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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:46 pm
NekoSigma Captain Amaranth Ranmoth Conclusions: Antimatter FTW. Nuclear is cool. And fossil fuel pollution doesn't really hurt space. Oooh.... very true indeed! I hadn't really thought about the latest that way before. :/ Would that still produce steam? It could very well do so. As long as you kept the rate of reaction VERY slow. And used matter quantities which produced photons that could be absorbed by water. In principle, though, I think it could work, and quite efficiently.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:58 pm
Ranmoth NekoSigma Captain Amaranth Ranmoth Conclusions: Antimatter FTW. Nuclear is cool. And fossil fuel pollution doesn't really hurt space. Oooh.... very true indeed! I hadn't really thought about the latest that way before. :/ Would that still produce steam? It could very well do so. As long as you kept the rate of reaction VERY slow. And used matter quantities which produced photons that could be absorbed by water. In principle, though, I think it could work, and quite efficiently. So long of course as you have a same way to contain and control antimatter.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:05 pm
Imber Ranmoth NekoSigma Captain Amaranth Ranmoth Conclusions: Antimatter FTW. Nuclear is cool. And fossil fuel pollution doesn't really hurt space. Oooh.... very true indeed! I hadn't really thought about the latest that way before. :/ Would that still produce steam? It could very well do so. As long as you kept the rate of reaction VERY slow. And used matter quantities which produced photons that could be absorbed by water. In principle, though, I think it could work, and quite efficiently. So long of course as you have a same way to contain and control antimatter. It's not such a leap from tesla coil to electromagnetic containment chamber. Or maybe it is. But a good EM field containment device is a must nonetheless.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:28 pm
Ranmoth Imber Ranmoth NekoSigma Captain Amaranth Ranmoth Conclusions: Antimatter FTW. Nuclear is cool. And fossil fuel pollution doesn't really hurt space. Oooh.... very true indeed! I hadn't really thought about the latest that way before. :/ Would that still produce steam? It could very well do so. As long as you kept the rate of reaction VERY slow. And used matter quantities which produced photons that could be absorbed by water. In principle, though, I think it could work, and quite efficiently. So long of course as you have a same way to contain and control antimatter. It's not such a leap from tesla coil to electromagnetic containment chamber. Or maybe it is. But a good EM field containment device is a must nonetheless. I believe they tried that, but could contain very little inside each 'bottle', as they'd (the antimatter particles) keep repelling each other and eventually reaching the sides.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:58 pm
Captain Amaranth Ranmoth Imber Ranmoth NekoSigma Would that still produce steam? It could very well do so. As long as you kept the rate of reaction VERY slow. And used matter quantities which produced photons that could be absorbed by water. In principle, though, I think it could work, and quite efficiently. So long of course as you have a same way to contain and control antimatter. It's not such a leap from Tesla coil to electromagnetic containment chamber. Or maybe it is. But a good EM field containment device is a must nonetheless. I believe they tried that, but could contain very little inside each 'bottle', as they'd (the antimatter particles) keep repelling each other and eventually reaching the sides. This is a fantasy medium, so we can feel free to invent stuff that doesn't exist. It is fun to base it off fact though. There could be a substance that repels antimatter without destroying it.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:15 pm
NekoSigma There could be a substance that repels antimatter without destroying it. Anti-antimatter!
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:17 pm
Well, since this is a fantasy (along with alternate history) genre, the possibilities are endless. Steam can be made without the toxic chemicals, but it is the heating of the water via burning heat source that causes the pollution. A what if could solve the problem:
What if they figure out some of the theories of chemistry before they were found out?
As for hydrogen... If I am correct, any Group 1 Element when it is dropped into water makes heat and... Shoot, I keep forgetting that they make volatile chemicals...
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:10 pm
TempusBliss As for hydrogen... If I am correct, any Group 1 Element when it is dropped into water makes heat and... Shoot, I keep forgetting that they make volatile chemicals... While that is essentially correct in the general case, hydrogen is rather special. It will react exothermically with water, but you probably won't get the fireworks that would occur if you instead tossed, say, a chunk of rubidium in there. It will, however, produce an acidic solution (hence the pH scale). For those reasons and more, hydrogen is often separated from the rest of the Group I elements on the periodic table, simply because it's such a wily little bugger. And, incidentally, H+ ions are the only things commonly found in the lab that have zero standard entropy. Science...
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:05 pm
I'm probably missing something here, since chemistry isn't at all my field (although I've done some work with chemical thermodynamics), but what's to stop us from building a needlessly complex boom engine dropping a brick of rubidium, potassium, or cesium into a vat of water? So long as you could contain it, it should work about the same as any other engine, right?
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:25 pm
NekoSigma This is a fantasy medium, so we can feel free to invent stuff that doesn't exist. It is fun to base it off fact though. There could be a substance that repels antimatter without destroying it. If you want fantasy, just go for engines powered by alchemy altering the aether.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:57 pm
Kaiserhuff I'm probably missing something here, since chemistry isn't at all my field (although I've done some work with chemical thermodynamics), but what's to stop us from building a needlessly complex boom engine dropping a brick of rubidium, potassium, or cesium into a vat of water? So long as you could contain it, it should work about the same as any other engine, right? BOOM! Mwahahahaaa.... But yes, that could work. To ensure that all the fuel didn't run out at once you'd have to use relatively small portions at a time, of course, and you'd still have to have plenty of the stuff. I got my mind running on the engineering a bit, and I think it would be interesting if the metal was powdered and stuck in a semipermeable gelatin membrane, just like a medicine capsule. That way it could be immersed in the water in controlled chunks, and then when the membrane dissolved enough it would react beneath the water's surface, causing the heat to do a good amount of boiling. Sure, there are other ways, but I think tossing a few pills in water to power a steam engine would be nifty.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:04 pm
Ranmoth Kaiserhuff I'm probably missing something here, since chemistry isn't at all my field (although I've done some work with chemical thermodynamics), but what's to stop us from building a needlessly complex boom engine dropping a brick of rubidium, potassium, or cesium into a vat of water? So long as you could contain it, it should work about the same as any other engine, right? BOOM! Mwahahahaaa.... But yes, that could work. To ensure that all the fuel didn't run out at once you'd have to use relatively small portions at a time, of course, and you'd still have to have plenty of the stuff. I got my mind running on the engineering a bit, and I think it would be interesting if the metal was powdered and stuck in a semipermeable gelatin membrane, just like a medicine capsule. That way it could be immersed in the water in controlled chunks, and then when the membrane dissolved enough it would react beneath the water's surface, causing the heat to do a good amount of boiling. Sure, there are other ways, but I think tossing a few pills in water to power a steam engine would be nifty. Like a not-a-lie version of the water car from the fifties! So let's say we've got an engine that can contain such a series of explosions and power a car. It seems to me the resultant pollutants wouldn't be worth worrying about. For that matter, would there even be any? I imagine there would be some kind of buildup on the inside of the engine that would need to be periodically cleansed, but we get that with current engines anyway, and so we can disregard that bit. I guess the most troublesome thing would be keeping your rubidium or whatever stocked...
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:02 pm
Captain Amaranth NekoSigma This is a fantasy medium, so we can feel free to invent stuff that doesn't exist. It is fun to base it off fact though. There could be a substance that repels antimatter without destroying it. If you want fantasy, just go for engines powered by alchemy altering the aether. I was hoping to be little more realistic then that. PS. anti-antimatter is called matter, and it reacts violently with matter, hence energy is released. I have some star trek manuals lying around somewhere, they explain everything from the series, including how the technology works.
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:46 pm
NekoSigma I was hoping to be little more realistic then that. PS. anti-antimatter is called matter, and it reacts violently with matter, hence energy is released. I have some star trek manuals lying around somewhere, they explain everything from the series, including how the technology works. I was making, how do you say, the joke. Also, they create and contain antimatter in particle accelerators all the times. Heck, an anti-neutrino is produced every time standard nuclear beta decay occurs, and positrons pop out when not-so-standard nuclear beta decay occurs. No need to draw in Star Trek, unless you're wanting to include that diabolical (engineering-wise) Transporter of theirs.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:05 pm
Dread Pirate Loki I thinkest, we need to further our advances into hydrogen power! Hydrogen being the most abundant material in the universe thus far, (apart from dark matter), it would benefit us if all things ran on hydrogen. The only emission is life-giving water! Still, hydrogen power wouldn't work too well in space, seeing as it required oxygen as well to run, and in space, oxygen is rather limited. So for all non-space related ventures, I propose we use fuel-cell hydrogen technologies. For all space-related ventures, we can stick to good ol' steam. (Steaaaam Trek!) There's no harm in polluting the vacuum of space is there? It is infinite. D: Dark Matter is purely theoretical.
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