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 Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:23 am
Oreion vegito61283 beachbabe_always I have the question does getting to the probowl team mean your in or not? Because I think Stover our kicker sure does deserve it but he only made the probowl once. But he is now I think in the top five scorers of all time. No, the pro-bowl is just a glory label to add on your resume. Hall of Fame players do not need to have the SB, but it sure does help. Look at Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders. All of them do not have one and I could keep going on with names. All you have to do if you do not get a SB ring is make sure you leave a lasting mark in the game. There are plenty of players though that have been snubbed over the years as well because they never got a SB. Randell Cunningham is a prime example. The mark he left on the Football world is a huge one and there is almost no person who does not know who Cunningham is. I'm not talking about the exception guy, I'm talking about guys like Brady, if Brady had not gotten lucky in 3 Superbowls would he be in the Hall of fame (not including the year of 07 when it was made clear he is in). Kurt Warner is a prime example, he is a H.O.F. caliber QB but if he had never won the 1st Superbowl would he get in. Then by that argument for QB's today, that would mean the Donovan McNabb would be a shoo it as well
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:09 am
vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 beachbabe_always I have the question does getting to the probowl team mean your in or not? Because I think Stover our kicker sure does deserve it but he only made the probowl once. But he is now I think in the top five scorers of all time. No, the pro-bowl is just a glory label to add on your resume. Hall of Fame players do not need to have the SB, but it sure does help. Look at Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders. All of them do not have one and I could keep going on with names. All you have to do if you do not get a SB ring is make sure you leave a lasting mark in the game. There are plenty of players though that have been snubbed over the years as well because they never got a SB. Randell Cunningham is a prime example. The mark he left on the Football world is a huge one and there is almost no person who does not know who Cunningham is. I'm not talking about the exception guy, I'm talking about guys like Brady, if Brady had not gotten lucky in 3 Superbowls would he be in the Hall of fame (not including the year of 07 when it was made clear he is in). Kurt Warner is a prime example, he is a H.O.F. caliber QB but if he had never won the 1st Superbowl would he get in. Then by that argument for QB's today, that would mean the Donovan McNabb would be a shoo it as well No
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:22 am
You don't gotta win rings to be into the HOF. Just be really good. There are a few people who are in the HOF right now who didn't win any Superbowls.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:46 pm
Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 beachbabe_always I have the question does getting to the probowl team mean your in or not? Because I think Stover our kicker sure does deserve it but he only made the probowl once. But he is now I think in the top five scorers of all time. No, the pro-bowl is just a glory label to add on your resume. Hall of Fame players do not need to have the SB, but it sure does help. Look at Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders. All of them do not have one and I could keep going on with names. All you have to do if you do not get a SB ring is make sure you leave a lasting mark in the game. There are plenty of players though that have been snubbed over the years as well because they never got a SB. Randell Cunningham is a prime example. The mark he left on the Football world is a huge one and there is almost no person who does not know who Cunningham is. I'm not talking about the exception guy, I'm talking about guys like Brady, if Brady had not gotten lucky in 3 Superbowls would he be in the Hall of fame (not including the year of 07 when it was made clear he is in). Kurt Warner is a prime example, he is a H.O.F. caliber QB but if he had never won the 1st Superbowl would he get in. Then by that argument for QB's today, that would mean the Donovan McNabb would be a shoo it as well No How so? Seriously. You said that if he had not gotten the SB's he still would have been in. Take away the SB's and the only thing he has is the season record for TD's. McNabb has a lot more records than that. Also more success if you dont count the SB's. Honestly, you should not count them because of the cheating that they were caught doing anways. So please explain to me with your logic you had about Brady and no SB's woud allow him to go into the HOF and not McNabb
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:40 am
vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 beachbabe_always I have the question does getting to the probowl team mean your in or not? Because I think Stover our kicker sure does deserve it but he only made the probowl once. But he is now I think in the top five scorers of all time. No, the pro-bowl is just a glory label to add on your resume. Hall of Fame players do not need to have the SB, but it sure does help. Look at Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders. All of them do not have one and I could keep going on with names. All you have to do if you do not get a SB ring is make sure you leave a lasting mark in the game. There are plenty of players though that have been snubbed over the years as well because they never got a SB. Randell Cunningham is a prime example. The mark he left on the Football world is a huge one and there is almost no person who does not know who Cunningham is. I'm not talking about the exception guy, I'm talking about guys like Brady, if Brady had not gotten lucky in 3 Superbowls would he be in the Hall of fame (not including the year of 07 when it was made clear he is in). Kurt Warner is a prime example, he is a H.O.F. caliber QB but if he had never won the 1st Superbowl would he get in. Then by that argument for QB's today, that would mean the Donovan McNabb would be a shoo it as well No How so? Seriously. You said that if he had not gotten the SB's he still would have been in. Take away the SB's and the only thing he has is the season record for TD's. McNabb has a lot more records than that. Also more success if you dont count the SB's. Honestly, you should not count them because of the cheating that they were caught doing anways. So please explain to me with your logic you had about Brady and no SB's woud allow him to go into the HOF and not McNabb You cannot prove that they cheated every game including the Superbowl the only proof they cheated only has a couple of games in it. Also I was talking about Warner is in H.O.F. because he has the caliber of that QB. Brady wasn't in my opinion, in until the 07 season. Another QB that has the skill level to get in easily is Drew Brees.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:56 am
Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 Oreion I'm not talking about the exception guy, I'm talking about guys like Brady, if Brady had not gotten lucky in 3 Superbowls would he be in the Hall of fame (not including the year of 07 when it was made clear he is in). Kurt Warner is a prime example, he is a H.O.F. caliber QB but if he had never won the 1st Superbowl would he get in. Then by that argument for QB's today, that would mean the Donovan McNabb would be a shoo it as well No How so? Seriously. You said that if he had not gotten the SB's he still would have been in. Take away the SB's and the only thing he has is the season record for TD's. McNabb has a lot more records than that. Also more success if you dont count the SB's. Honestly, you should not count them because of the cheating that they were caught doing anways. So please explain to me with your logic you had about Brady and no SB's woud allow him to go into the HOF and not McNabb You cannot prove that they cheated every game including the Superbowl the only proof they cheated only has a couple of games in it. Also I was talking about Warner is in H.O.F. because he has the caliber of that QB. Brady wasn't in my opinion, in until the 07 season. Another QB that has the skill level to get in easily is Drew Brees. Drew Brees never even came as close as McNabb to winning a Ring so therefore how can he be able to get in? Oh wait, you are talking about ability and caliber. Well then you cannot count out McNabb in your discussions at all either. There are very very few QB's who can elevate their WR's instead of just using them. Think about it. Under McNabb you have had T. Small, T. Pinkston, F. Mitchell, J. Thrash, G. Lewis, T. Owens to name a few. The first three when gone to other teams never made it out of Training Camps. Yet on Philadelphia, they made solid above avg stats. Thrash has gone to Washington and has been a number 3/4 since getting back on the roster. Lewis has just been traded to NE so we will see how he compares. TO was on pace to have the best season of possibly any WR ever in league history until the 10th week. At that time he already had 14 TD's and 1200 yds. That is just his first season and not fully incorporated into the Eagles offensive system. That though is only a partial season and had already put up almost career highs. He was on pace to have 24 TD's and almost 2000 recieving yds that year. So McNabb helped to elevate his stats. When Branch left NE, his stats did not drop off that much. All the WR's that have left NE have not had real drop offs. WR's that have left Indy did not have that much in terms of drop offs. I could almost go out and say that there are only about 3 or 4 QBs who help elevate their WR's instead of just being elevated by them. McNabb, Favre, Brees, Garcia. Maybe Petyon Manning. There is still some debate due to never having bottom feeding WR's like those four I have mentioned. That stuff with the WR's was just to show you as a reference for what I was talking about. And if I was off topic please forgive me since I am very much out of it with a death in the family.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:00 am
Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 Oreion I'm not talking about the exception guy, I'm talking about guys like Brady, if Brady had not gotten lucky in 3 Superbowls would he be in the Hall of fame (not including the year of 07 when it was made clear he is in). Kurt Warner is a prime example, he is a H.O.F. caliber QB but if he had never won the 1st Superbowl would he get in. Then by that argument for QB's today, that would mean the Donovan McNabb would be a shoo it as well No How so? Seriously. You said that if he had not gotten the SB's he still would have been in. Take away the SB's and the only thing he has is the season record for TD's. McNabb has a lot more records than that. Also more success if you dont count the SB's. Honestly, you should not count them because of the cheating that they were caught doing anways. So please explain to me with your logic you had about Brady and no SB's woud allow him to go into the HOF and not McNabb You cannot prove that they cheated every game including the Superbowl the only proof they cheated only has a couple of games in it. Also I was talking about Warner is in H.O.F. because he has the caliber of that QB. Brady wasn't in my opinion, in until the 07 season. Another QB that has the skill level to get in easily is Drew Brees. Proof is what was reported directly out of the comissioner's mouth and Bellicheks mouth. So that is proof. If you mean physical proof, then there is no more of that since the Commisioner gave the order to have it all destroyed. There were at least 70+ tapes with multiple games on them spanning 6+ years including playoffs and SB's. That was stated by the Commisioner when he was giving his televised report to the media at the time.
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:44 am
vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 Oreion I'm not talking about the exception guy, I'm talking about guys like Brady, if Brady had not gotten lucky in 3 Superbowls would he be in the Hall of fame (not including the year of 07 when it was made clear he is in). Kurt Warner is a prime example, he is a H.O.F. caliber QB but if he had never won the 1st Superbowl would he get in. Then by that argument for QB's today, that would mean the Donovan McNabb would be a shoo it as well No How so? Seriously. You said that if he had not gotten the SB's he still would have been in. Take away the SB's and the only thing he has is the season record for TD's. McNabb has a lot more records than that. Also more success if you dont count the SB's. Honestly, you should not count them because of the cheating that they were caught doing anways. So please explain to me with your logic you had about Brady and no SB's woud allow him to go into the HOF and not McNabb You cannot prove that they cheated every game including the Superbowl the only proof they cheated only has a couple of games in it. Also I was talking about Warner is in H.O.F. because he has the caliber of that QB. Brady wasn't in my opinion, in until the 07 season. Another QB that has the skill level to get in easily is Drew Brees. Proof is what was reported directly out of the comissioner's mouth and Bellicheks mouth. So that is proof. If you mean physical proof, then there is no more of that since the Commisioner gave the order to have it all destroyed. There were at least 70+ tapes with multiple games on them spanning 6+ years including playoffs and SB's. That was stated by the Commisioner when he was giving his televised report to the media at the time. That was gay. The league covered for the Patriots. Let's think what would have happened if the Patriots never won any Superbowl. McNabb and the eagles win a Superbowl, build confidence and never have sorry seasons like last year Warner wins 2 Superbowls, Rams stay the greatest show on turf, longer Panthers win their first Superbowl Colts Probably win 3 Superbowls by now Thats all posibilities.
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:48 pm
Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 How so? Seriously. You said that if he had not gotten the SB's he still would have been in. Take away the SB's and the only thing he has is the season record for TD's. McNabb has a lot more records than that. Also more success if you dont count the SB's. Honestly, you should not count them because of the cheating that they were caught doing anways. So please explain to me with your logic you had about Brady and no SB's woud allow him to go into the HOF and not McNabb You cannot prove that they cheated every game including the Superbowl the only proof they cheated only has a couple of games in it. Also I was talking about Warner is in H.O.F. because he has the caliber of that QB. Brady wasn't in my opinion, in until the 07 season. Another QB that has the skill level to get in easily is Drew Brees. Proof is what was reported directly out of the comissioner's mouth and Bellicheks mouth. So that is proof. If you mean physical proof, then there is no more of that since the Commisioner gave the order to have it all destroyed. There were at least 70+ tapes with multiple games on them spanning 6+ years including playoffs and SB's. That was stated by the Commisioner when he was giving his televised report to the media at the time. That was gay. The league covered for the Patriots. Let's think what would have happened if the Patriots never won any Superbowl. McNabb and the eagles win a Superbowl, build confidence and never have sorry seasons like last year Warner wins 2 Superbowls, Rams stay the greatest show on turf, longer Panthers win their first Superbowl Colts Probably win 3 Superbowls by now Thats all posibilities. Just tell me how that gay? You wanted proof, I gave it to you. You got too much into each team at the end and strayed from topic. We were talking about the QB's. McNabb may never had won a SB. But unlike EVERY single QB in the league today he has gotten to 5 Championship games in just ten years. No active QB has been to as many Championship games and you would be hard pressed to find any QB in the history of the league to be in that many games in their career. So just that should be good enough to have him in the HOF. Then the fact he has NFL records, broked basically every franchise record (and that actually does say something) and has one of the highest winning percentages of active QB's. I guess that does not make him a HOF Caliber QB then?
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:52 pm
Dan Marino
Super Bowls: 0
H.O.F: Yes
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:17 am
vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 How so? Seriously. You said that if he had not gotten the SB's he still would have been in. Take away the SB's and the only thing he has is the season record for TD's. McNabb has a lot more records than that. Also more success if you dont count the SB's. Honestly, you should not count them because of the cheating that they were caught doing anways. So please explain to me with your logic you had about Brady and no SB's woud allow him to go into the HOF and not McNabb You cannot prove that they cheated every game including the Superbowl the only proof they cheated only has a couple of games in it. Also I was talking about Warner is in H.O.F. because he has the caliber of that QB. Brady wasn't in my opinion, in until the 07 season. Another QB that has the skill level to get in easily is Drew Brees. Proof is what was reported directly out of the comissioner's mouth and Bellicheks mouth. So that is proof. If you mean physical proof, then there is no more of that since the Commisioner gave the order to have it all destroyed. There were at least 70+ tapes with multiple games on them spanning 6+ years including playoffs and SB's. That was stated by the Commisioner when he was giving his televised report to the media at the time. That was gay. The league covered for the Patriots. Let's think what would have happened if the Patriots never won any Superbowl. McNabb and the eagles win a Superbowl, build confidence and never have sorry seasons like last year Warner wins 2 Superbowls, Rams stay the greatest show on turf, longer Panthers win their first Superbowl Colts Probably win 3 Superbowls by now Thats all posibilities. Just tell me how that gay? You wanted proof, I gave it to you. You got too much into each team at the end and strayed from topic. We were talking about the QB's. McNabb may never had won a SB. But unlike EVERY single QB in the league today he has gotten to 5 Championship games in just ten years. No active QB has been to as many Championship games and you would be hard pressed to find any QB in the history of the league to be in that many games in their career. So just that should be good enough to have him in the HOF. Then the fact he has NFL records, broked basically every franchise record (and that actually does say something) and has one of the highest winning percentages of active QB's. I guess that does not make him a HOF Caliber QB then? I was calling the league gay, not what you said. Eagles have never been a great QB team, oh McNabb has been to 5 championship games, but didn't finish out anyone of them. Winning percentage goes to the team not McNabb. The defense won their games not McNabb. What I mean by H.O.F. caliber I mean his skill level is that good, like Manning, Favre, Warner, and Brees.
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:36 pm
Oreion vegito61283 Oreion vegito61283 Oreion You cannot prove that they cheated every game including the Superbowl the only proof they cheated only has a couple of games in it. Also I was talking about Warner is in H.O.F. because he has the caliber of that QB. Brady wasn't in my opinion, in until the 07 season. Another QB that has the skill level to get in easily is Drew Brees. Proof is what was reported directly out of the comissioner's mouth and Bellicheks mouth. So that is proof. If you mean physical proof, then there is no more of that since the Commisioner gave the order to have it all destroyed. There were at least 70+ tapes with multiple games on them spanning 6+ years including playoffs and SB's. That was stated by the Commisioner when he was giving his televised report to the media at the time. That was gay. The league covered for the Patriots. Let's think what would have happened if the Patriots never won any Superbowl. McNabb and the eagles win a Superbowl, build confidence and never have sorry seasons like last year Warner wins 2 Superbowls, Rams stay the greatest show on turf, longer Panthers win their first Superbowl Colts Probably win 3 Superbowls by now Thats all posibilities. Just tell me how that gay? You wanted proof, I gave it to you. You got too much into each team at the end and strayed from topic. We were talking about the QB's. McNabb may never had won a SB. But unlike EVERY single QB in the league today he has gotten to 5 Championship games in just ten years. No active QB has been to as many Championship games and you would be hard pressed to find any QB in the history of the league to be in that many games in their career. So just that should be good enough to have him in the HOF. Then the fact he has NFL records, broked basically every franchise record (and that actually does say something) and has one of the highest winning percentages of active QB's. I guess that does not make him a HOF Caliber QB then? I was calling the league gay, not what you said. Eagles have never been a great QB team, oh McNabb has been to 5 championship games, but didn't finish out anyone of them. Winning percentage goes to the team not McNabb. The defense won their games not McNabb. What I mean by H.O.F. caliber I mean his skill level is that good, like Manning, Favre, Warner, and Brees. You just named at the end there 4 guys who have had some of the better recievers in the league all who would make the recievers that Philly has had (with the subtraction of D. Jackson, T.O. and K. Curtis) look like sub-highschoolers. They were flat out horrible and I dreaded every play that was snapped then. So save for Brees who also had some sub-par recievers, every single one of them you could say had the complete benefit fo some of the best. Now to get to that many championships you have to give credit to the QB. It has shown many times that without McNabb, they can barely win. They got lucky with AJ Feeley that year, but every year that McNabb was not under center, it showed that they really needed him. Now with that how can you say that it was the team and not him? The same could be said about those other QB's as well, but they did have the benefit of some of the best WR's in the league and almost all who were still far better than the WR's averaged with. And sorry, I thought you were saying that it was gay what I was saying. My mistake.
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