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DasUberGuy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:21 am


I am reasonably sure Star Wars will win.

(Note: This is just the main races, no aliens of the week or obscure superbeings allowed).
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:01 am


DasUberGuy
I am reasonably sure Star Wars will win.

(Note: This is just the main races, no aliens of the week or obscure superbeings allowed).


Well which races are you disallowing? Obviously if the Q were included then Star Trek wins. Are you thinking of including the Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, which other ones am I missing?

Akuki


DasUberGuy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:22 pm


I'll make it:

Federation
Klingons
Romulans
Cardassians
Dominion
Borg

vs.

Old Republic
Galactic Empire
Rebel Alliance
New Republic
Ssi - Ruuvi
Yuuzhan Vong
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:52 pm


DasUberGuy
I'll make it:

Federation
Klingons
Romulans
Cardassians
Dominion
Borg

vs.

Old Republic
Galactic Empire
Rebel Alliance
New Republic
Ssi - Ruuvi
Yuuzhan Vong


Are the Jedi included in this fight? While they might not be able to make much of a dent in individual casualties their foresight could be a major advantage in battle planning.

Akuki


Aona

PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:18 pm


I don't know much about Star Trek, but of the races mentioned, which ones, if any, posess ships that can match a Star Destroyer?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:40 pm


Akuki
DasUberGuy
I'll make it:

Federation
Klingons
Romulans
Cardassians
Dominion
Borg

vs.

Old Republic
Galactic Empire
Rebel Alliance
New Republic
Ssi - Ruuvi
Yuuzhan Vong


Are the Jedi included in this fight? While they might not be able to make much of a dent in individual casualties their foresight could be a major advantage in battle planning.


Yes, all the SW factions will get full use of any Force users they employ.

DasUberGuy
Captain


DasUberGuy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:41 pm


Aona
I don't know much about Star Trek, but of the races mentioned, which ones, if any, posess ships that can match a Star Destroyer?


Depends what you mean by 'match'.

Some of the Borg and Dominion ships are bigger, but the ISD has more firepower.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:41 pm


Obviously no contest. SW will win.

Besides, even if Q were to be thrown in, the Federation can't count on him for anything; he'd just as well help the Republic instead.

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Akuki

PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:51 pm


Red October Archangel
Obviously no contest. SW will win.

Besides, even if Q were to be thrown in, the Federation can't count on him for anything; he'd just as well help the Republic instead.


Not necessarily, if you are talking about species fights, then as a species the Q just kill off everyone easily.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:02 pm


Spock will reason with everyone using his flawed logic, Captain Kirk will hook up with every girl he meets leaving the SW crew seriously low on morale, thus losing the war.

Now for a serious argument. SW wins. Clone troopers, Jedi, frikkin Death Star, and a level or clairvoyance to know where to hit? It's a no-brainer.

Mighty Grifo


Akuki

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:36 am


Ok I have been doing some research, and I have to say that I need to change my analysis to say that star Trek wins this one. Why do you ask? It's pretty simple, I've been reading up on all the species that have had major impacts on the storyline of the Star Trek Series, which are not included in this battle. By major impact I mean by a story arch or appearing in at least 10 episodes. Fist of all there is the Q who exist as a species and appear often in the series, and could easily wipe out the entire Star Wars universe single handed. Secondly in Star Trek, time travel is often used, as exhibited in the Temporal Cold War arc, in which several species exhbit time traveling ability and even go back in time to prevent species from forming. If these sort of attacks are allowed then Star wars has absolutely no chance.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:09 pm


The Q are extremely fickle beings; they're just as likely to wipe out the Federation along with the Empire.

There are all sorts of problems regarding time travel that I'll just sum it up with these three words: causality and isolation.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:35 pm


I thought we weren't counting The Q.

Besides that, Star Trek has transporter technology.

They could take a Warp Drive with a breach in it and transport it into the Death Star and watch the fireworks.

The Borg alone can ace any Clone Army. I am curious how their adaptive technology would react to a light saber.

Ooh! Could they clone the tech? Anyway...

We've all seen the Star Wars movies and (most of us) have seen the best Star Trek episodes.

Star Trek has better strategists. Picard, Riker, Data, and pretty much the better part Vulcan.

Go Trekkies.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:57 am


The Q are indeed inconsequential for the purposes of this debate.

Compared to SW hyperdrives, ST warp drives are extremely sluggish. It takes Voyager years to travel across a single quadrant of the galaxy, yet the average Imperial-class Star Destroyer can make the same trip in mere hours.

Transporters can be disrupted by all sorts of phenomena, such as ECM, deflector shields, and ambient radiation. You can't beam a bunch of Federation commandos onto a Star Destroyer or Death Star; sensory jammers would prevent Federation transporter operators from finding safe destinations for their people to beam in, ambient radiation would throw off sensor readings and further stymie their efforts, and shields would simply block them altogether.

The Borg can adapt, but only to a certain extent; a cube can withstand an assault from a single Fed ship, but not from dozens of them. Heck, even simple space debris can smash a cube to smithereens; we've also seen Species 8472 deal with the Borg in their own special way. The drones themselves aren't anything special; sure, they can shrug off phaser shots, but they can't stand up to bat'leths and Thompson SMGs. A gang of Gamorreans with vibro-axes could slice through a squad of drones with ease; a few Royal Guards with force pikes and thermal detonators can just as easily make short work of an entire battalion of drones.

The Vulcans couldn't hold up a candle to the entire Yuuzhan Vong race, even if they tried; considering that the Vong have been at war for millenia, they've had lots of time to perfect their strategies and tactics. The Chiss and Mon Calamari also deserve some credit; they did produce some of SW's greatest tactical and strategic geniuses, after all.

Captain Picard, I served with Thrawn. I knew Thrawn. Thrawn was a friend of mine. Jean-Luc Picard, you are no Mitth'raw'nuruodo. Speaking of which, Riker's no Admiral Ackbar either.

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Akuki

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:29 am


I have to say the main species included in this batle have shown time travelling ability. Time travel>force powers+death star. Also there wouldn't be the same trouble with paradoxs in this case as there is absolutely no historical crossover between the two universes.
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