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vegito61283

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:41 am


The Colts may be as successful to all but the Eagles with winning a SB, but not as much success and playoff wins. I do give them their props for what they have done, but they have not been as successful. I would put them at the number 5 spot though for success. Forgot to put all five down.

Here are the number of playoff appearances and wins along with their success out of just this decade alone.

Philadelphia- 10 wins and 1 SB appearance with a total of 17 playoff game appearances. 7 losses. .588 win percentage
Pittsburgh- 10 wins and 2 SB wins totaling of 12 postseason wins. With 13 postseason appearances. 1 loss. .769 win percentage
New England- 13 wins with 3 SB wins and 1 SB loss with a total of 16 playoff appearances. 3 losses. .625 win percentage *Must question how much success there truly was with the admittance of the recording equipment usage and cheating.
New York Giants- 7 wins with 1 SB win and 1 SB loss totaling 11 playoff appearances. 4 losses. .636 win percentage
Indianapolis- 7 wins with 1 SB win totaling 14 playoff appearance. 7 losses. .500 win percentage

Now while Philly does not have the best of win percentage, only NE comes truly close to as many playoff appearance. Everyone else is really 2 plus games away from that many appearances and in the league now, appearances could mean the difference between success and failure. Take for Philly for example. If there was not a last second interception back in 2001, Philly would have been in the SB. If there was not two lucky int's against the bucs, Philly would have been in their second SB. If it were not for the extreme late hit by the Carolina Panthers player after the whistle, they could have been in their 3rd of the decade. If it were not for the last secod interception (and could be said the same for the spying and cheating) by NE, they could have won their first SB. If it were not for TERRIBLE (but I can admit that they were not playing their best) 1st half against the Cards, they would have been in their 5th SB of the decade. Only 2 other teams by my recollection have been to 4 straight Championship appearances and only 2 have hosted 3 straight Championship games. Philly is one of those. Oh, and if they had won every single one of their Championship appearances, they would have a .666 win percentage. Pretty decent if you ask me.
So while they may not have the win percentage as the others, they are there more often and show the example of how to make a franchise last. Indy has done a good job only because they have had 2 number one recievers. NE had their spygate and decent teams like Philly. Pittsburgh has always had a solid team and once again and managed to win with a proven system behind a solid defense. NYG have followed suit of Philly and Pitt. Proven number two's and a solid defense.

Sorry I rambled on, just got lost with it all. LOL
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:38 pm


vegito61283
The Colts may be as successful to all but the Eagles with winning a SB, but not as much success and playoff wins. I do give them their props for what they have done, but they have not been as successful. I would put them at the number 5 spot though for success. Forgot to put all five down.

Here are the number of playoff appearances and wins along with their success out of just this decade alone.

Philadelphia- 10 wins and 1 SB appearance with a total of 17 playoff game appearances. 7 losses. .588 win percentage
Pittsburgh- 10 wins and 2 SB wins totaling of 12 postseason wins. With 13 postseason appearances. 1 loss. .769 win percentage
New England- 13 wins with 3 SB wins and 1 SB loss with a total of 16 playoff appearances. 3 losses. .625 win percentage *Must question how much success there truly was with the admittance of the recording equipment usage and cheating.
New York Giants- 7 wins with 1 SB win and 1 SB loss totaling 11 playoff appearances. 4 losses. .636 win percentage
Indianapolis- 7 wins with 1 SB win totaling 14 playoff appearance. 7 losses. .500 win percentage

Now while Philly does not have the best of win percentage, only NE comes truly close to as many playoff appearance. Everyone else is really 2 plus games away from that many appearances and in the league now, appearances could mean the difference between success and failure. Take for Philly for example. If there was not a last second interception back in 2001, Philly would have been in the SB. If there was not two lucky int's against the bucs, Philly would have been in their second SB. If it were not for the extreme late hit by the Carolina Panthers player after the whistle, they could have been in their 3rd of the decade. If it were not for the last secod interception (and could be said the same for the spying and cheating) by NE, they could have won their first SB. If it were not for TERRIBLE (but I can admit that they were not playing their best) 1st half against the Cards, they would have been in their 5th SB of the decade. Only 2 other teams by my recollection have been to 4 straight Championship appearances and only 2 have hosted 3 straight Championship games. Philly is one of those. Oh, and if they had won every single one of their Championship appearances, they would have a .666 win percentage. Pretty decent if you ask me.
So while they may not have the win percentage as the others, they are there more often and show the example of how to make a franchise last. Indy has done a good job only because they have had 2 number one recievers. NE had their spygate and decent teams like Philly. Pittsburgh has always had a solid team and once again and managed to win with a proven system behind a solid defense. NYG have followed suit of Philly and Pitt. Proven number two's and a solid defense.

Sorry I rambled on, just got lost with it all. LOL


You got a LOT of IFs there to support your argument mate. You can have a higher winning percentage in the playoffs, but what matters in the end... is the Superbowl. Colts won it, and they got there by going through a much tougher AFC than the Eagles through the NFC.

That and it's not fair to say the Colts got there because of their receivers. They have one of the best QB's in the game, who when it's all said and done will be a first ballot entree into the Hall of fame. It's undeniable that Peyton Manning is having a career that rivals that of Marino and Favre. And an excellent coaching staff. Tony Dungy helped that team succeed and win a superbowl. You can have all the talent in the world, but without the right Coach to direct that talent, it's waisted.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:55 pm


Have to agree with the Green Tea man. That's a lot of IFs. You're basically saying... "If we won, we would be in the Super Bowl." That's a lot of crackpot. You didn't win.

Why not list the calls that helped you if you're going to list the ones that didn't? For every call against you, there is usually a call that will help you. That's how it is in the NFL. Referees are not perfect. The make wrong calls. They miss calls. It's part of the game. If you can't overcome it, then eh. The Chargers got a crap call on them. They still made the playoffs from a lot of help from the Broncos. Such is the fate of the NFL. =A=

I still don't really get the whole cheating thing with the Patriots. Even if you have the signals, your players still have to be good. They still have to be disciplined. That comes from good coaching. Meh.

Lastly, gotta agree with the Green Tea man again. The only thing that matters is the Super Bowl win in the end and the Colts have won it. The Eagles have not. Everything else is a means to get there. If the Cardinals had won it last season. Throw that "They have a crappy defense. They only pass. They can't run." crap through the window. They did it. Well... Too bad they didn't....

Go Niners. Singletary! Woooooo.
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:11 am


That may be, but can you tell me a more than a single call that allowed Philly to get there? They are historically called against. You dont believe me? Look at some of the game tape. In the game against Arizona, how can you tell me that the one PI call against Asante was not legal? Was it within 5 yards? That does include the endzone, of which his body did not go past. What about tripping a WR? Were the Cards penalized for that? Hey guess what, if you want to talk about what goes around comes around, then I guess that Arizona got what they were getting when Pittsburgh basically mugged and shower room prisoned them in the SB. I can name about 30 different bad calls against Philly and ONLY about 10 different bad calls against the other teams. As for missed calls, dont even get me started on that. When there are games that are about even for bad calls, I do not count that against the teams wether Philly wins or not. Only those that are out of proportion one way or another.

As for the winning of a SB? Come on, so you are telling me that if McNabb did not have those WR's he would not be where Manning is or better? Face it, Manning has had two first ballet HOF recievers and McNabb has only had one his entire career and that was for only 1/2 a season. That season, McNabb posted some of the best stats a QB could put up. Now it only begs to differ that if he had those same recievers Manning had, he would have been even better. McNabb has until this past season, not including TO, a maximum of one number two reciever (on any other team) and the rest have been three's and lower. He has still posted HOF numbers. He is more like Marino than your comparison of Manning to Marino.

Once again, sorry for the rambling, but I have been preocupied with some very distracting isht

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:58 am


vegito61283
That may be, but can you tell me a more than a single call that allowed Philly to get there? They are historically called against. You dont believe me? Look at some of the game tape. In the game against Arizona, how can you tell me that the one PI call against Asante was not legal? Was it within 5 yards? That does include the endzone, of which his body did not go past. What about tripping a WR? Were the Cards penalized for that? Hey guess what, if you want to talk about what goes around comes around, then I guess that Arizona got what they were getting when Pittsburgh basically mugged and shower room prisoned them in the SB. I can name about 30 different bad calls against Philly and ONLY about 10 different bad calls against the other teams. As for missed calls, dont even get me started on that. When there are games that are about even for bad calls, I do not count that against the teams wether Philly wins or not. Only those that are out of proportion one way or another.

As for the winning of a SB? Come on, so you are telling me that if McNabb did not have those WR's he would not be where Manning is or better? Face it, Manning has had two first ballet HOF recievers and McNabb has only had one his entire career and that was for only 1/2 a season. That season, McNabb posted some of the best stats a QB could put up. Now it only begs to differ that if he had those same recievers Manning had, he would have been even better. McNabb has until this past season, not including TO, a maximum of one number two reciever (on any other team) and the rest have been three's and lower. He has still posted HOF numbers. He is more like Marino than your comparison of Manning to Marino.

Once again, sorry for the rambling, but I have been preocupied with some very distracting isht



I'm not sure if your arguments are steming as a non-biased NFL fan trying to prove a point, or as a rabid eagles fan venting for many years of disapointing exits from the playoffs after being so close to reaching several Superbowls.

You say the Eagles weren't fortunate enough to have 2 quality #1 receivers like the Colts. But stop and think for a moment, How did the Colts aquire Harrison and Wayne? (Assuming these are the two receivers you were referring to.) How did they get on the Colts team? Harrison was drafted in the 1996 Draft by the Colts, and Wayne a 2001 draft pick by... The Colts. There is more to a team than just players, who to draft and not to draft, trade and not to trade are decisions made by the team presidents, General Manager, Coaches, scout teams, ect. ect. The team the Colts had saw the potential and took Harrison and Wayne fairly. In other words, if your going to complain about the Eagles not having receivers like them, then the argument boils down to, 'The Colts have better receivers than the Eagles because the people in the front office for the Colts did a better job in drafting than the Eagles.'

And since the workings of the GM, team president, coaches in signing and releasing players play an important role in how the team will ultimately perform in the actual regular season, we can conclude that Not only do the Colts have a superbowl championship where the Eagles do not, but their team is better at drafting than the Eagles for aquiring the proper players needed to win one. So your agrument, when you boil it down like that, still puts the Colts as a better team than the Eagles.

Also, you can have the best receivers in the league, in the entire NFL, but having offensive weapons means nothing if you don't have a compitent QB to get the ball to them. Peyton Manning became the QB he is today by starting off on a Colts team that went 1-15 the year prior to drafting him, he worked his way through the hard times an NFL team goes through in a rebuilding era to become the excellent QB he is today where many QB's drafted in his situation have failed (Ryan Leaf just to name 1) McNabb is a great QB, and deserving of a place in Canton, but to claim that he draws better comparison to Marino than Manning I believe is unfair. Especially since Manning still put up great numbers and had a probowl year last year with Harrison out for a good chunk of it. He has proven, going 12-4 last year that he can win and do well without Harrison.

Finally, your comment on bad calls, While I missed most of the NFC Championship game between the Eagles and Cardinals having to be at work, I can say truthfully that most fans only see calls in two senses, Good and bad. You keep bringing up "Bad Calls" but you leave out an entirely seperate but important factor in this equasion. Questionable calls. I won't deny that some of the Calls the Eagles had were indeed bad, but there are many, many others that were "Questionable" Meaning that they did carry some merit of being justifiably called, that fans immediately label, "BAD" It's so easy for fans of a team to label a questionable call a bad call, especially when it is called against their team. So I have to question your comment,

"I can name about 30 different bad calls against Philly."

How many were actually bad? How many were questionable, and how many were actually good calls put in a bad light by angry fans?

And to use your IF logic, your comment, "Arizona got what they were getting when Pittsburgh basically mugged and shower room prisoned them in the SB." you made that game out to be more of a rout than it was. The final interception at the end of the first half that was returned for a touchdown by Pittsburgh, IF he was tackled before reaching the endzone, time expires, wipe 7 points off the board and you have a final score of Arizona 23 Pittsburgh 20. One play swinging the outcome of a game hardly classifies the statement you made for the game. The 49ers 55-10 stomping of Denver in Superbowl 24, now that was a "Mugged and shower room prisoned" game.
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:42 am


Hey. Gotta have more IFs for you. If the Cardinals actually scored that touchdown at the end of the half... It would be 30-20 for the Cardinals. Lol.

Anyway, I gotta agrees with the Green Man. =A= That's why... He's the Green Man...

Rabid fans indeed. If we started Shaun Hill instead of O'Sullivan last season... We would be in the playoffs! Lol. If we fired Nolan last season and put Singletary as coach... We would pwn!

Yay~ Go Niners. Vernon Davis can't catch in Madden... =/

Back to the topic at hand and not this diverging Eagles being better than the Colts stuff...

I hope Gonzalez can win a Super Bowl. He really deserves one for his career. Of course, so did Marino... But...
Shows how elusive the Super Bowl can be. Steve Young almost didn't get his. Damn Cowboys... IF the Cowboys and Packers weren't there... We would have like, 10 Super Bowls. Lol. It would be a Niners 80s to 90s Dynasty. Haha.

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vegito61283

PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 12:28 pm


Nyu-kun
Hey. Gotta have more IFs for you. If the Cardinals actually scored that touchdown at the end of the half... It would be 30-20 for the Cardinals. Lol.

Anyway, I gotta agrees with the Green Man. =A= That's why... He's the Green Man...

Rabid fans indeed. If we started Shaun Hill instead of O'Sullivan last season... We would be in the playoffs! Lol. If we fired Nolan last season and put Singletary as coach... We would pwn!

Yay~ Go Niners. Vernon Davis can't catch in Madden... =/

Back to the topic at hand and not this diverging Eagles being better than the Colts stuff...

I hope Gonzalez can win a Super Bowl. He really deserves one for his career. Of course, so did Marino... But...
Shows how elusive the Super Bowl can be. Steve Young almost didn't get his. Damn Cowboys... IF the Cowboys and Packers weren't there... We would have like, 10 Super Bowls. Lol. It would be a Niners 80s to 90s Dynasty. Haha.


I would definitely agree with you for the niners. As for making the playoffs last season? It would have been a realistic possibility. They had the talent, but were for some reason unable to put it together. Singletary has the potential to be a very good coach and has a level head on his shoulder in how to build a team. Good luck to them this year. Also, for the 90's Cowboys... Only shows what buying your trophies can accomplish. They had the talent and the players to get where they needed and won. Only difference is they also payed out the bung-hole to get there. $$$+Happily payed supertalent= SB trophy. Oh, and before you go and rag on me about that, I do understand that some of their key personell were drafted, but they still brought in top talent and payed them more than any other team could even truly offer. They are the reason why there is a salary cap today.

As for Tony Gonzalez, I hope he gets his chance for a SB. I just doubt that he will manage to get it. Tough division and then they would have to deal with the NFC East this season plus a tough AFC division. Good luck though for Tony
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:09 pm


Nyu-kun
Hey. Gotta have more IFs for you. If the Cardinals actually scored that touchdown at the end of the half... It would be 30-20 for the Cardinals. Lol.

Anyway, I gotta agrees with the Green Man. =A= That's why... He's the Green Man...

Rabid fans indeed. If we started Shaun Hill instead of O'Sullivan last season... We would be in the playoffs! Lol. If we fired Nolan last season and put Singletary as coach... We would pwn!

Yay~ Go Niners. Vernon Davis can't catch in Madden... =/

Back to the topic at hand and not this diverging Eagles being better than the Colts stuff...

I hope Gonzalez can win a Super Bowl. He really deserves one for his career. Of course, so did Marino... But...
Shows how elusive the Super Bowl can be. Steve Young almost didn't get his. Damn Cowboys... IF the Cowboys and Packers weren't there... We would have like, 10 Super Bowls. Lol. It would be a Niners 80s to 90s Dynasty. Haha.


Got to agree with Nyu here. This was originally suppose to be a Tony Gonzalas to Atlanta post. We should stick to the topic here.

He does indeed deserve a Superbowl ring. He truly is deserving of it.

It will be tough regardless, Atlanta will be playing some tough teams, but in the end he does have a better shot with them than if he would have stayed in KC. Now if KC goes on to win it all next year I'll eat my hat.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:27 am


Japanese_Green_Tea
Nyu-kun
Hey. Gotta have more IFs for you. If the Cardinals actually scored that touchdown at the end of the half... It would be 30-20 for the Cardinals. Lol.

Anyway, I gotta agrees with the Green Man. =A= That's why... He's the Green Man...

Rabid fans indeed. If we started Shaun Hill instead of O'Sullivan last season... We would be in the playoffs! Lol. If we fired Nolan last season and put Singletary as coach... We would pwn!

Yay~ Go Niners. Vernon Davis can't catch in Madden... =/

Back to the topic at hand and not this diverging Eagles being better than the Colts stuff...

I hope Gonzalez can win a Super Bowl. He really deserves one for his career. Of course, so did Marino... But...
Shows how elusive the Super Bowl can be. Steve Young almost didn't get his. Damn Cowboys... IF the Cowboys and Packers weren't there... We would have like, 10 Super Bowls. Lol. It would be a Niners 80s to 90s Dynasty. Haha.


Got to agree with Nyu here. This was originally suppose to be a Tony Gonzalas to Atlanta post. We should stick to the topic here.

He does indeed deserve a Superbowl ring. He truly is deserving of it.

It will be tough regardless, Atlanta will be playing some tough teams, but in the end he does have a better shot with them than if he would have stayed in KC. Now if KC goes on to win it all next year I'll eat my hat.


You won't be eating anything, because I don't see Kansas City being successful for at least another few years.

Gonzalez has a very good chance to win with the Falcons. He'll probably make the playoffs, and could even win the first postseason game of his career. I'll put the Falcons up there with the Giants and Eagles right now as front-runners for the NFC. Atlanta has the worst defense of the three, but can still make it far. Gonzalez will help Ryan mature, and Matt Ryan will ensure success for that offense and Tony Gonzalez.
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 2:24 pm


I would not have put the Falcons there quite yet. They have to beat their division like Philly and the Giants do year in and year out. Then and only then can they be put their in my opinion. They have a hard path, but at least they are on the right path and they have a stable TE with them now.

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