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 Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:51 pm
xLady Tsukiyox brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox Semiremis xLady Tsukiyox If a Muslim were to make a law saying that all women were to wear a hijab I wouldn't have a problem with it. I mean as a woman of Russian descent, many Russian women young and old wear a head covering, it's meant for modesty but it also keeps your ears from getting cold. And if you're in the desert it keeps scorpions from attacking you. So really the hijab has many purposes and can be beneficial to different parts of the country that has harsh summers and very harsh winters. Not only that but hijabs are very pretty. :3 Also, somewhere in the Bible it says that women have to wear headcoverings as a part of repenting for Eve's sin or something. And there are Israeli women, who do wear hijabs. It's not just a Muslim thing but it's a cultural thing. If a Christian were to make a similar saying that all women had to wear them would you feel the same way? I'm a Christian. I still wouldn't care. I mean seriously, it's within my mixed up culture. Besides my ears get freaking cold when the wind blows. Wearing a headscarf wouldn't hurt. Hell if someone was Japanese forced women to wear kimonos I would wear one, or someone Chinese forced women to wear a Qi Pao, I'd wear it, or Gothic Lolita, or a Sari, etc. I'd wear it. I love global fashions verses our own. Our fashions are tasteless. =.= Hell I'd even wear a corset. razz
Without being forced?
You're not mocking anyone or wearing it to offend people.Because my parents would think I'm a "freak" for wearing one. neutral Yes I still live with my parents.
Would they actively tell you that you're not allowed to wear one, or would they just think that you're strange?
I think I would like to experiment with different global fashions some day too.
It would be a cool experience.
Also I can't help wonder... I'm blond-haired, blue-eyed, and whiter than snow.
I wonder what people's reactions would be to me if I walked down the street according to Islam's definition of modesty or in, say, a sari.
Though again, not so cool on being forced to do anything. Just one day as a cultural experience.
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:40 pm
brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox Semiremis xLady Tsukiyox If a Muslim were to make a law saying that all women were to wear a hijab I wouldn't have a problem with it. I mean as a woman of Russian descent, many Russian women young and old wear a head covering, it's meant for modesty but it also keeps your ears from getting cold. And if you're in the desert it keeps scorpions from attacking you. So really the hijab has many purposes and can be beneficial to different parts of the country that has harsh summers and very harsh winters. Not only that but hijabs are very pretty. :3 Also, somewhere in the Bible it says that women have to wear headcoverings as a part of repenting for Eve's sin or something. And there are Israeli women, who do wear hijabs. It's not just a Muslim thing but it's a cultural thing. If a Christian were to make a similar saying that all women had to wear them would you feel the same way? I'm a Christian. I still wouldn't care. I mean seriously, it's within my mixed up culture. Besides my ears get freaking cold when the wind blows. Wearing a headscarf wouldn't hurt. Hell if someone was Japanese forced women to wear kimonos I would wear one, or someone Chinese forced women to wear a Qi Pao, I'd wear it, or Gothic Lolita, or a Sari, etc. I'd wear it. I love global fashions verses our own. Our fashions are tasteless. =.= Hell I'd even wear a corset. razz
Without being forced?
You're not mocking anyone or wearing it to offend people.Because my parents would think I'm a "freak" for wearing one. neutral Yes I still live with my parents.
Would they actively tell you that you're not allowed to wear one, or would they just think that you're strange?
I think I would like to experiment with different global fashions some day too.
It would be a cool experience.
Also I can't help wonder... I'm blond-haired, blue-eyed, and whiter than snow.
I wonder what people's reactions would be to me if I walked down the street according to Islam's definition of modesty or in, say, a sari.
Though again, not so cool on being forced to do anything. Just one day as a cultural experience.I've worn a t-shirt and jeans to work or my hair would be messy and my mom would call me a racial slur or just on any old day. neutral My mom claims that I have no fashion sense, except I do. I would love to wear a sari, a corset, bohemian wear, gothic wear, it's just that I hate it when my mom demeens me and I'm emotionally unstable...so yeah.. -coughs- back on subject.. Homosexuality isn't a bad thing nor should their be laws saying that they shouldn't be married for religious reasons. The fact of the matter is that we would be repeating history. Remember, back in the 60's, people said that interracial marriage was an immoral thing and there are people who still think it is today. However there are no laws saying that interracial couples can't get married. Our society is a progressive one, outlawing gay marriage would only cause it to digress, to de-evolve. What would be next? Prohibiting inter-religion couples marrying, or prohibiting interracial couples from marrying?
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:26 pm
xLady Tsukiyox brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox I'm a Christian. I still wouldn't care. I mean seriously, it's within my mixed up culture. Besides my ears get freaking cold when the wind blows. Wearing a headscarf wouldn't hurt. Hell if someone was Japanese forced women to wear kimonos I would wear one, or someone Chinese forced women to wear a Qi Pao, I'd wear it, or Gothic Lolita, or a Sari, etc. I'd wear it. I love global fashions verses our own. Our fashions are tasteless. =.= Hell I'd even wear a corset. razz
Without being forced?
You're not mocking anyone or wearing it to offend people.Because my parents would think I'm a "freak" for wearing one. neutral Yes I still live with my parents.
Would they actively tell you that you're not allowed to wear one, or would they just think that you're strange?
I think I would like to experiment with different global fashions some day too.
It would be a cool experience.
Also I can't help wonder... I'm blond-haired, blue-eyed, and whiter than snow.
I wonder what people's reactions would be to me if I walked down the street according to Islam's definition of modesty or in, say, a sari.
Though again, not so cool on being forced to do anything. Just one day as a cultural experience.I've worn a t-shirt and jeans to work or my hair would be messy and my mom would call me a racial slur or just on any old day. neutral My mom claims that I have no fashion sense, except I do. I would love to wear a sari, a corset, bohemian wear, gothic wear, it's just that I hate it when my mom demeens me and I'm emotionally unstable...so yeah.. -coughs- back on subject.. Homosexuality isn't a bad thing nor should their be laws saying that they shouldn't be married for religious reasons. The fact of the matter is that we would be repeating history. Remember, back in the 60's, people said that interracial marriage was an immoral thing and there are people who still think it is today. However there are no laws saying that interracial couples can't get married. Our society is a progressive one, outlawing gay marriage would only cause it to digress, to de-evolve. What would be next? Prohibiting inter-religion couples marrying, or prohibiting interracial couples from marrying?
On the interracial marriage idea, that's one of the reasons why I think it is simply inevitable that gay marriage will be mostly accepted in America outside of the bible belt.
I think there are a few reasons for this paranoid homophobia in certain parts of America, but regardless of what they are most of them will fade as our generation becomes the majority of voters.
@Eternal: If you want to drop it, then I will not force you to continue our debate.
But I do think that if you are having trouble defending your point of view or understanding homosexuality then you try to learn more about it before condemning it.
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:40 pm
brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox I'm a Christian. I still wouldn't care. I mean seriously, it's within my mixed up culture. Besides my ears get freaking cold when the wind blows. Wearing a headscarf wouldn't hurt. Hell if someone was Japanese forced women to wear kimonos I would wear one, or someone Chinese forced women to wear a Qi Pao, I'd wear it, or Gothic Lolita, or a Sari, etc. I'd wear it. I love global fashions verses our own. Our fashions are tasteless. =.= Hell I'd even wear a corset. razz
Without being forced?
You're not mocking anyone or wearing it to offend people.Because my parents would think I'm a "freak" for wearing one. neutral Yes I still live with my parents.
Would they actively tell you that you're not allowed to wear one, or would they just think that you're strange?
I think I would like to experiment with different global fashions some day too.
It would be a cool experience.
Also I can't help wonder... I'm blond-haired, blue-eyed, and whiter than snow.
I wonder what people's reactions would be to me if I walked down the street according to Islam's definition of modesty or in, say, a sari.
Though again, not so cool on being forced to do anything. Just one day as a cultural experience.I've worn a t-shirt and jeans to work or my hair would be messy and my mom would call me a racial slur or just on any old day. neutral My mom claims that I have no fashion sense, except I do. I would love to wear a sari, a corset, bohemian wear, gothic wear, it's just that I hate it when my mom demeens me and I'm emotionally unstable...so yeah.. -coughs- back on subject.. Homosexuality isn't a bad thing nor should their be laws saying that they shouldn't be married for religious reasons. The fact of the matter is that we would be repeating history. Remember, back in the 60's, people said that interracial marriage was an immoral thing and there are people who still think it is today. However there are no laws saying that interracial couples can't get married. Our society is a progressive one, outlawing gay marriage would only cause it to digress, to de-evolve. What would be next? Prohibiting inter-religion couples marrying, or prohibiting interracial couples from marrying?
On the interracial marriage idea, that's one of the reasons why I think it is simply inevitable that gay marriage will be mostly accepted in America outside of the bible belt.
I think there are a few reasons for this paranoid homophobia in certain parts of America, but regardless of what they are most of them will fade as our generation becomes the majority of voters.
@Eternal: If you want to drop it, then I will not force you to continue our debate.
But I do think that if you are having trouble defending your point of view or understanding homosexuality then you try to learn more about it before condemning it.We can continue other parts of the debate, but I'm not passionate about homosexuality. And I will learn more about it (I'm constantly reading. I'm bound to stumble across it some more), but I'm not gonna wait to form an opinion. I know what my religion says, and as long as I follow my religion, I gotta support everything that still applies.
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:06 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox brainnsoup xLady Tsukiyox Because my parents would think I'm a "freak" for wearing one. neutral Yes I still live with my parents.
Would they actively tell you that you're not allowed to wear one, or would they just think that you're strange?
I think I would like to experiment with different global fashions some day too.
It would be a cool experience.
Also I can't help wonder... I'm blond-haired, blue-eyed, and whiter than snow.
I wonder what people's reactions would be to me if I walked down the street according to Islam's definition of modesty or in, say, a sari.
Though again, not so cool on being forced to do anything. Just one day as a cultural experience.I've worn a t-shirt and jeans to work or my hair would be messy and my mom would call me a racial slur or just on any old day. neutral My mom claims that I have no fashion sense, except I do. I would love to wear a sari, a corset, bohemian wear, gothic wear, it's just that I hate it when my mom demeens me and I'm emotionally unstable...so yeah.. -coughs- back on subject.. Homosexuality isn't a bad thing nor should their be laws saying that they shouldn't be married for religious reasons. The fact of the matter is that we would be repeating history. Remember, back in the 60's, people said that interracial marriage was an immoral thing and there are people who still think it is today. However there are no laws saying that interracial couples can't get married. Our society is a progressive one, outlawing gay marriage would only cause it to digress, to de-evolve. What would be next? Prohibiting inter-religion couples marrying, or prohibiting interracial couples from marrying?
On the interracial marriage idea, that's one of the reasons why I think it is simply inevitable that gay marriage will be mostly accepted in America outside of the bible belt.
I think there are a few reasons for this paranoid homophobia in certain parts of America, but regardless of what they are most of them will fade as our generation becomes the majority of voters.
@Eternal: If you want to drop it, then I will not force you to continue our debate.
But I do think that if you are having trouble defending your point of view or understanding homosexuality then you try to learn more about it before condemning it.We can continue other parts of the debate, but I'm not passionate about homosexuality. And I will learn more about it (I'm constantly reading. I'm bound to stumble across it some more), but I'm not gonna wait to form an opinion. I know what my religion says, and as long as I follow my religion, I gotta support everything that still applies. Except Christianity doesn't condemn the sexuality. It condemns sex. That's it. That's all. Stop reading to into it. brainsoup: No worries. Hopefully I'll be out in the next few months, hopefully sometime in January if my friend decides to pull his head out of his a**. :3
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:26 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis What does Jesus tell us about homosexuality EternallyBlue? I don't believe He brings it up. I do think that by what He said during the stoning of the woman applies, and basically gets rid of all the violent punishments, but nothing He says or does indicates God's Will has change on the matter. And rofl brainn. Sorry to trap you Semi! rofl It doesn't trump it I agree, but there's also nothing to trump. The bible is silent on homosexuality as we think of it today, there is nothing in the bible condemning a homosexual relationship, there aren't any such relationships that are really described in the bible to begin with. There are cases of sexual acts between men which God condemns, but there are none where those sexual reacts are with two human beings who act out of love for one another as a man and woman who want to spend their lives together do. So you can't really trump something that isn't there.
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:28 pm
brainnsoup Oh no!
Semiremis, run!
You're trapped between two walls of text! D:
Haha, I should probably get some sleep... XD lol, I guess I made it out okay since I didn't realize I was trapped until now pirate
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:17 am
Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis What does Jesus tell us about homosexuality EternallyBlue? I don't believe He brings it up. I do think that by what He said during the stoning of the woman applies, and basically gets rid of all the violent punishments, but nothing He says or does indicates God's Will has change on the matter. And rofl brainn. Sorry to trap you Semi! rofl It doesn't trump it I agree, but there's also nothing to trump. The bible is silent on homosexuality as we think of it today, there is nothing in the bible condemning a homosexual relationship, there aren't any such relationships that are really described in the bible to begin with. There are cases of sexual acts between men which God condemns, but there are none where those sexual reacts are with two human beings who act out of love for one another as a man and woman who want to spend their lives together do. So you can't really trump something that isn't there. Perhaps there's nothing about that in the bible (isn't there anything really? I can still recall something that was used in an anti-homosexual article and it was from bible...), but there are still fathers of the church and the famous angelic doctor, St. Thomas... They were very strict about homosexuality.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:57 pm
Raticiel Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis What does Jesus tell us about homosexuality EternallyBlue? I don't believe He brings it up. I do think that by what He said during the stoning of the woman applies, and basically gets rid of all the violent punishments, but nothing He says or does indicates God's Will has change on the matter. And rofl brainn. Sorry to trap you Semi! rofl It doesn't trump it I agree, but there's also nothing to trump. The bible is silent on homosexuality as we think of it today, there is nothing in the bible condemning a homosexual relationship, there aren't any such relationships that are really described in the bible to begin with. There are cases of sexual acts between men which God condemns, but there are none where those sexual reacts are with two human beings who act out of love for one another as a man and woman who want to spend their lives together do. So you can't really trump something that isn't there. Perhaps there's nothing about that in the bible (isn't there anything really? I can still recall something that was used in an anti-homosexual article and it was from bible...), but there are still fathers of the church and the famous angelic doctor, St. Thomas... They were very strict about homosexuality. The Church is still fairly strict about homosexuality. Just being attracted to someone of the same sex is not a sin, acting on those feelings is an act of grave depravity according to the Church. I don't think the bible is in agreement with that position though, at least not in the cases where it's a matter of love and respect.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:50 pm
xxEternallyBluexx We can continue other parts of the debate, but I'm not passionate about homosexuality. And I will learn more about it (I'm constantly reading. I'm bound to stumble across it some more), but I'm not gonna wait to form an opinion. I know what my religion says, and as long as I follow my religion, I gotta support everything that still applies.
On who would be hurt by removing bans on same-sex marriage, you said that parents and children of gay couples would suffer.
But I disagree.
Parents may feel betrayed if they are against homosexuality to begin with. But that has little to do with marriage. They will still be gay whether or not they are allowed to marry. If I had a child who was gay, I would be more hurt by the fact that he wouldn't be allowed to marry. I want my future children to be happy.
And many parents disapprove of the spouse their child picks. But we don't make it illegal to marry someone who your parents do not approve of.
We do not make interracial marriage illegal for the sake of parents who want their children to marry someone of their ethnicity.
And on children, well you are aware that there is no law saying that same-sex couples can't raise kids, right?
Many gay couples adopt or find a surrogate.
Like I said, normally I would just let the issue go.
But this is something that I'm very passionate about and that is a real issue in America.
And I think you're misinformed.
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:04 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx We can continue other parts of the debate, but I'm not passionate about homosexuality. And I will learn more about it (I'm constantly reading. I'm bound to stumble across it some more), but I'm not gonna wait to form an opinion. I know what my religion says, and as long as I follow my religion, I gotta support everything that still applies.
On who would be hurt by removing bans on same-sex marriage, you said that parents and children of gay couples would suffer.
But I disagree.
Parents may feel betrayed if they are against homosexuality to begin with. But that has little to do with marriage. They will still be gay whether or not they are allowed to marry. If I had a child who was gay, I would be more hurt by the fact that he wouldn't be allowed to marry. I want my future children to be happy.
And many parents disapprove of the spouse their child picks. But we don't make it illegal to marry someone who your parents do not approve of.
We do not make interracial marriage illegal for the sake of parents who want their children to marry someone of their ethnicity.
And on children, well you are aware that there is no law saying that same-sex couples can't raise kids, right?
Many gay couples adopt or find a surrogate.
Like I said, normally I would just let the issue go.
But this is something that I'm very passionate about and that is a real issue in America.
And I think you're misinformed.Okay, good point. But I still think homosexuality is wrong (I refer back to my argument about being uncomfortable to it with no reason to be uncomfortable with it.), especially if you act on it. If I think it's sin, then I'm going to avoid legalizing it. Part of it is as soon as you allow the marriage, you're saying homosexuality is okay, and I honestly don't believe it is. And I can see you're passionate. Part of the reason why I want to stop, is because I don't want to go further and offend you. And part of it is me conceding I have more to learn to support my beliefs.
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