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 Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:40 pm
Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 Tell me, how will there not be confrontation, isolation and conflict if you take three people, tell each of them that there is only one god, and only by that god will anyone get into heaven and all others are sinners. Each believes their god blindly. Then you put the three of them in an enclosed room together to replecate what would happen on a much larger scale. The very concept of a higher being revolves around an impossible neanderthol explenation to an equally impossible question. Morals were NOT established by religion, there have been many scientific studies into morality, certain species of animals closely related to humans show morals. Morality is not born from a fear of being judged in the afterlife, nor is it born from sucking upto a pixie in the clouds, morality is a naturally occuring and continuously evolving phenomenon. Many biblical morals are now very outdated and that causes a lot of conflict, mostly in the area of homosexuality and birth control. I believe there is a passage in the old testement that explicitly states that anyone who tries to steer you away from god should be stoned to death, that you should viciously murder him in any way possible. confused Religion IS blind faith, god IS blind faith. There is no proof nor evidence, therefore it is FAITH. Regardless of whom you follow, a preacher, a holy book or the product of your own overactive imagination and the unanswerable questions of life and death Quote: when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion
The three people have been misled for one thing. Let me make it abundantly clear to all who don't understand that the God that Jews follow, the God that Christians follow, and the God that Muslims follow is the same one. Religion is far from blind faith, it is one of the main balancing factors to what civilization is. Belief in an afterlife and to a God can be dated all the way back to the oldest laws in man. It is Hammurabi's law code that also establishes a set of rules and morality based on the judgment of the Gods. It is in our nature to be wondering if there is a God. If you would like proof take a look and read the Quran and the Torah for yourself it speaks of science YES SCIENCE THE VERY THING ATHEISTS SAY IS THE ONE PROOF. They cover the fetus formation, sperm deciding gender, mountain formation. All concepts only recently discovered within the last century and a half are discussed almost a millennium earlier . These barbaric principles as you call them are the very basis of human culture today, chemistry, birth control and contraception, free education to women are all encouraged in the Quran and Torah (SHOCKING!!). The only problem is human spite and misinterpretation. Without the aid of a belief in God we would be nomadic people still. Religion and belief in something is what brings an entire culture together and eventually builds civilizations. Also as said earlier much of the Bible is mistranslated, misconstrued, and many of its text destroyed or denied entrance into the text of the Bible. The Church only allowed such passages to make the people fear them and to have an excuse to make examples of people. That does not prove religions terrible qualities, it only further proves the evils of human greed and lust for power.
Faith, that is an interesting topic. When you are raised in a nice little barrio in Queensbridge, Compton, Vancouver, the Bronx and the only thing that you can look to so that you try to avoid crime is an afterlife of reward I doubt you would have much time for atheism. Because once thats gone thats when crime comes and reigns hence the MS13, the Bloods, the Crips, the Latin Kings. When faith is lost, it gives way to a breakdown of a system. This is established historically yes HISTORICALLY in the cases of Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, India, Nepal, and many other places. So tell me if it keeps people from committing acts of rape, homicide, and extortion can it be considered insane?I'm not interested in what any ancient texts say about science. There is a distinct difference between science and ancient text. Science is evolving, there are constant advancements and EVERYTHING is questioned. In religion there is a book written thousands of years ago which no one may change lest their immortal souls be ripped apart over and over for all eternity, people who don't believe, burn. Richard dawkins on yaweh, the god of the old testement Quote: arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Religion does not, never has and never will further ANYTHING. becuase religion is stationary, it does not change, there is a book and rules and that is it. Nothing else. No questions asked. The reason we don't commit acts of rape, homicide and extortion is not because of religion at all! As humans morals are engrained into our beings not through religion, but because we do not wish to create nor live in the kind of society in which those things happen! The same behaviour can be seem throughout the small scale societies of animals such as apes. Now I doubt that they believe in a god and actively worship it beyond question.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:59 pm
yokomotoz Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 Tell me, how will there not be confrontation, isolation and conflict if you take three people, tell each of them that there is only one god, and only by that god will anyone get into heaven and all others are sinners. Each believes their god blindly. Then you put the three of them in an enclosed room together to replecate what would happen on a much larger scale. The very concept of a higher being revolves around an impossible neanderthol explenation to an equally impossible question. Morals were NOT established by religion, there have been many scientific studies into morality, certain species of animals closely related to humans show morals. Morality is not born from a fear of being judged in the afterlife, nor is it born from sucking upto a pixie in the clouds, morality is a naturally occuring and continuously evolving phenomenon. Many biblical morals are now very outdated and that causes a lot of conflict, mostly in the area of homosexuality and birth control. I believe there is a passage in the old testement that explicitly states that anyone who tries to steer you away from god should be stoned to death, that you should viciously murder him in any way possible. confused Religion IS blind faith, god IS blind faith. There is no proof nor evidence, therefore it is FAITH. Regardless of whom you follow, a preacher, a holy book or the product of your own overactive imagination and the unanswerable questions of life and death Quote: when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion
The three people have been misled for one thing. Let me make it abundantly clear to all who don't understand that the God that Jews follow, the God that Christians follow, and the God that Muslims follow is the same one. Religion is far from blind faith, it is one of the main balancing factors to what civilization is. Belief in an afterlife and to a God can be dated all the way back to the oldest laws in man. It is Hammurabi's law code that also establishes a set of rules and morality based on the judgment of the Gods. It is in our nature to be wondering if there is a God. If you would like proof take a look and read the Quran and the Torah for yourself it speaks of science YES SCIENCE THE VERY THING ATHEISTS SAY IS THE ONE PROOF. They cover the fetus formation, sperm deciding gender, mountain formation. All concepts only recently discovered within the last century and a half are discussed almost a millennium earlier . These barbaric principles as you call them are the very basis of human culture today, chemistry, birth control and contraception, free education to women are all encouraged in the Quran and Torah (SHOCKING!!). The only problem is human spite and misinterpretation. Without the aid of a belief in God we would be nomadic people still. Religion and belief in something is what brings an entire culture together and eventually builds civilizations. Also as said earlier much of the Bible is mistranslated, misconstrued, and many of its text destroyed or denied entrance into the text of the Bible. The Church only allowed such passages to make the people fear them and to have an excuse to make examples of people. That does not prove religions terrible qualities, it only further proves the evils of human greed and lust for power.
Faith, that is an interesting topic. When you are raised in a nice little barrio in Queensbridge, Compton, Vancouver, the Bronx and the only thing that you can look to so that you try to avoid crime is an afterlife of reward I doubt you would have much time for atheism. Because once thats gone thats when crime comes and reigns hence the MS13, the Bloods, the Crips, the Latin Kings. When faith is lost, it gives way to a breakdown of a system. This is established historically yes HISTORICALLY in the cases of Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, India, Nepal, and many other places. So tell me if it keeps people from committing acts of rape, homicide, and extortion can it be considered insane?I'm not interested in what any ancient texts say about science. There is a distinct difference between science and ancient text. Science is evolving, there are constant advancements and EVERYTHING is questioned. In religion there is a book written thousands of years ago which no one may change lest their immortal souls be ripped apart over and over for all eternity, people who don't believe, burn. Richard dawkins on yaweh, the god of the old testement Quote: arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Religion does not, never has and never will further ANYTHING. becuase religion is stationary, it does not change, there is a book and rules and that is it. Nothing else. No questions asked. The reason we don't commit acts of rape, homicide and extortion is not because of religion at all! As humans morals are engrained into our beings not through religion, but because we do not wish to create nor live in the kind of society in which those things happen! The same behaviour can be seem throughout the small scale societies of animals such as apes. Now I doubt that they believe in a god and actively worship it beyond question. Of course there are people that kill and believe it's right, many of those people are religious. Therefore people will break moral rules regardless of where they come from or how they are enforced, but that does not mean that humans do not have a nature to be humane without the external influence of religion and threats of hellfire. Of course something needs to set the ball rolling, but why choose to potentially psychologically scar a young child with images of hell, why hide the truth from the child with a blindfold of faith and promises of life after death just because it feels good and is reassuring. Exposing children to ANY kind of faith is sick and morally wrong, children are incredibly impressionable when they are young, drilling such nonsense, from a purely scientific viewpoint, into their minds at such a young age cannot be disputed morally. Of course the scriptures have been editted and changed... so why the hell do people take them so literally and with such an extremist attitude?! Didn't Abraham willingly make an offering of his child? What kind of a guy is that?! I know I certainly would not like to follow any kind of religion that was set in motion by such a person. I always assumed the mathematical system of 10 is because we have ten fingers, but whatever, counting systems are hardly important, they will be there no matter what The figure 0 would have undoubtably come about also confused You say that the establishment of the holy roman empire and america were caused by religion as if they were good things confused Religion has NOT furthered anything, the people that follow them have, that does not automatically mean that religion was the cause for the furthering. Like I've said before, apes show a system of morality, they are closely related to humans, unless of course you believe that god magically created humans in his image from dust and ribs, therefore there is morality without religion.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:13 pm
You say that people that follow religions have furthered things and benefited humanity, and yet you blame religion on the terrible actions of people and their misconceptions. That contradiction in itself proves that you really have a dim understanding of religion and its basic tenets. Also Abraham's never made a sacrifice out of his child, he was ordered to but was stopped by the Archangel Gabriel. It was a test of faith in God, you know just like if I were to trust my friend with my massive amounts of money and see if he spends it or not. Also the counting systems and large numbers were established not based on finger counting, naturally fingers gave rise to the concepts of it yet religion was the factor that continued it. In what way to apes show a system of morality and similarity to humans other than warring, killing, sexual drive, and a leadership chain. Also the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire and America are referred to as bad things, yes they did many bad things, but yet again your contradiction comes into play. You are so quick to blame religion for all of the evils but the good things are the actions of people. Contradictory all around, thats what I really dislike about a lot of people that don't study both sides of the story. Please don't blame the ills of the world on religion, and the wonders of it on people who followed religions. Also is it so wrong to encourage a child to abstain from sex until marriage and not have sex unless its for love? Is it wrong to encourage humanitarian efforts? Is it wrong to give faith to a child so that he or she may do right and be productive? What does basic science promote? Just fact, no morals. Hence why science and religion are necessary and if you understand and read religions then you would know that religion encourages science, its only people have misconstrued it.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:23 pm
In my home lan, (So to speak) we don't do religin but we just... pray. I beleave in God only when you think... in your heart. That's what my mum said.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:26 pm
I've never been a religious person.
But I never take a slam out of people for what tehy believe in. If they want to believe in God, that's fine. It's their opinion.
But, I don't like it when peopel go forcing stuff on me.
Like "you should believe in God! Or you will go to hell"
And stuff like that. (That's just an example, I've heard people say it before as well).
If I don't believe in anything religious, how can I go to hell? I don't believe in it.
You can't go to place you don't believe in.
That's just messed up.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:28 pm
Shes right, how do we have a good life if we went to church. Does it help improve our living? It depands on the person, but mostly it never worked. But... I think I had enough.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:29 pm
How is that a contradiction? I am not saying that everyone who is religous is bad, I am saying that the concept and the people running it are. the majority of People are only religious because of the family they are born into, for most of history it has been a great taboo to even suggest that religion is wrong. Quote: If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. . . .(Deuteronomy 13:7–11) Religion should be allowed to be critisised just the same as anything else, it is an IDEA, and should be treated the same way as all other ideas. Of course bringing up a child into a faith is wrong! Faith should be found not forcefed. If people want to believe fine! it's up to them, they should just leave other people out of it, everywhere we go in todays society you see people trying to convert you. Science promotes the truth. If you don't want that fine! I don't care. If you want to feel secure that a god loves you and you want to waste time in this life to make the next life which may or may not exist better for yourself, great. But if you want truth with evidence and continual exploration and adaptation, science offers that. In this day and age atheists have morals, we no longer need divine threats and promises to be good people. We can survive without the needless conflict and agrivation of religion.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:31 pm
Duchess Dill I've never been a religious person. But I never take a slam out of people for what tehy believe in. If they want to believe in God, that's fine. It's their opinion. But, I don't like it when peopel go forcing stuff on me. Like "you should believe in God! Or you will go to hell" And stuff like that. (That's just an example, I've heard people say it before as well). If I don't believe in anything religious, how can I go to hell? I don't believe in it. You can't go to place you don't believe in. That's just messed up. Why should people leave religion alone? It's been a taboo and always has been, like i said earlier, it's an idea, people should be allowed to critisise it the same way that they critisise political parties.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:13 pm
Cornetto1 How is that a contradiction? I am not saying that everyone who is religous is bad, I am saying that the concept and the people running it are. the majority of People are only religious because of the family they are born into, for most of history it has been a great taboo to even suggest that religion is wrong. Quote: If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. . . .(Deuteronomy 13:7–11) Religion should be allowed to be critisised just the same as anything else, it is an IDEA, and should be treated the same way as all other ideas. Of course bringing up a child into a faith is wrong! Faith should be found not forcefed. If people want to believe fine! it's up to them, they should just leave other people out of it, everywhere we go in todays society you see people trying to convert you. Science promotes the truth. If you don't want that fine! I don't care. If you want to feel secure that a god loves you and you want to waste time in this life to make the next life which may or may not exist better for yourself, great. But if you want truth with evidence and continual exploration and adaptation, science offers that. In this day and age atheists have morals, we no longer need divine threats and promises to be good people. We can survive without the needless conflict and agrivation of religion.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:51 pm
[...♥]Wow, this brought in a few customers.
I was just getting ready to change
today's topic too. Anywhoo
@ Yoko- What I ment by mention of christainity on public
broadcasting is simple things like changing things like
Merry Christmas to Happy Holidays. I was talking a little more
on the political correctness aspect in that sense.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:24 pm
yokomotoz Cornetto1 How is that a contradiction? I am not saying that everyone who is religous is bad, I am saying that the concept and the people running it are. the majority of People are only religious because of the family they are born into, for most of history it has been a great taboo to even suggest that religion is wrong. Quote: If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. . . .(Deuteronomy 13:7–11) Religion should be allowed to be critisised just the same as anything else, it is an IDEA, and should be treated the same way as all other ideas. Of course bringing up a child into a faith is wrong! Faith should be found not forcefed. If people want to believe fine! it's up to them, they should just leave other people out of it, everywhere we go in todays society you see people trying to convert you. Science promotes the truth. If you don't want that fine! I don't care. If you want to feel secure that a god loves you and you want to waste time in this life to make the next life which may or may not exist better for yourself, great. But if you want truth with evidence and continual exploration and adaptation, science offers that. In this day and age atheists have morals, we no longer need divine threats and promises to be good people. We can survive without the needless conflict and agrivation of religion. At least there is more evidence on this side of the equation without resorting to bronze age fairy tales
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:03 pm
Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 How is that a contradiction? I am not saying that everyone who is religous is bad, I am saying that the concept and the people running it are. the majority of People are only religious because of the family they are born into, for most of history it has been a great taboo to even suggest that religion is wrong. Quote: If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. . . .(Deuteronomy 13:7–11) Religion should be allowed to be critisised just the same as anything else, it is an IDEA, and should be treated the same way as all other ideas. Of course bringing up a child into a faith is wrong! Faith should be found not forcefed. If people want to believe fine! it's up to them, they should just leave other people out of it, everywhere we go in todays society you see people trying to convert you. Science promotes the truth. If you don't want that fine! I don't care. If you want to feel secure that a god loves you and you want to waste time in this life to make the next life which may or may not exist better for yourself, great. But if you want truth with evidence and continual exploration and adaptation, science offers that. In this day and age atheists have morals, we no longer need divine threats and promises to be good people. We can survive without the needless conflict and agrivation of religion. At least there is more evidence on this side of the equation without resorting to bronze age fairy tales
You believe in God and do right you got a chance to get to heaven.
Don't believe in God and no heaven no biggie people no matter what have their reservations and do indulge.
Don't believe in God and there is a heaven and hell you go to hell.
Believe in God nothing there nothing happens.
Now whether or not you believe in God is up to you but to me 3/4 gets me a decent ending so I'm jumping on the bandwagon. Not gonna risk things like that.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:31 pm
yokomotoz Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 How is that a contradiction? I am not saying that everyone who is religous is bad, I am saying that the concept and the people running it are. the majority of People are only religious because of the family they are born into, for most of history it has been a great taboo to even suggest that religion is wrong. Quote: If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. . . .(Deuteronomy 13:7–11) Religion should be allowed to be critisised just the same as anything else, it is an IDEA, and should be treated the same way as all other ideas. Of course bringing up a child into a faith is wrong! Faith should be found not forcefed. If people want to believe fine! it's up to them, they should just leave other people out of it, everywhere we go in todays society you see people trying to convert you. Science promotes the truth. If you don't want that fine! I don't care. If you want to feel secure that a god loves you and you want to waste time in this life to make the next life which may or may not exist better for yourself, great. But if you want truth with evidence and continual exploration and adaptation, science offers that. In this day and age atheists have morals, we no longer need divine threats and promises to be good people. We can survive without the needless conflict and agrivation of religion. At least there is more evidence on this side of the equation without resorting to bronze age fairy tales
You believe in God and do right you got a chance to get to heaven.
Don't believe in God and no heaven no biggie people no matter what have their reservations and do indulge.
Don't believe in God and there is a heaven and hell you go to hell.
Believe in God nothing there nothing happens.
Now whether or not you believe in God is up to you but to me 3/4 gets me a decent ending so I'm jumping on the bandwagon. Not gonna risk things like that.Yes, but science continually changes, whereas religion never does, not "legitimately" anyway. Lol, those odds are hardly correct, that's like saying there a three outcomes from jumping off a skyscraper, you die, you get rescued by a passing superhero, or you fall up instead of down and pass into orbit somehow still surviving despite the lack of oxygen ect. and saying that each of those outcomes are perfectly equal, 2/3 means you survive and something interesting happens, so why not go skyscraper jumping? Religion is a human concept, in the vast infinite universe there are undoubtably billions of other forms of intelligent life, and I bet that if contact is ever made they will not have a concept of religion. So do they all go to hell? Frankly, if there is a god, I think he would be proud that people would question him, that they have independant thought and that they think for themselves, striving for the truth. It's a bit of an insecure god who asks for nothing more than for people to believe in him confused Why not ask above all else that they love him? Or that they love each other?
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:31 am
Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 How is that a contradiction? I am not saying that everyone who is religous is bad, I am saying that the concept and the people running it are. the majority of People are only religious because of the family they are born into, for most of history it has been a great taboo to even suggest that religion is wrong. Quote: If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. . . .(Deuteronomy 13:7–11) Religion should be allowed to be critisised just the same as anything else, it is an IDEA, and should be treated the same way as all other ideas. Of course bringing up a child into a faith is wrong! Faith should be found not forcefed. If people want to believe fine! it's up to them, they should just leave other people out of it, everywhere we go in todays society you see people trying to convert you. Science promotes the truth. If you don't want that fine! I don't care. If you want to feel secure that a god loves you and you want to waste time in this life to make the next life which may or may not exist better for yourself, great. But if you want truth with evidence and continual exploration and adaptation, science offers that. In this day and age atheists have morals, we no longer need divine threats and promises to be good people. We can survive without the needless conflict and agrivation of religion. At least there is more evidence on this side of the equation without resorting to bronze age fairy tales
You believe in God and do right you got a chance to get to heaven.
Don't believe in God and no heaven no biggie people no matter what have their reservations and do indulge.
Don't believe in God and there is a heaven and hell you go to hell.
Believe in God nothing there nothing happens.
Now whether or not you believe in God is up to you but to me 3/4 gets me a decent ending so I'm jumping on the bandwagon. Not gonna risk things like that.Yes, but science continually changes, whereas religion never does, not "legitimately" anyway. Lol, those odds are hardly correct, that's like saying there a three outcomes from jumping off a skyscraper, you die, you get rescued by a passing superhero, or you fall up instead of down and pass into orbit somehow still surviving despite the lack of oxygen ect. and saying that each of those outcomes are perfectly equal, 2/3 means you survive and something interesting happens, so why not go skyscraper jumping? Religion is a human concept, in the vast infinite universe there are undoubtably billions of other forms of intelligent life, and I bet that if contact is ever made they will not have a concept of religion. So do they all go to hell? Frankly, if there is a god, I think he would be proud that people would question him, that they have independant thought and that they think for themselves, striving for the truth. It's a bit of an insecure god who asks for nothing more than for people to believe in him confused Why not ask above all else that they love him? Or that they love each other?
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:23 am
I'm not hetero-sexual.
I'm not homosexual.
I'm not bi-sexual
I'm just. . sexual. ;D
Well, I only talk sexual. I'm pretty clean in my sexual life. Hell, I never made out before.
Teens don't need all that sexual junk yet. Half of them really dont' even know what there doing. >P
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