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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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 Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:56 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:00 pm
Yep X3 Our show sucks arse, though D: This other school's show has fire! FIRE! And we aren't allowed to because we're apparently poor little children that could hurt ourselves stare [/mini!rant]
But I digress, we've been stormed out of our last two practices, so... whatever :/
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:19 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:16 am
We would have gotten a practice today, too, if it weren't for all this rain XD We're not supposed to get this much, but people are getting water up to their second floors... not where I am, we don't have anymore flooding, but still... DX
And it's fine, since we've already gotten to the last move in the entire show... farther then they usually do by this time in the year razz
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:11 pm
That's scary. o.o It's been said that we get flash floods where I live (all the rivers are dry though, so never anything major), but I've never actually seen anything worse than some large puddles...
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:41 pm
Yeah... DX I was wondering... WHY do people like the pairings they like? Besides the looking good thing, and the love/hate thing, and Angstshippings standards (which I think are generally understood by everyone here)... why? EDIT: I was looking up what people were thinking of as "Angstshippings standards" and found this: Quote: lol but canon is so BORING XD I like angstshipping cuz it's probably pretty plausible even if it isn't canon... 1- Ryou and Malik had a connection through their yamis. They both hated them too. Thats a pretty good reason for them to comfort eachother if you ask me. 2- Their personalities fit. Their personalities are a lot alike, but they aren't like exact copies, and to me, that seems like it would work. Ryou is soft and passive while having a strong core that takes a special eye to see. Malik is tough and dependable while being gentelly dominant and pretty expressive. :3 3- Malik would probably want to make it up to Ryou. If the series had gone on, I'm sure Malik and Ryou would still share a connection. Malik would probably do a lot of things for him to make up for it, and that could possibly sprout into love. 4- They were both in some way abused. Both Malik and Ryou have been physically/mentally abused in their childhood lives. Malik's dad could be described as abusive to him and Odion, and Ryou and Bakura's relationship is most obviously portraited as an abusive one. :3 see, they were made for eachother. And they look so kawaii together! The post was made in the YGO:TAS forums by Roseleaf... http://forum.yugiohtheabridgedseries.com/showthread.php?p=760013I also found that Angstshipping has a niffty deffinition in Urban Legends... and that you can buy it on a mug XD http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Angstshippinghttp://www.zazzle.com/custom_urban_dictionary_mug-168421401815798969... there, I was able to site my sources XD Huzzah! EDIT2: Holy cow, I look obsessed XD Lol... This is a result of my boredom :3 And my looking through this thread, and basically seeing "standard" when ever someone mentioned Angst and decided to elaborate why... EDIT10000000: Looking over what Roseleaf said, I still can't see how the Yami-Hikari relationship between Omote no Bakura and Yami no Bakura was abusive... I have to agree with Invader Sah (FF.net)'s take on the relationship that he/she portrayed in: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5115777/1/Wild_Accusations... but that can be saved for a 'Kura disscussion thread XD
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:57 pm
So you want to know the deeper meaning behind why people like what? How interesting. :3 I guess I generally like pairings because they're interesting... like *gets shot again* Puppyshipping, I like it because the whole "hate=love thing" has always been attractive to me. I've shipped character that hate each other since I was little. I guess really, the fluffy stuff can just be too boring sometimes, so I prefer a relationship where the characters definitely interact and seem to have some kind of interest in each other, even if it's a hateful interest, but also in a way where it's not always fluffy, so they can argue and maybe even fight and such. Then the actual love aspect I just add in for myself, because I'm a girl who gets giddy with romance. XD So in other words, yes, give me my fluff and love and sex, but also throw in a little bit of people punching each other to make it interesting!
Okay, as for the Angstshipping thing... don't get me wrong, I love Angstshipping, but this person... their list of reasons is just kind of strange to me... First reason, yes, Malik hated his other half and tried to stop him, but as far as Bakura, he hardly knew of his other half at all, and doesn't really seem like the type of person to hate... he's just kind of clueless, and honestly, I think when his other half left, he was relieved to suddenly have control of his life again, but didn't really understand what everything had been about, and didn't seem to hold any grudges. I could see Bakura comforting Malik for what happened to him, but I don't think Bakura really needs much comforting himself. XD;;
Second thing, I don't see how they're alike like... at all. Malik is a selfish person who has a difficult time understanding the feelings of other people, but is still good at heart. Bakura is more... happy-go-lucky, giving, kind of a dork... I know a lot of the more passive characters tend to have strong cores, like Yuugi (and Shizuka in the anime, though not so much in the manga), but Bakura has never really showed that... except in the very beginning of the manga, where his personality was not yet developed. And Malik is not very dependable either. XD;; He kind of fails at making anyone happy, or doing things for people. He's too busy still discovering his own self and trying to get over his own past. If anything, Rishid is more dependable to him, because he's the one who needs it.
Third one, yes, Malik hurt Bakura, and obviously felt guilt for all the crap he did in Battle City. But he hurt everyone. Even though a lot of it was his dark half taking over, he put Yuugi and Jounouchi in their death duel, kidnapped Anzu and Jounouchi, freaked Yami no Yuugi out, tried to have many characters killed, put Mai into an eternal hell, almost killed Jounouchi, made his sister worry for him, and tons more. He did a lot of crap to everyone, and he makes up for it by showing Yami no Yuugi the markings on his back and giving him the god cards/Sennen Items that he had. I think he really just did too much to people to try and make up for it all, so instead went back to Egypt to try to restore his own life. Maybe in the future he'll try to make things up to people individually, but really, if he hurt anyone enough for him to suddenly be devoted to them, it would be Yuugi and Jounouchi, not Bakura.
Fourth one, I can see most of all. Malik was definitely abused by his dark half, because his dark half was an abusive person. I mean, yes, he abused most of the characters, not just Malik, but Malik actually had to live with him in his head. But I agree with that fanfiction as well, at least that Bakura isn't really abused by his dark half. Yami no Bakura more seems to just use any means possible to get what he wants, and if that involves hurting his host, so be it, as long as he still has a host to use. But, as I said earlier, I can see Bakura comforting Malik for that, but not so much the other way around. The exchange I could see would be this:
Malik: Er... sorry for manipulating you and convincing your dark half to hurt you during Battle City...
Bakura: Wha...?
Malik: It's just... you know, I wanted so much to avenge my family, and I was willing to do so much to get that... so you were just an innocent person, and I hurt you for my own selfish reasons...
Bakura: You did? o.o
Malik: So please... I understand if you hate me... but I just... it's so hard, the things my dark half did... *chokes out sob* Why did it have to end up like that? *cries*
Bakura: There, there, it's all over now... shh... *Malik cries against his shoulder*
Ahem, so anyway... yeah... love the Angstshipping definition. XD
As for that fanfiction... I agree that their relationship isn't so much abusive as it is just one of one person using the other... but it kind of pissed me off, how stupid and shallow they made Jounouchi, Honda, and (was it Anzu?) look... And then Malik comes out of no where and starts yelling at them WTF? XD But then again, I've never been a fan of those fictions where the two Bakuras interact and talk to each other, especially when Yami no Bakura is protective of his host. It's just too out of character for my taste, and well... everyone in that story seemed pretty out of character to me, except maybe Yuugi...
Augh, sorry, I sound like a horrible person ranting on about these things... just don't see things in the same way as others, I suppose. But anyway, this post is disgustingly long, and if no one reads it, that's fine. XD;; Done with my rant now, sorry for taking up your time!
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:16 pm
Never fear, Kitsune, I read it all XD I DID start the thing after all...
And yes, I think we see things a tad bit differently... Though I'm aweful at outting thoughts into words, so bare with me...
Adressing the FF thing first... I know that Invader Sah made those characters shallow, but it was only for that fanfic, and to prove a point... She doesn't usually do that, as far as I know... the point was, most fans make YB out to be some abusive b****** while in reality, he's just a normal b****** razz I know it wasn't the best thing to use as an example, but oh well XD
For your first point, I actually agree with you... Huzzah? Omote no Bakura didn't seem to have anything against his yami with the exception of season 0, and the fear he had in the manga in season 1 when he found out that his yami was back... but that was just sudden fear, almost instinctual, and he seemed to forget about it/get over it pretty quickly.
While they aren't exactly alike, they are alike in some respects... it's hard to explain, because I don't know if I can cite anything, but... I don't know... so I guess they aren't too much alike XD The thing is, we didn't see much of Malik's character after Battle City, like when they met in season 5... his character and personality had deffinatly changed a bit for the better... but it wasn't really developed that much to truely tell how he had turned out.
What you said made me picture him going around to everyone and apologizing... O.o
And it's true what you said about the fourth one... I was just proving in an odd way that YB is not abusive... a little on the extreme side to get what he wants, yes, but not abusive.
And you don't sound like a horrible person, ranting :3 I haven't been able to do something like this in a while, and at least I'm enjoying it... It's refreshing to see how much I know XD
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:30 pm
Yay! It's good to know I'm not the only one that gets ticked off at fanfics<3
Sometimes ff make me want to throw my computer against the wall because they're sooo bad and f*** the characters up so beyond reconition.
So my favorite pairings.... can't say I ship anything hardcore.. mybe puzzleshipping if I had to pick a favorite.
There's a LOT that makes me giggle because they're so crack or sick because that's so gross.
Ones that make me giggle~
Boxshipping(seriously, wtf?)
pixelshipping
switchshipping
cakeshipping(where the HELL did this one come from????)
kiddyshipping
arrogantshipping(once again, wtf?)
lots and lots more
Ones that gross me out~
sibilingshipping
relyshipping
lotusshipping
tabliodshippying(this one can send me into a rant)
..basically any of the incest ones make me gag/pissed off...it's so wrong(to me anyway, I respect others' opinions)
I'll elaborate if asked<3
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:57 am
@Nightfure: Don't worry, your words make perfect sense. XD
But yes, sooo many fanfics portray Yami no Bakura as an abusive person who does it just for the fun of it (like Yami no Malik), and those piss me off just as much as the ones where he cares for Bakura/is supportive of him. The way I see it, Bakura is someone who is valuable to his dark half, but only in the sense that he is necessary for Yami no Bakura to accomplish his goals, since he needs a body, and can also use him to trick Bakura's friends.
Don't get me wrong, I can see similarities between Bakura and Malik. XD;; I guess I worded that badly... I mean... like both seem to be easily capable of coping with and living with guilt. Malik had all the stuff he did in Battle City and throughout his life, and Bakura had his dark self hurting people (I mean, even though it wasn't really him, he had to have felt some responsibility for not controlling his own body, at least for the things he knew of, like Monster World), yet both seem to be able to get on with their lives pretty happily after all of that, even though at the same time, they seem to continue to walk with that sense of shame for what happened. I think that's the biggest thing they have in common. But then again, I still don't think it's enough of a grounds to consider them a good couple; they still are pretty different. If anything, their differences are what would make them a potentially good couple, not their similarities. Malik's anger is balanced out with Bakura's calm nature, and vice-versa.
But dude, I wish we could've seen more of post-Battle City Malik, Rishid, and Isis! D:
It would be kind of adorable if Malik apologized to everyone like that though. XD
But yes, I don't think Yami no Bakura is abusive either. XD I don't think he had a deep enough personality to be, since he really was just a manifestation of Zork, and Zork himself seemed to be more bent on a specific goal, rather than the enjoyment of hurting others. If any characters are abusive, it would be Yami no Malik, Gouzaburo, Malik's father, and Jounouchi's father... not all necessarily physically, but at least in some sense...
But yay, I'm glad you're enjoying this. XD;; I am too.
@Ghost: I get pissed off at so many fanfictions, I really should just stop reading them... but it's worth it for the few gems you do find, ya know? ^^
Heehee, I've never been too fond of incest in the YUU*GI*OU fandom (Rishid/Malik is probably the furthest I would go to thoroughly enjoying, and they're not blood related), but I am guilty of enjoying it in other fandoms. >_o But as you said, respect others' opinions, to each their own. <3
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:07 am
I'm fine with Platonic! or Brotherly!Tabloidshipping, but I guess everyone pretty much is XD I swear, YGO is the one place where I can't find a good incest ship.... I don't even like MalikxRishid (Ruseshipping) all that much... I think the master/minion mindset is still in me for those two... DX
@Kitsune: I'm glad, since I typed that up at 12 somthing this morning (or last night, depending.... it was very very late XD)
I'm fine with the ones that tweek YB's personality a bit out of character if it's for a humor fic, or a crack fic... but I tend to shy away from the ones where he's all caring (like a romance fic) or abusive (like.... a romance fic XP and some other fics)
Yeah... maybe those similarities aren't the best ground for a good couple, but it could be a ground for like... a bond or something between them... or maybe a friendship... not like a Yuugi and co friendship, maybe, but none-the-less....
So do I... sad
Yes, what you said! (about Malik apologizing and YB)
I consider myself pretty good for sorting out the type of fics I like... I have read some really bad ones, but having to find my way through the Avatar fics back in the day has helped me out a bit, I think >.< I kind of know which ones to read and not to read by the description... if one doesn't seem good, a red flag goes off in my brain XD... Sadly, I don't know what makes that flag go up or off or whatever =P
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:21 am
You'd think it'd be easy to write a good fic on Yami no Bakura (Hell, he's one of the most developed characters!) But, really, most of the minor character fics I've read are better than the Y.Bakura fics. It's hard to make him abusive/caring without overdoing it, and even doing it a slight bit seems hard.
...Dood, we should make the Y. Bakura discussion thread soon, or else this topic will be about the 'Kuras for a few pages xD
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:15 pm
I love Tabloidshipping in a platonic sense, but even in a romantic way, I have a bit of fondness for it. Not enough to consider it one of my main shippings or anything, but it can be cute. I definitely prefer Noa/Mokuba though. Awww, I guess I was just too taken with Rishid's memories to continue seeing their relationship as master/minion. I love him so much. <3 I don't think most people mind out-of-characterness for humor or crack fics, but if they're serious then... I'm pretty picky on how much I'm willing for people to be out of character. I could definitely see Bakura and Malik developing some form of relationship on those grounds. :3 OMG, I remember back when there was only one season of Avatar, all the fics were either Zutara or Mary Sue fics! D: I really, really dislike Zutara, probably more so than I dislike Silentshipping and Prideshipping, which is saying something. But one day, when the second season had just started, I realized I had never read any Avatar fanfiction, and was really in the mood for some good Zuko angst, but all I could find that fit such a category were, surprise surprise, Zutara and Mary Sue/Zuko fics. There was oooone other, kind of out on it's lonesome, that was a Zukka fic. I was pretty much indifferent to the pairing, so I decided it would have to do if I wanted some good Zuko angst. But it was such an amazing fic that I ended up falling in love with Sokka/Zuko, and it's still my favorite pairing. XD;; Not sure if you care for that pairing, but if anyone's interested: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2428065/1/Under_Wicked_SkyThe story was written before even the first season finished, so it gets some facts wrong (like I think they call Azula 'Zula,' because she was only a rumor at the time), and it also goes off into it's own canon, completely ignoring the second and third seasons, but it does so in a very convincing and awesome way. It also says that it's been edited, so they might've at least fixed Azula's name. I believe the reason it is so difficult to find good fics on Yami no Bakura is because everyone likes to do romance fics, and he's just... not a good character for that. He's too goal-oriented, like Kaiba, yet Kaiba has the advantage of being human, and therefore falling prey to at least some forms of emotion, while Yami no Bakura is really just part of an evil entity. He's evil, and doesn't care about others, so he can't exactly be loving and supportive, but at the same time, he knows what he wants and doesn't bother with sadistic games (except during Monster World, but let's just say for all intents and purposes that his character wasn't developed at that point, and therefore was a bit uncanon), so he can't be sexually abusive either, at least without being out of character. So we get a difficult character that is extremely hard to ship, even if it's fun as hell to get him to molest Kaiba. XD Interestingly enough, Yami no Bakura was going to be the next character I made a thread on. XD But before that, I've been planning a few minor guild renovations, but that should all be coming up soon. I'll put out an announcement when I've finished. Either way, it's really not a problem if we end up branching off topic into other discussions in this guild, unless of course the original author of the thread is bothered by such a thing.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:13 pm
Oooh.... NoaxMokuba sounds pretty X3 ... I don't think I've ever seriously considered that ship...
It's good to know someone loves Rishid... I don't see much Rishid love these days... not that I see Rishid hate, but people just don't seem to care about him as much... D: I love him too, I guess XD
Zukka... I might have to read that fic :3 I've never really shipped it, but I'm totally fine with it.... though my prefered Zuko ships seem to be Maiko (look! I can ship het!) and Jetko...
Poor Yami 'Kura *pets*
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:41 pm
You've never considered Noa/Mokuba? o.o But Noa's like... all over Mokuba during that arc! XD I thought that pairing was one of the most 'canon' ones for the yaoi pairings.
Yay, Rishid lovers! <3 I don't get why he doesn't get much attention... D: Is it because he's more hot in a manly way, instead of a pretty way like most of the characters? But he's such a sweetheart, and he still is really hot!
Heehee, Zukka is just so... awesome. XD It's that fun pairing where the characters will bicker all the time, and be so awkward, but then also be really passionate in bed... Zuko is just so easy to pair with most characters, with how he's easily angered, adorably awkward, passionate, compassionate, selfish, whiny, prideful, kind of dumb... you can just play off so much wit him, and Sokka is such a pervert, it works! <3 Not a big fan of Maiko myself, even though I love both the characters, mostly because the two are just... so depressing together. XD;; Like it seems like all they do is whine to each other, then smile bitterly at how bitter and emo they are together. I actually prefer to ship both Mai and Zuko with Ty Lee... >_> Not all three together, but either Mailee or Tyluko. I can ship het too! =B Jetko is made of awesome and win, by the way.
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