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 Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:40 am
Sarcasm Gasm Bleh. I'm not religious at all. Infact I think being religious just makes things worse for everyone. Support science and fact. Believe in the greater good. Religion is a selfish endeavor. I support the practice of good morals but not the aspect of belief for personal gain. End of.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:46 am
Religion causes and actively breeds ignorance and incredibly abrasive confrontation, isolation and conflict. It is frankly incredibly moronic and morally wrong. Blind unquestioned belief in something is never good
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:25 pm
Christianity is my religion, because of the coincidence the bible has in real life. I have no idea why people have a problem with christianity and not bhuddism, but the bible said that such things would happen.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:32 pm
There are incredible amounts of evidence against religion... why do you deny the facts and go on blind faith?
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:35 pm
I think I discussed this earlier on religion. Other than in Quranic context or intellectual debate you cannot give any image to God, Muhammed, or even Jesus, and all the prophets for that matter. You say that it is considered wrong to mention Jesus or portray him in a movie explain to me the Passion of the Christ, The Nativity Story, the many cartoons and Christmas specials blared all over television. In Islam or Judaism it is illegal and punishable by death to ever put their prophets in any television special. Please do some research on these things before you start acting on it. Also publicly speaking about Jesus is one of the biggest money makers for those fake Christian pastors, its not considered wrong. Also please look into religions before you make blatant statements on them. Christianity says that Jews that follow Judaism can enter heaven, Islam says that people of all religions can enter heaven if the follow God's laws including Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, etc. etc. Judaism is the only one that really portrays itself as if you follow us your in and if you don't your not in. And even if you believe if you violate the laws of the religion and you are unrepentant then you will be dammed to hell.
Cornetto1 religions are unlike what you say do not in its context lead to abrasive confrontation, isolation, and conflict. Human misconception does this, the concept of a higher being is far from moronic or morally wrong as many religions establish many of the moralities that we have today. Also if you read into religions that you despise so much you will see that all of the holy books it says that you must discover God not follow a preacher unquestioningly and you must discover God for yourself. Those that unquestioning follow religions and submit to radicalism or just blind following are not allowed into heaven which makes it so exclusive. Please do research before you make any unfounded strong statements like that.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:39 pm
Cornetto1 There are incredible amounts of evidence against religion... why do you deny the facts and go on blind faith?
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:44 pm
yokomotoz- Well put. I was going to say something but it seems you took many of the key points. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:48 pm
Tell me, how will there not be confrontation, isolation and conflict if you take three people, tell each of them that there is only one god, and only by that god will anyone get into heaven and all others are sinners. Each believes their god blindly. Then you put the three of them in an enclosed room together to replecate what would happen on a much larger scale. The very concept of a higher being revolves around an impossible neanderthol explenation to an equally impossible question. Morals were NOT established by religion, there have been many scientific studies into morality, certain species of animals closely related to humans show morals. Morality is not born from a fear of being judged in the afterlife, nor is it born from sucking upto a pixie in the clouds, morality is a naturally occuring and continuously evolving phenomenon. Many biblical morals are now very outdated and that causes a lot of conflict, mostly in the area of homosexuality and birth control. I believe there is a passage in the old testement that explicitly states that anyone who tries to steer you away from god should be stoned to death, that you should viciously murder him in any way possible. confused Religion IS blind faith, god IS blind faith. There is no proof nor evidence, therefore it is FAITH. Regardless of whom you follow, a preacher, a holy book or the product of your own overactive imagination and the unanswerable questions of life and death Quote: when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:50 pm
30_Lashes yokomotoz- Well put. I was going to say something but it seems you took many of the key points. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:58 pm
yokomotoz Cornetto1 There are incredible amounts of evidence against religion... why do you deny the facts and go on blind faith? How about common sense for starters. confused The very concept of religion is based on an overblown fairy tale told to the bereived and eldery by humans years ago in hope to comfort them. Think about it, somone is alive, the next day, BOOM, gone. This would spawn the question in the distorted and primitive minds of the families "where did he go?", "will I ever see him again". Later on in time people would question the origins of the earth and the people and animals around them. They would have based the ideas of creation around other things that they had created, pots or houses for example. The universe must have been built. Through further speculation they must have settled on the idea that a big superhuman must have built everything, since humans were pretty much the only things that have the ability to build stuff. Therefore humans created god in their own image. What do you do to people that create you? You worship them, they worshipped this skylord as they did their ancestors. From that spawned elaborate stories and tales and people believing they were sons of gods and people blaming their sleeping around behind their parnters god on divine rape and such. This is merely speculation into how religion may have been formulated, but it is a perfectly reasonable origin. Much more reasonable than the theories put forward by those who believe in gods and miracles.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:06 pm
Cornetto1 Tell me, how will there not be confrontation, isolation and conflict if you take three people, tell each of them that there is only one god, and only by that god will anyone get into heaven and all others are sinners. Each believes their god blindly. Then you put the three of them in an enclosed room together to replecate what would happen on a much larger scale. The very concept of a higher being revolves around an impossible neanderthol explenation to an equally impossible question. Morals were NOT established by religion, there have been many scientific studies into morality, certain species of animals closely related to humans show morals. Morality is not born from a fear of being judged in the afterlife, nor is it born from sucking upto a pixie in the clouds, morality is a naturally occuring and continuously evolving phenomenon. Many biblical morals are now very outdated and that causes a lot of conflict, mostly in the area of homosexuality and birth control. I believe there is a passage in the old testement that explicitly states that anyone who tries to steer you away from god should be stoned to death, that you should viciously murder him in any way possible. confused Religion IS blind faith, god IS blind faith. There is no proof nor evidence, therefore it is FAITH. Regardless of whom you follow, a preacher, a holy book or the product of your own overactive imagination and the unanswerable questions of life and death Quote: when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion
The three people have been misled for one thing. Let me make it abundantly clear to all who don't understand that the God that Jews follow, the God that Christians follow, and the God that Muslims follow is the same one. Religion is far from blind faith, it is one of the main balancing factors to what civilization is. Belief in an afterlife and to a God can be dated all the way back to the oldest laws in man. It is Hammurabi's law code that also establishes a set of rules and morality based on the judgment of the Gods. It is in our nature to be wondering if there is a God. If you would like proof take a look and read the Quran and the Torah for yourself it speaks of science YES SCIENCE THE VERY THING ATHEISTS SAY IS THE ONE PROOF. They cover the fetus formation, sperm deciding gender, mountain formation. All concepts only recently discovered within the last century and a half are discussed almost a millennium earlier . These barbaric principles as you call them are the very basis of human culture today, chemistry, birth control and contraception, free education to women are all encouraged in the Quran and Torah (SHOCKING!!). The only problem is human spite and misinterpretation. Without the aid of a belief in God we would be nomadic people still. Religion and belief in something is what brings an entire culture together and eventually builds civilizations. Also as said earlier much of the Bible is mistranslated, misconstrued, and many of its text destroyed or denied entrance into the text of the Bible. The Church only allowed such passages to make the people fear them and to have an excuse to make examples of people. That does not prove religions terrible qualities, it only further proves the evils of human greed and lust for power.
Faith, that is an interesting topic. When you are raised in a nice little barrio in Queensbridge, Compton, Vancouver, the Bronx and the only thing that you can look to so that you try to avoid crime is an afterlife of reward I doubt you would have much time for atheism. Because once thats gone thats when crime comes and reigns hence the MS13, the Bloods, the Crips, the Latin Kings. When faith is lost, it gives way to a breakdown of a system. This is established historically yes HISTORICALLY in the cases of Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, India, Nepal, and many other places. So tell me if it keeps people from committing acts of rape, homicide, and extortion can it be considered insane?
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:08 pm
Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 There are incredible amounts of evidence against religion... why do you deny the facts and go on blind faith? How about common sense for starters. confused The very concept of religion is based on an overblown fairy tale told to the bereived and eldery by humans years ago in hope to comfort them. Think about it, somone is alive, the next day, BOOM, gone. This would spawn the question in the distorted and primitive minds of the families "where did he go?", "will I ever see him again". Later on in time people would question the origins of the earth and the people and animals around them. They would have based the ideas of creation around other things that they had created, pots or houses for example. The universe must have been built. Through further speculation they must have settled on the idea that a big superhuman must have built everything, since humans were pretty much the only things that have the ability to build stuff. Therefore humans created god in their own image. What do you do to people that create you? You worship them, they worshipped this skylord as they did their ancestors. From that spawned elaborate stories and tales and people believing they were sons of gods and people blaming their sleeping around behind their parnters god on divine rape and such. This is merely speculation into how religion may have been formulated, but it is a perfectly reasonable origin. Much more reasonable than the theories put forward by those who believe in gods and miracles.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:10 pm
Well i do believe there waqs a jesus christ and he did speak about "god the father" and how we should follow him. but then again whos not to say thats all "rubbish?" I don't think there is a guy in the sky that controls me, but i do believe that it's a good religon to follow and trust. on the other hand people with no religon they don't really have any rules to follow. and they don't believe in anything, so they might ******** them selves up. but if you believe in a religon and you follow it you'll most likly be a better person. I do believe in religon
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:20 pm
yokomotoz Cornetto1 Tell me, how will there not be confrontation, isolation and conflict if you take three people, tell each of them that there is only one god, and only by that god will anyone get into heaven and all others are sinners. Each believes their god blindly. Then you put the three of them in an enclosed room together to replecate what would happen on a much larger scale. The very concept of a higher being revolves around an impossible neanderthol explenation to an equally impossible question. Morals were NOT established by religion, there have been many scientific studies into morality, certain species of animals closely related to humans show morals. Morality is not born from a fear of being judged in the afterlife, nor is it born from sucking upto a pixie in the clouds, morality is a naturally occuring and continuously evolving phenomenon. Many biblical morals are now very outdated and that causes a lot of conflict, mostly in the area of homosexuality and birth control. I believe there is a passage in the old testement that explicitly states that anyone who tries to steer you away from god should be stoned to death, that you should viciously murder him in any way possible. confused Religion IS blind faith, god IS blind faith. There is no proof nor evidence, therefore it is FAITH. Regardless of whom you follow, a preacher, a holy book or the product of your own overactive imagination and the unanswerable questions of life and death Quote: when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion
The three people have been misled for one thing. Let me make it abundantly clear to all who don't understand that the God that Jews follow, the God that Christians follow, and the God that Muslims follow is the same one. Religion is far from blind faith, it is one of the main balancing factors to what civilization is. Belief in an afterlife and to a God can be dated all the way back to the oldest laws in man. It is Hammurabi's law code that also establishes a set of rules and morality based on the judgment of the Gods. It is in our nature to be wondering if there is a God. If you would like proof take a look and read the Quran and the Torah for yourself it speaks of science YES SCIENCE THE VERY THING ATHEISTS SAY IS THE ONE PROOF. They cover the fetus formation, sperm deciding gender, mountain formation. All concepts only recently discovered within the last century and a half are discussed almost a millennium earlier . These barbaric principles as you call them are the very basis of human culture today, chemistry, birth control and contraception, free education to women are all encouraged in the Quran and Torah (SHOCKING!!). The only problem is human spite and misinterpretation. Without the aid of a belief in God we would be nomadic people still. Religion and belief in something is what brings an entire culture together and eventually builds civilizations. Also as said earlier much of the Bible is mistranslated, misconstrued, and many of its text destroyed or denied entrance into the text of the Bible. The Church only allowed such passages to make the people fear them and to have an excuse to make examples of people. That does not prove religions terrible qualities, it only further proves the evils of human greed and lust for power.
Faith, that is an interesting topic. When you are raised in a nice little barrio in Queensbridge, Compton, Vancouver, the Bronx and the only thing that you can look to so that you try to avoid crime is an afterlife of reward I doubt you would have much time for atheism. Because once thats gone thats when crime comes and reigns hence the MS13, the Bloods, the Crips, the Latin Kings. When faith is lost, it gives way to a breakdown of a system. This is established historically yes HISTORICALLY in the cases of Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, India, Nepal, and many other places. So tell me if it keeps people from committing acts of rape, homicide, and extortion can it be considered insane?I'm not interested in what any ancient texts say about science. There is a distinct difference between science and ancient text. Science is evolving, there are constant advancements and EVERYTHING is questioned. In religion there is a book written thousands of years ago which no one may change lest their immortal souls be ripped apart over and over for all eternity, people who don't believe, burn. Richard dawkins on yaweh, the god of the old testement Quote: arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Religion does not, never has and never will further ANYTHING. becuase religion is stationary, it does not change, there is a book and rules and that is it. Nothing else. No questions asked. The reason we don't commit acts of rape, homicide and extortion is not because of religion at all! As humans morals are engrained into our beings not through religion, but because we do not wish to create nor live in the kind of society in which those things happen! The same behaviour can be seem throughout the small scale societies of animals such as apes. Now I doubt that they believe in a god and actively worship it beyond question.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:37 pm
Cornetto1 yokomotoz Cornetto1 Tell me, how will there not be confrontation, isolation and conflict if you take three people, tell each of them that there is only one god, and only by that god will anyone get into heaven and all others are sinners. Each believes their god blindly. Then you put the three of them in an enclosed room together to replecate what would happen on a much larger scale. The very concept of a higher being revolves around an impossible neanderthol explenation to an equally impossible question. Morals were NOT established by religion, there have been many scientific studies into morality, certain species of animals closely related to humans show morals. Morality is not born from a fear of being judged in the afterlife, nor is it born from sucking upto a pixie in the clouds, morality is a naturally occuring and continuously evolving phenomenon. Many biblical morals are now very outdated and that causes a lot of conflict, mostly in the area of homosexuality and birth control. I believe there is a passage in the old testement that explicitly states that anyone who tries to steer you away from god should be stoned to death, that you should viciously murder him in any way possible. confused Religion IS blind faith, god IS blind faith. There is no proof nor evidence, therefore it is FAITH. Regardless of whom you follow, a preacher, a holy book or the product of your own overactive imagination and the unanswerable questions of life and death Quote: when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion
The three people have been misled for one thing. Let me make it abundantly clear to all who don't understand that the God that Jews follow, the God that Christians follow, and the God that Muslims follow is the same one. Religion is far from blind faith, it is one of the main balancing factors to what civilization is. Belief in an afterlife and to a God can be dated all the way back to the oldest laws in man. It is Hammurabi's law code that also establishes a set of rules and morality based on the judgment of the Gods. It is in our nature to be wondering if there is a God. If you would like proof take a look and read the Quran and the Torah for yourself it speaks of science YES SCIENCE THE VERY THING ATHEISTS SAY IS THE ONE PROOF. They cover the fetus formation, sperm deciding gender, mountain formation. All concepts only recently discovered within the last century and a half are discussed almost a millennium earlier . These barbaric principles as you call them are the very basis of human culture today, chemistry, birth control and contraception, free education to women are all encouraged in the Quran and Torah (SHOCKING!!). The only problem is human spite and misinterpretation. Without the aid of a belief in God we would be nomadic people still. Religion and belief in something is what brings an entire culture together and eventually builds civilizations. Also as said earlier much of the Bible is mistranslated, misconstrued, and many of its text destroyed or denied entrance into the text of the Bible. The Church only allowed such passages to make the people fear them and to have an excuse to make examples of people. That does not prove religions terrible qualities, it only further proves the evils of human greed and lust for power.
Faith, that is an interesting topic. When you are raised in a nice little barrio in Queensbridge, Compton, Vancouver, the Bronx and the only thing that you can look to so that you try to avoid crime is an afterlife of reward I doubt you would have much time for atheism. Because once thats gone thats when crime comes and reigns hence the MS13, the Bloods, the Crips, the Latin Kings. When faith is lost, it gives way to a breakdown of a system. This is established historically yes HISTORICALLY in the cases of Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, India, Nepal, and many other places. So tell me if it keeps people from committing acts of rape, homicide, and extortion can it be considered insane?I'm not interested in what any ancient texts say about science. There is a distinct difference between science and ancient text. Science is evolving, there are constant advancements and EVERYTHING is questioned. In religion there is a book written thousands of years ago which no one may change lest their immortal souls be ripped apart over and over for all eternity, people who don't believe, burn. Richard dawkins on yaweh, the god of the old testement Quote: arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Religion does not, never has and never will further ANYTHING. becuase religion is stationary, it does not change, there is a book and rules and that is it. Nothing else. No questions asked. The reason we don't commit acts of rape, homicide and extortion is not because of religion at all! As humans morals are engrained into our beings not through religion, but because we do not wish to create nor live in the kind of society in which those things happen! The same behaviour can be seem throughout the small scale societies of animals such as apes. Now I doubt that they believe in a god and actively worship it beyond question.
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