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Artto

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:07 pm


xxEternallyBluexx
I think it's awesome no matter who's funding it (am I really the only one? emo ). I wish there was more facilities for creation, if for no other reason then I think people should question evolution. You can't really be well-rounded unless you know both sides to an argument, and I think we lose that with evolution and creationism. It's a theory, not absolute fact (despite the fact that a lot of people will take it that way because it's taught in schools).


I hate that "both sides of the argument" phrase. It's giving credit to creationism where no credit is due. Creationism has no solid evidence whatsoever. Evolutionary theory, on the other hand, is incredibly well supported - the fossil record, geology, genetics, embryology, ... I honestly see no reason for not believing it.

Well, apart from not wanting to believe it because of your faith.

And this is the problem. Most "anti-evolutionists" don't even fully understand the theory. And most just spew out stuff they heard from "prominent" creationists and ID proponents, without really thinking about it. And then we have to listen to arguments like: "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

And the word "theory" means a lot in the context of science. It's a solid, well supported explanation of the facts.
It's not the same as "a guess".
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:27 am


It makes me feel uncomfortable, but just as others have said, as long as it wasn't payed for by public money, I don't mind.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:23 am


dio777
As long as it wasnt payed for with public money I dont see a problem.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:09 pm


Artto
xxEternallyBluexx
I think it's awesome no matter who's funding it (am I really the only one? emo ). I wish there was more facilities for creation, if for no other reason then I think people should question evolution. You can't really be well-rounded unless you know both sides to an argument, and I think we lose that with evolution and creationism. It's a theory, not absolute fact (despite the fact that a lot of people will take it that way because it's taught in schools).


I hate that "both sides of the argument" phrase. It's giving credit to creationism where no credit is due. Creationism has no solid evidence whatsoever. Evolutionary theory, on the other hand, is incredibly well supported - the fossil record, geology, genetics, embryology, ... I honestly see no reason for not believing it.

Well, apart from not wanting to believe it because of your faith.

And this is the problem. Most "anti-evolutionists" don't even fully understand the theory. And most just spew out stuff they heard from "prominent" creationists and ID proponents, without really thinking about it. And then we have to listen to arguments like: "If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

And the word "theory" means a lot in the context of science. It's a solid, well supported explanation of the facts.
It's not the same as "a guess".

Here's two sites for creationism evidence. http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidence-for-creationism-faq.htm , http://www.halos.com/ Would you mind refuting both of them?
And this one's somewhat amusing, and still provides evidence: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/
And evidence against it:
http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/top.htm (this site's amazing. I bet you can't refute these ten points aginst your 'incredibly well supported' evidence)
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidence-against-evolution-faq.htm

My mom still believed in evolution when she became a Christian. She gave it up because after doing the research it didn't make sense. She did this in the midst of family and friends who believed in evolution.

How about the odds? Look them up, the just too high to be believable without something more powerful guiding them.
Or the fact that things decay rather then grow more complex naturally?
Has anyone ever seen a one celled bacteria become a clump of bacteria become a group of tissue become what? An organ?
Or the fact plants and animals had to evolve together so the oxygen and CO2 balance out? The mutation of two seperate genders also had to appear at the same time to work.
There'a also the will to survive which is the governing factor in evolution. Things adapt to survive. What instills in organisms this fierce desire to survive?

If you can answer all those questions, and refute every single argument on those sites, I might consider evolution. If not, then please stop treating creationism like it's such a foolish idea.

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Artto

PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:08 pm


Read this. It addresses most of your points.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:23 pm


Artto
Read this. It addresses most of your points.
Can you post them please? My computer's wacky when it comes to links, so I can't get to it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:39 am


Shadows-shine
I don't think it really matters that much, whether it was paid for privately or not. It's open for those who want to visit it and those who don't, don't have to go.


But those who don't shouldn't have to un willingly use their tax payer money on it.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:23 pm


hachi_ ateyou
Shadows-shine
I don't think it really matters that much, whether it was paid for privately or not. It's open for those who want to visit it and those who don't, don't have to go.


But those who don't shouldn't have to un willingly use their tax payer money on it.

Taxpayer money gets spent on a lot of things people don't agree with, like the War on Iraq, or for me, the school tests (the major ones, not the classroom ones). It's not always about public opinion.

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