you think god is a spirit? (like a ghost) Or perhaps energy? (than why not simply call it that) or like what
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:27 am
Qyp Socika Qyp Socika Well we know that he can sit sence he has a throne in heaven, which would lead someone to assume he's material. And if he's material while maybe complex he can be disected and studied should we manage to actually get our hands on him. So potencially we could coprehand him. And sence he is material he cannot be his own fater, beacuse he'd have to exist before making himself and that's self contradictory. -sigh- There is no physical form of God, except Christ. The Throne of God is a symbolic thing, not something to take literally. So the bible isn't suppose to be taken litterally? Of course not! It's only the foundational document for millions of people worldwide, the perfect devinely inspired word of the allmighty god. Of course a perfect god would create an imperfect bible. The bible is man written, Man is imperfect... God did not just drop it out of the sky... Also, how old are you? I just hope English is not your first language... I'm 20 and no english is my 4th language self thaught from movies. Alright so man screwed it up, how do you know they got the important stuff right like how to get to heaven, and the real path isn't eating no citrus and at least 1 apple a day?
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:36 am
Eltanin Sadachbia Many Christians say that the bible was "Written by God" but it was not... It is a book put together by men. It is a book of compiled notes, literature, prophecy, and laws that is said to have been "Inspired by God". It has been re-translated hundreds of times (if not thousands), and all of those translations were done by man... Even if God DID actually write the original, men would have at least messed some of it up anyway. You see how screwed up the organized religion of Christianity is... There are so many factions trying to raise their voices over the others, that the real message gets lost in the noise... So many Christians feel like every opinion they or their pastor/priest has formed is the end-all-do-all to God's Will... ...And allot of this is because so many Christians read the Bible as a History book, a Religious instruction guide, and the Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Universe... There are even those who would use it as THE ONLY Textbook in schools if you would let them... Who needs algebra, let's build an ark! Anyway, you have glaring examples of how trying to take a Spiritual text as literal History all the way through can be detrimental, because history is skewed by those who win, and reading it centuries later means using personal interpretation, and NO ONE is going to get the 100% same ideas from the same material... A religious text is meant to expand on an individual's spiritual level, not to teach textbook history and sociology. Those of like mind in interpreting those texts can find encouragement with each other, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong... but that is what religion has pretty much turned into. Well I agree for the most part. I'd have to correct you about reading the bible as a history book, a lot of christians don't even read it. Personally I find buddhism a lot more spiritual than reading about people living in whales, but to each their own. However, how can you trust that men got the important stuff right, what if praying is really a sin. I mean it's god plan, do you really expect him to change his whole plan just for you? And most of the praying is done on sunday his day off. Show some respect.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:46 am
Socika We can all understand 3 in 1 just like those little packets of expresso coffe sugar and milk in 1 just add water. So you think god is a spirit? (like a ghost) Or perhaps energy? (than why not simply call it that) or like what I don't really get the espresso packet example. LOL I like to think of it like a 3 leaf clover... It has 3 leafs, but it is one thing, it can't be a 3 leaf clover if it is missing a leaf... Each leaf is important to make the object what it is... All 3 leafs exist at the same time, they are independent of one another, yet the very definition of their existence is that they are the same object... But even then the idea is over-simplified. I can only tell you what I believe though, as the nature of God is so extraordinary that it is best put simply when He told Moses that ,He Is What He Is. I think there is more to the spiritual realm than just ghosts and angels and demons... I think God is something completely different and unique from any spiritual entity we normally envision... I think that He is the only entity that isn't confined to a localized presence... or in other words, the only Being who is everywhere at once... Every other spirit described in spiritual texts can only be at one place at one time... I don't really know quite how to put it other than maybe, the Intelligence of the Universe... but that sounds really New Age for my liking... Yet again... I can only speak for what I believe...
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:03 am
Eltanin Sadachbia Socika We can all understand 3 in 1 just like those little packets of expresso coffe sugar and milk in 1 just add water. So you think god is a spirit? (like a ghost) Or perhaps energy? (than why not simply call it that) or like what I don't really get the espresso packet example. LOL I like to think of it like a 3 leaf clover... It has 3 leafs, but it is one thing, it can't be a 3 leaf clover if it is missing a leaf... Each leaf is important to make the object what it is... All 3 leafs exist at the same time, they are independent of one another, yet the very definition of their existence is that they are the same object... But even then the idea is over-simplified. I can only tell you what I believe though, as the nature of God is so extraordinary that it is best put simply when He told Moses that ,He Is What He Is. I think there is more to the spiritual realm than just ghosts and angels and demons... I think God is something completely different and unique from any spiritual entity we normally envision... I think that He is the only entity that isn't confined to a localized presence... or in other words, the only Being who is everywhere at once... Every other spirit described in spiritual texts can only be at one place at one time... I don't really know quite how to put it other than maybe, the Intelligence of the Universe... but that sounds really New Age for my liking... Yet again... I can only speak for what I believe... hmmm so he created the 3 leaf clover in his image not us. Maybe they'll go to heaven, and rabbits go to hell for eating them xD Actually the moses incountering god in the bible sounds more like a vulcano erruption, and in a tribe of desert nomads 1 guy going towards it would impress the hell out of the others don't you think? And seriously how stupid would we have to be to need god to tell us not to kill each other? God is unique and allpowerful, don't you think it would get lonely being the only 1, By now he'd have surely created a girlfriend or a boyfriend for himself. Maybe s/he dumped god for watching us instead of focusing just on her/him. The intelligence of the universe, Like this? 
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