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Hey!
Thats true >.>
Well, you cant blame me. I havent gotten paid from my stupid job in over a month, and all I've got is a Battleforce.
Now looking back, I realise that I DID forget calculations for my beserkers, and I'm fairly sure I forgot it for the rhino. God damn Im not smrt >.>

Anyways, I've got a question.
What would be better for my heavy support choice?
Obliterators (1-2) or Havoc squad?

And On a sidenote, I'm thinking of getting chosen terminators. Suggestions?

And now that I think about it, I meant to put Dual lighting claws for my HQ choice. I can do that, right?
Actually, I havent assembled my HQ yet >.>. what SHOULD I give him?

William - I dont have an IG codex, so I have nothing to add.

Freeman - Why counter attack for your one vet skill on the bezesrkers? Theyd probably be better with move through cover, or hell furiouse charge stacked on top of what they already have (unless this isnt possible, I have never realy read up on Khorne amries).

Yes, yes, yes.

Khorne only uses their Rhino's to be a shield from fire. Move 12" (Which, if you have a talisman of Burning blood on the squads, is what you'll usually be doing), face the enemy with the side armor, pop smoke, and wait out the turn. Enemy can only destroy the Rhino, so it blocks LoS to your berzerkers behind it. If it lives and is still mobile, move it foward again for a final screen. If immobile, run around. If destroyed, even assuming wiffage, your squad now has a cover save to go along with it.

More Wargear on the lord may be prefered, you only used 40 Wargear points.

Bikers? Three of 'em, right? Either scrap 'em, or add on to them. Right now, they're just something you can use to attempt and distract a squad for one turn. The 112 points can net you either 8 Unupgraded CSM (8 x 14 = 112), or 4 Khorne Berzerkers with a 3pt vet skill, Frags, and Chain Axes. Either way, more models with the same save.

Do you intend to charge foward with either the missile or heavy bolter squads? If not, dropping the 'nades is 24 free points (Another Berz or CSM with special weapon).

Mutated hull isn't needed on a rhino, smoke launcher and extra armor do well enough for a better cost. 22 points freed there.

Drop the plasma's on the Khorne guys. They ain't going to be firing much. Also, 12 Berz is 228 before anything other then marks.

Problem, you say? Wait! With those simple point cuts, 158 points have been freed. Enough to add Chainaxes to the Berzerkers (130 points left), give them a champ (117), give them frags and some veteran skill (69-93 left) and then add on to other things.

Minimal of 2 more models capable of being added, max of 6.

Also, about the lords P-Pistol: If you want it for light anti-tank work, replace it with a Combi-Melta. 2+ to hit with a re-roll, S8, AP1, and, if in 6", 2D6 pen. Plus, if the shot fails, you can charge in with the chain fist. Sure, only one shot, but the rest of the time you can be jumping back and firing from 24" with the Combi-Bolter. If you want CC, count it as a CC weapon and buy mutation (only takes 1 point from the freed amount). Gives you 3 base, termi, x2, and mutation for a total of 6 base, 7 on the charge. If you just wanted it due to modeling, well, a Kai Gun is 10 points more (Not too bad with the freed points). Sure, it's only S6, though AP3 and 2 shots make it quite decent.

Resilience may also be good for the lord. Why?

Watch a guard players face in 750 points when you tell him your 160 point lord has 4 T5 wounds, along with a 2+ save. They'll be mightly pissed.

The way i view it is, counter attack is better for forces thatll be doing close range firing, such as those that are using infiltrate or nurgle marines. You only have one vet skill to add on if youre giving the mark of khorne. So Furiouse charge would make them even more kick a** in CC, wheras move through cover would allow them to use the rougher terrain on the board to move up with less chances of being shot at. Once again though Khornate armies are what i know the least about in regards to chaos.

You're a drop army. Your goal is to blow everything up that could harm you in HtH in one turn of Rapid Firing, whilst a hidden powerfist in the squads deals with anything that does get it. Leadership 9 (Heroic is 9, correct?), with re-roll, for your leadership goes quite far. Conscripts also don't benifit from Sharpshooters. Sure, they're a 200 point shield unit.... that's only a 200 point shield unit.

If you need them to fill up points, though, that's okay. Though when in return you could get something like 2 Squads of 5 Storm Troopers, each with 2 Melta's, which does more damage overall?


And they would charge the conscripts? xP Unlikely. More then likely, GD would jump over the conscripts to reach something behind them, and Abbaddon could shoot 'em up with his Chosen.

Sure, they may be a combat sink, but considering the enemy only need avoid them, you need to work to get into combat. Though I will admit, against things like Tau and Necrons, they are useful. Why? Drop a PF on the Commissar. Hits 'Crons on 4's, kills on 2's. For Tau? Impossible (Almost) to bring them below 10 in one turn of shooting, so the next round you can charge his fancy FW squad with something that is, although as skilled as them, charging, I3, and led by a character likely to get 2-3 kills a turn.

Hint though with Commissars: Never put them in command squads. If the officer fails, he's killed. 55-triple-digit point drop due to one poor dice roll.

Conscripts and Commissars can be useful. What enemy does she commonly play, though?

'Nids? They'll last long[/sarcasm]. Tau? They'll last long[/none]. Armored company? Dear god, the lack of Anti-Tank is painful....

Quite nice balance, some mobility with the chimera, plasma guns rarely go wrong in the marine-dominated universe, autocannons are strong enough to take on light vehicles and have goodr rate of fire, slim on doctrines, officers provide stable Ld thru iron discipline. Good work, cadet, youre promoted to command platoon! ^_-

Im not a fan of the dreads due to their unpredictability, Ill leave that for the orks. Defiler's are nice for having some artillery backing you up, as are predators. Id have to reread your list though, which i havent.

So rather, what niche are you looking to fill?