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 Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:39 am
no pun intended right? i guess i do it anyway.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:54 am
yesh no pun..... sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:45 pm
umm my question still stands. What's wrong with Satanism?
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:06 am
in my opinion nothing...it all depends on the viewer....i dont like it but that doesnt mean its ok 4 someone else...but hey....i cant judge that
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:31 am
Well from the Christian view the whole concept of it is wrong because we are meant to honour Jesus with our way of life, trust in him and let him be the centre of our life...And even not only obey God but also our attitude to others should be selfless and we're told to put others before ourselves (that's difficult for me because although I do have faith in Jesus I am rather a selfish person. I help others when they ask me and when it's no trouble for me to help them, but I don't put others' needs before mine; possibly except for when it's for my boyfriend but that's basically selfish too because I love him)... While satanism is entirely egocentric, isn't it?
Goths are supposed to be open minded but I believe that as a Christian goth my Christianity must be more important to me than my gothic identity, and as a Christian I can't deny what Jesus said - that he himself is the way, the truth and the life, not any other spiritual/religious/philosophic system.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:04 am
firstly you do realize that even though Jesus said he was the"way the truth and the light" doesn't make it true. i mean technically i could say the same thing about myself, get it written in a book and an army of followers to believe it and it wouldn't be true about me now would it? Being unchristian and wrong are two very separate things. Satanism is not entirely egocentric it however it doesn't teach to give freely of one's self to those who will just continue to take and take and take and never give of themselves in return. it also teaches that any indulgence which brings gratification to the indulger without breaking laws is an acceptable one.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:39 am
Sure, but for Christians it would make no sense not to believe that what Jesus said about himself was true. I believe it is, just like all what was written about him in the NT. Christianity is different from other religions... it was written by witnesses or by people who knew the witnesses. There was absolutely nothing good these people could recive on this earth for preaching about Jesus what they did; so why would they do it if they knew it was untrue? There are many things about this, the beginnings of Christianity and its persecution, the prophecies in the OT, the personality of Jesus himself, his death and resurrection... the belief that Christianity is true makes sense to me, considering all the factors about it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:06 am
Luz Oscura Sure, but for Christians it would make no sense not to believe that what Jesus said about himself was true. I believe it is, just like all what was written about him in the NT. Christianity is different from other religions... it was written by witnesses or by people who knew the witnesses. There was absolutely nothing good these people could recive on this earth for preaching about Jesus what they did; so why would they do it if they knew it was untrue? There are many things about this, the beginnings of Christianity and its persecution, the prophecies in the OT, the personality of Jesus himself, his death and resurrection... the belief that Christianity is true makes sense to me, considering all the factors about it. Ok so you've just pointed out hat christianity is the only widely followed religion based on second and third hand information rather than the teacher of the religion writing down his own explicit instructions and advice. people propogate things known to them to be untrue all the time.
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:29 am
?? You do know what Christianity is about, dont you, since you also were a Christian.... How was it second hand information when they were personal witnesses? Why would they make it all up, spread the news about Jesus' resurection if it was untrue and they knew that it was untrue, and why would they free willingly accept to be persecuted and executed for something they would know was a lie? And the other witnesses, who were Jewish and thus anti Christian, why didn't they bring up evidence that what the apostels were preaching was a lie, in case it was a lie? They probably didn't have any sufficient evidence to disprobe them, otherwise they would stop it already in the beginnings... the thing is that the apostels must have known that what they were preaching about Jesus was true, if they hadn't, they would never have bothered to go through all the inconvenience.
Cool new avatar outfit btw.!
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:31 pm
Luz Oscura ?? You do know what Christianity is about, dont you, since you also were a Christian.... How was it second hand information when they were personal witnesses? Why would they make it all up, spread the news about Jesus' resurection if it was untrue and they knew that it was untrue, and why would they free willingly accept to be persecuted and executed for something they would know was a lie? And the other witnesses, who were Jewish and thus anti Christian, why didn't they bring up evidence that what the apostels were preaching was a lie, in case it was a lie? They probably didn't have any sufficient evidence to disprobe them, otherwise they would stop it already in the beginnings... the thing is that the apostels must have known that what they were preaching about Jesus was true, if they hadn't, they would never have bothered to go through all the inconvenience. Cool new avatar outfit btw.! well actually there is a still running theory in the jewish comunity that says teh desciples of Jesus stole his body to support the claim of his resurection. but you forget that none of the apsotles wrote a gospel so none of the first hand accounts of the life of christ actually exist int the modern bible. it is possible that they were rejected at Mycea i supppose.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:08 pm
LadyBugLes RockaChica He said he converted when i cheated on him and that he is having so much stress right now from me , his family, and school. But i cheated on him four months ago and hes still mad at me after we've had deep conversations about it that made me cry. I thought he would get it by now that i would never do it to him again. I feel like its all my fault that hes converted and whenever i talk to him about god he gets all pissed off at me. help me. PLZ MESSAGE ME Take comfort in the fact that devil worshippers are just pissed off Christians.... You can't worship Satan without believing in the Christian God because Satan is a Christian idea... and if you cheated on him, why the hell didn't he just break up without instead of Jesus? umm not 100% true some branches of satanism say there is no god, how they justify that I have no idea.
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:24 am
EmpressMotoko LadyBugLes RockaChica He said he converted when i cheated on him and that he is having so much stress right now from me , his family, and school. But i cheated on him four months ago and hes still mad at me after we've had deep conversations about it that made me cry. I thought he would get it by now that i would never do it to him again. I feel like its all my fault that hes converted and whenever i talk to him about god he gets all pissed off at me. help me. PLZ MESSAGE ME Take comfort in the fact that devil worshippers are just pissed off Christians.... You can't worship Satan without believing in the Christian God because Satan is a Christian idea... and if you cheated on him, why the hell didn't he just break up without instead of Jesus? umm not 100% true some branches of satanism say there is no god, how they justify that I have no idea. Simple. There is no God, There is no Devil either. Satan is a representation of all the so-called "sins". Technicaly Satanis doesn't have branches to seperate views are commonly called Satanic despite the divergeance. LaVayan Satanism (the teachings of Anton LaVay) would be the one that teaches the "no god but yourself" and the other (forget the name) is, as LadyBugLes are just pissed off christians worshiping the other side. Those people actually scare me because they go out of thier way to be bad people LaVayans simply figure as long as they do right by thier own moral code they are good people. hope i cleared that up.
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The Committee Staff Autobiographer
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:47 pm
Lazarus The Resurected firstly you do realize that even though Jesus said he was the"way the truth and the light" doesn't make it true. i mean technically i could say the same thing about myself, get it written in a book and an army of followers to believe it and it wouldn't be true about me now would it?
True, but you didn't preform miracles, fulfill prophecies, come with authority to teach what is morally right, never sin, or have the same attributes as Jesus. If you disagree with the validity of 2 first hand documentations of Jesus' life by Matthew and John, the overall acceptance of the truth by the hundreds and thousands that saw him through his life that was spread over the course of thousands of years (even at the beginning where people died by not forsaking Jesus because they knew the truth), then it's you own blindness that you decide that this part of history is false despite evidence to the contrary and pointless to argue over.
Lazarus The Resurected Being unchristian and wrong are two very separate things. Satanism is not entirely egocentric it however it doesn't teach to give freely of one's self to those who will just continue to take and take and take and never give of themselves in return. it also teaches that any indulgence which brings gratification to the indulger without breaking laws is an acceptable one.
So you're saying that the only "right" in life is through law (despite human intuition of what is good and bad) and that if law is superior, then the Nazi regiment should be considered heroes for enacting upon their law to torture and kill millions of people through conventionalism.
But lets say its ethical subjectivism, in which "what's right for you is right for you, and what's right for me is right for me", which it then commits the "self-excepting fallacy" where the statement holds true for everyone but their self. Such as saying "All truth is relative", where that statement itself cannot be universally true.
Or how about cultural relativism where "values of cultures" over weigh the truth of what is right or wrong. All that is is a statement of fact and not a moral description of the way things ought to be. If two cultures disagree on abortion, per se, they are either both wrong or only one is right because truth is truth and fiction is fiction.
But then what is there to judge morals by? How about the only given authority in the world, the Christian Bible (you can go and try to say otherwise, but the evidence is withstanding and truth is truth, even if you don't want to see or change).
Oh, and here's an interesting statistic: 1 in 12 people turn their backs on Christ. Coincidence? God knows what he does, has done, and is doing. It's our choice to accept him for who he is an stop giving in to worldly alternatives to God's grace, in which you must earnestly seek him.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:53 pm
Lance D Anderson Lazarus The Resurected firstly you do realize that even though Jesus said he was the"way the truth and the light" doesn't make it true. i mean technically i could say the same thing about myself, get it written in a book and an army of followers to believe it and it wouldn't be true about me now would it? True, but you didn't preform miracles, fulfill prophecies, come with authority to teach what is morally right, never sin, or have the same attributes as Jesus. If you disagree with the validity of 2 first hand documentations of Jesus' life by Matthew and John, the overall acceptance of the truth by the hundreds and thousands that saw him through his life that was spread over the course of thousands of years (even at the beginning where people died by not forsaking Jesus because they knew the truth), then it's you own blindness that you decide that this part of history is false despite evidence to the contrary and pointless to argue over. Lazarus The Resurected Being unchristian and wrong are two very separate things. Satanism is not entirely egocentric it however it doesn't teach to give freely of one's self to those who will just continue to take and take and take and never give of themselves in return. it also teaches that any indulgence which brings gratification to the indulger without breaking laws is an acceptable one. - What do you think laws were based off of to begin with? The bible and the teachings in it. So you're saying that the only "right" in life is through law (despite human intuition of what is good and bad) and that if law is superior, then the Nazi regiment should be considered heroes for enacting upon their law to torture and kill millions of people through conventionalism. But lets say its ethical subjectivism, in which "what's right for you is right for you, and what's right for me is right for me", which it then commits the "self-excepting fallacy" where the statement holds true for everyone but their self. Such as saying "All truth is relative", where that statement itself cannot be universally true. Or how about cultural relativism where "values of cultures" over weigh the truth of what is right or wrong. All that is is a statement of fact and not a moral description of the way things ought to be. If two cultures disagree on abortion, per se, they are either both wrong or only one is right because truth is truth and fiction is fiction. But then what is there to judge morals by? How about the only given authority in the world, the Christian Bible (you can go and try to say otherwise, but the evidence is withstanding and truth is truth, even if you don't want to see or change). Oh, and here's an interesting statistic: 1 in 12 people turn their backs on Christ. Coincidence? God knows what he does, has done, and is doing. It's our choice to accept him for who he is an stop giving in to worldly alternatives to God's grace, in which you must earnestly seek him. the reason laws are based in christianity is because it was (and yes i do me was) the dominant religion for a while. on the opther hand new ones are in place ie. ***** and rape are much diferent now than they were int he bible. I can get people to say i preformed miracles also simple illusion can be substituted for actual miracle. i mean hundreds of thousands of people watched Chris Angel vanish an Elephant but did he really do it? These prophesies were well known among the Jewish comunity so knowledge of the prophesy plus a few well placed circumstances equals prophesy fulfilled. I will not argue int he existance of a man named Jesus who came from Nazareth and started a cult. I will not argue that he was crucified. i will however argue that he was raised fromt eh dead considering the only written evidence of this was penned by people who could have been in on a potential conspiracy. so Jesus existed, yes. Jesus was the son of God, no. God exists, debateable (but i say no.) so since i don't believe in God it trumps Jesus alltogether. The Laws are based off the bible but then again the comandments are also older than christ so technicaly they come from jewish scripture, not christian. I'm not say that "right" exists at all. I do what makes me feel good and l I live by a set of rules that i find true. however being behind bars will most definitely NOT make me happy, so i go out of my way not to break laws. as for the Nazi thing, nice try to tie me into Facists but i'm generaly on the other end of the spectrum, just a step above anarchism. (humans are pack animals so no matter what we will always form hierarchies and govenments). Nothing is universaly true. Things can only be true for one person, people may agree on certainthings but no one believes all the same thing. Even entire Cultures don't agree on things. to use your example a majority of people may agree with abortion but other individuals within the culture may still dissagree. So, you claim that a book penned by a large group of people over 5 milenia and half of which is plaigerized from another religious text to be the only given authority on all subjects even though some topics are not specifically covered and thus fall under generalizations when scripture get's quoted? i don't even take the Satanic Bible as entire truth. i wiegh everything past myself, my life and my feelings. 1 in 12 people turn thier backs on christ? so then you are saying that approx. 90% of the planet is christian and the rest are divided into all other religions and atheism.? i think that stat should be more like 1 in 12 christians turn thier backs on christ. now i'm that one guy. i think that all the rest of those 1's are those who didn't belong in the church in the first place. you sheep can go ahead but i'm ok where i'm at. if you ever want to argue semantics with me again i'll be back at least three times a week. oh by the way you failed to actually prove that unchristan=wrong.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:09 pm
Lazarus The Resurected the reason laws are based in christianity is because it was (and yes i do me was) the dominant religion for a while. on the opther hand new ones are in place ie. ***** and rape are much diferent now than they were int he bible.
Quote: I can get people to say i preformed miracles also simple illusion can be substituted for actual miracle. i mean hundreds of thousands of people watched Chris Angel vanish an Elephant but did he really do it?
Quote: These prophesies were well known among the Jewish comunity so knowledge of the prophesy plus a few well placed circumstances equals prophesy fulfilled.
Quote: I will not argue int he existance of a man named Jesus who came from Nazareth and started a cult. I will not argue that he was crucified. i will however argue that he was raised fromt eh dead considering the only written evidence of this was penned by people who could have been in on a potential conspiracy.
Quote: so Jesus existed, yes. Jesus was the son of God, no. God exists, debateable (but i say no.) so since i don't believe in God it trumps Jesus alltogether. The Laws are based off the bible but then again the comandments are also older than christ so technicaly they come from jewish scripture, not christian. I'm not say that "right" exists at all. I do what makes me feel good and l I live by a set of rules that i find true. however being behind bars will most definitely NOT make me happy, so i go out of my way not to break laws.
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as for the Nazi thing, nice try to tie me into Facists but i'm generaly on the other end of the spectrum, just a step above anarchism. (humans are pack animals so no matter what we will always form hierarchies and govenments).
Nothing is universaly true. Things can only be true for one person, people may agree on certainthings but no one believes all the same thing. Even entire Cultures don't agree on things. to use your example a majority of people may agree with abortion but other individuals within the culture may still dissagree.[/qoute] Humans need order to thrive, how many cultures say otherwise (0). So what your saying is that nothing anybody says can be considered truth and that we should never believe anything (including science or math) because someone's going to disagree on it or has to be wrong? Real nice ideals there (can't see how there aren't hundreds of followers around you), no trust or faith, only deceit and doubt. And it doesn't matter what those individuals think in the culture, if they want to think one way, and they have the influence to keep doing it, then the others don't matter.
Quote: So, you claim that a book penned by a large group of people over 5 milenia and half of which is plaigerized from another religious text to be the only given authority on all subjects even though some topics are not specifically covered and thus fall under generalizations when scripture get's quoted? i don't even take the Satanic Bible as entire truth. i wiegh everything past myself, my life and my feelings.
Quote: 1 in 12 people turn thier backs on christ? so then you are saying that approx. 90% of the planet is christian and the rest are divided into all other religions and atheism.? i think that stat should be more like 1 in 12 christians turn thier backs on christ.
Accepting what you do is wrong and giving up your pride is entirely up to the individual and his faith. Although some will still shun God and find out in the end what that accomplished for him/her.
5If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord - James 1:5-7
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