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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:35 pm
sheheartsthings Alix - I guess that makes sense, but I still don't agree that someone who is a good person but never felt the need to really get into religion wouldn't go to heaven, if there is a heaven. :edit: But still, murdering someone and then accepting the christ of your religion and going to heaven and then someone who was a wonderful person who didn't believe in your religion or never felt the need to choose a religion NOT going to heaven is still ******** up. tiger - So basically what that says it that someone who believes there is a God will go to heaven, even if they never get into a specific religion. So, what if you believe in a higher power that created all this, and you have respect for that higher power? But you don't form any sort of religion about it, it's just what you believe. You feel no need to put a name to that higher power, and you feel no need to define it, you just know that it exists. You have faith in what you believe, and that's good enough for you. Still no way to go to heaven (again, if there is one)? Well, it's not just believing in God, but also asking for His forgiveness. God gave us a conscience, so even if someone doesn't know that something is a "sin" they know that some things they do are wrong. This should lead a person to believe that they are not worthy of Him and that they should ask Him for forgiveness. The person shouldn't try to make stuff up about this God, it is enough for them to know that He created all things, controls all things, and that nothing bad can come from Him. They don't have to have a name for Him and they shouldn't pretend that they know things about Him when they don't.
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:06 pm
I was typing a pretty long post with explainations and proof and whatnot, and then internet explorer messed up. Promise I'll retype it later. Just dont have the gumption to do it again right now, lol.
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:11 pm
A My Name Is Alix sheheartsthings Also, Alix: You believe that your belief is the only way, and you are 100% sure of that. So say someone else comes along with THEIR belief and THEY believe that THEIR religion is the only way, and they're 100% sure of that. You both have complete faith, but both of you can't be right, even if you are 100% sure. At least one of you must be wrong, because according to your beliefs you both can't go to heaven because you believe in something different. Or, both of you go to heaven because of your faith. Then you're both still wrong because you thought only YOUR religion was the way to heaven. Let me rephrase that. I think that my belief is the right way.
I don't really specify "religion" or doctrine, or ritual.
I believe that through Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven.
If thats what your talking about, with the differnces between denominations.
If your talking about the difference between my belief, and say, some religion not even close to Christianity., they can believe what they want and be 100% sure of it, but my belief says they're wrong, and I will not end up in heaven with them. Sorry, it's just not going to happen.So you think, then, that different religions/beliefs/ways of life have their own heavens?
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:26 pm
tiger- I wasn't saying they did make up stuff about it. Just that they know that it exists and created all this s**t and is greater than us.
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:41 pm
Doesn't Jesus = God? The trinity is the different forms of God, therefore, God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
Therefore, when Jesus(God) says that you go to heaven through me, that doesn't alienate the other monotheistic religions. Or even of SOMETHING, because that is a form of faith to God, isn't it?
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:23 am
[ k e e l y ] Doesn't Jesus = God? The trinity is the different forms of God, therefore, God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
Therefore, when Jesus(God) says that you go to heaven through me, that doesn't alienate the other monotheistic religions. Or even of SOMETHING, because that is a form of faith to God, isn't it? Exactly- If God and Jesus are the same, then God is Jesus so worshiping God without Jesus is the same thing. If Jesus and God are separate, since God is the infinite one, you should be able to override Jesus by going with God.
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:54 am
:edit: Okay, I didn't want to really get into my personal beliefs and life and whatnot, but I don't really know how else to explain what I mean. I don't know if you're just not understanding what I'm saying, or if you're just talking about your own thing, but I feel like you don't get what I mean so I'm going to explain. Okay, so. I believe that there HAS to be a higher power, because something HAD to create all of this. Us, the environment, etc. I'm not talking about God. God is the higher power that Christians believe in. He has a whole background story and whatnot, and I don't believe in all that. I just believe in SOMETHING that created this all, and is greater than us, and I respect that higher power. I don't feel the need to find a definition for it. I don't feel the need to worship it. I don't feel the need to find other people who believe in the same thing to help me define it or whatever else religious groups do. I know it exists, I respect it, and that's good enough for me. I'd rather go through life worrying about being a good person and whatnot, than spend it worrying about my religion and whether or not I was going to hell. I don't even know if I believe in heaven and hell, but I mean, I'm just saying for example, if they do exist, I'd rather think that whatever that higher power is, as long as I'm a good person, will send me there and not damn me for not worrying about classifying myself religion-wise. Especially when so many religious people out there seem so obsessed with their religion..I'd just rather live my life happily and do good, and NOT be that kind of person. In a lot of ways, I think religion can corrupt a person. And I'm not putting anyone down personally or anything, I just think that it does happen, and it sucks to see and have to deal with.
Also, if I might add, I don't exactly NOT believe in God. It's just, as I said, I believe in a higher power I don't need to pursue further. If it IS God, so be it. If it's Buddha or any other god you can think of, so be it. But I'm not going to worry about choosing a specific religion where there's a chance I could be wrong and it would all be for naught. Or if there's a chance it would change me as a person. Because I'm happy with who I am, I try to be a good person, I try to be open-minded, and I think that's really all that matters in life.
And, as a last note, I'd just like to say that even if I don't agree with any religions, I still respect those who choose to believe whatever they believe. I'm not going to try demeaning them or anything. The only time I really get angry at religious people is when they think that they're the only ones who are right and that other people NEED to believe what they believe and they look down on that person if they don't, and/or refuse to comply. I think it's ridiculous.
/end rant. whee
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:33 am
Also, if you've ever heard the song 32 Flavors by Ani DiFranco..That pretty much sums up how I feel about religion and my religious/spiritual/whatever you want to call it lifestyle.
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:19 am
sheheartsthings :edit: Okay, I didn't want to really get into my personal beliefs and life and whatnot, but I don't really know how else to explain what I mean. I don't know if you're just not understanding what I'm saying, or if you're just talking about your own thing, but I feel like you don't get what I mean so I'm going to explain. Okay, so. I believe that there HAS to be a higher power, because something HAD to create all of this. Us, the environment, etc. I'm not talking about God. God is the higher power that Christians believe in. He has a whole background story and whatnot, and I don't believe in all that. I just believe in SOMETHING that created this all, and is greater than us, and I respect that higher power. I don't feel the need to find a definition for it. I don't feel the need to worship it. I don't feel the need to find other people who believe in the same thing to help me define it or whatever else religious groups do. I know it exists, I respect it, and that's good enough for me. I'd rather go through life worrying about being a good person and whatnot, than spend it worrying about my religion and whether or not I was going to hell. I don't even know if I believe in heaven and hell, but I mean, I'm just saying for example, if they do exist, I'd rather think that whatever that higher power is, as long as I'm a good person, will send me there and not damn me for not worrying about classifying myself religion-wise. Especially when so many religious people out there seem so obsessed with their religion..I'd just rather live my life happily and do good, and NOT be that kind of person. In a lot of ways, I think religion can corrupt a person. And I'm not putting anyone down personally or anything, I just think that it does happen, and it sucks to see and have to deal with. Also, if I might add, I don't exactly NOT believe in God. It's just, as I said, I believe in a higher power I don't need to pursue further. If it IS God, so be it. If it's Buddha or any other god you can think of, so be it. But I'm not going to worry about choosing a specific religion where there's a chance I could be wrong and it would all be for naught. Or if there's a chance it would change me as a person. Because I'm happy with who I am, I try to be a good person, I try to be open-minded, and I think that's really all that matters in life. And, as a last note, I'd just like to say that even if I don't agree with any religions, I still respect those who choose to believe whatever they believe. I'm not going to try demeaning them or anything. The only time I really get angry at religious people is when they think that they're the only ones who are right and that other people NEED to believe what they believe and they look down on that person if they don't, and/or refuse to comply. I think it's ridiculous. /end rant. whee God is not just for christians- God is the force that created the universe. God is the creator of the world for Muslims, Christians and Jews, and to a lesser extent Hindus and many others. The only things that vary are names of the creator and prophets.
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:11 am
But when someone says God, most people typically think of the Christian God. I don't like them to be mixed up, so I just say "higher power."
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:28 pm
divineseraph [ k e e l y ] Doesn't Jesus = God? The trinity is the different forms of God, therefore, God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
Therefore, when Jesus(God) says that you go to heaven through me, that doesn't alienate the other monotheistic religions. Or even of SOMETHING, because that is a form of faith to God, isn't it? Exactly- If God and Jesus are the same, then God is Jesus so worshiping God without Jesus is the same thing. If Jesus and God are separate, since God is the infinite one, you should be able to override Jesus by going with God. .... Father = God Jesus = God The Holy Spirit = God } (all 3 of them) - Trinity
God (Father) ≠ God (Jesus) ≠ God (the Holy Spirit)
In other words, yes, they are all considered 'God', but they are not the same.
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:37 pm
It is not about what is the right religion or not. Jesus said in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." If there is another way to get into Heaven, then Jesus would die in vain. "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." Isaiah 53:5
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:17 pm
sheheartsthings :edit: Okay, I didn't want to really get into my personal beliefs and life and whatnot, but I don't really know how else to explain what I mean. I don't know if you're just not understanding what I'm saying, or if you're just talking about your own thing, but I feel like you don't get what I mean so I'm going to explain. Okay, so. I believe that there HAS to be a higher power, because something HAD to create all of this. Us, the environment, etc. I'm not talking about God. God is the higher power that Christians believe in. He has a whole background story and whatnot, and I don't believe in all that. I just believe in SOMETHING that created this all, and is greater than us, and I respect that higher power. I don't feel the need to find a definition for it. I don't feel the need to worship it. I don't feel the need to find other people who believe in the same thing to help me define it or whatever else religious groups do. I know it exists, I respect it, and that's good enough for me. I'd rather go through life worrying about being a good person and whatnot, than spend it worrying about my religion and whether or not I was going to hell. I don't even know if I believe in heaven and hell, but I mean, I'm just saying for example, if they do exist, I'd rather think that whatever that higher power is, as long as I'm a good person, will send me there and not damn me for not worrying about classifying myself religion-wise. Especially when so many religious people out there seem so obsessed with their religion..I'd just rather live my life happily and do good, and NOT be that kind of person. In a lot of ways, I think religion can corrupt a person. And I'm not putting anyone down personally or anything, I just think that it does happen, and it sucks to see and have to deal with. Also, if I might add, I don't exactly NOT believe in God. It's just, as I said, I believe in a higher power I don't need to pursue further. If it IS God, so be it. If it's Buddha or any other god you can think of, so be it. But I'm not going to worry about choosing a specific religion where there's a chance I could be wrong and it would all be for naught. Or if there's a chance it would change me as a person. Because I'm happy with who I am, I try to be a good person, I try to be open-minded, and I think that's really all that matters in life. And, as a last note, I'd just like to say that even if I don't agree with any religions, I still respect those who choose to believe whatever they believe. I'm not going to try demeaning them or anything. The only time I really get angry at religious people is when they think that they're the only ones who are right and that other people NEED to believe what they believe and they look down on that person if they don't, and/or refuse to comply. I think it's ridiculous. /end rant. whee The majority of Buddhist do not believe that Buddha is a god, only enlightened human.
But I was basically just responding to Alix. How she believes that no one but Christians will go to heaven. You know there IS a knock off, I think it is an extremely Orthodox Protestant religion that cooould possibly start with a J. BUT ANYWAYS, their image of the crucifix is of Jesus with his arms down. Or out, but not spread wide open, because they believed that salvation was only granted to the chosen people of their faith. However, the majority of Christian religions recognize the image of Christ on the cross with his arms opened wide, symbolizing that he is for everyone. Not only Christians. But all people. And believing in SOMETHING is believing.
(Also, I don't know if this will surprise you or not, but I'm atheist. I just think religion is fascinating and has really great social teachings. I especially like Reformed Judaism and Buddhism.)
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:58 pm
Thistle_Whistle It is not about what is the right religion or not. Jesus said in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." If there is another way to get into Heaven, then Jesus would die in vain. "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." Isaiah 53:5 Meaning "He said a lot of good stuff that we should listen to to be decent people." and "We ******** up when we killed him, we could have learned a lot."
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:02 pm
i2nd Death divineseraph [ k e e l y ] Doesn't Jesus = God? The trinity is the different forms of God, therefore, God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
Therefore, when Jesus(God) says that you go to heaven through me, that doesn't alienate the other monotheistic religions. Or even of SOMETHING, because that is a form of faith to God, isn't it? Exactly- If God and Jesus are the same, then God is Jesus so worshiping God without Jesus is the same thing. If Jesus and God are separate, since God is the infinite one, you should be able to override Jesus by going with God. .... Father = God Jesus = God The Holy Spirit = God } (all 3 of them) - Trinity
God (Father) ≠ God (Jesus) ≠ God (the Holy Spirit)
In other words, yes, they are all considered 'God', but they are not the same.So which one has the authority? If they are not equals, which one must we pander to to get the key to heaven? Again, if they are separate, God the creator is the one on the throne to heaven, making Jesus the prince and the holy spirit some type of squire or duke or something. If you want to get into the castle, sure, you can pander to the prince. But it wouldn't hurt, and would in fact be faster, to know the king.
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