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 Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:39 pm
I don't know if any other guys feel as I do on this, but there is almost a complete lack of information, coverage, and support on men's spirtuality out there.
There is a lot of talk about the varrious roles that women play in Pagan faiths, religions, and philosophical thought. However, the topic of men's spirtuality seems almost ignored and largely unexplored.
Or maybe I'm just missing the information that is already out there.
Anyone have anything for me here?
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:01 pm
Depends on what you call "men's spirituality".
See, if you're looking for pop-fluff, yeah, you're right. I know a lot of women personally who have turned to it because they really were just sick of male based religion (read: Christendom).
Beyond that, a number of religious pagan traditions have a lot to offer men. Mostly in the Recon Paths, but a number of Pop-Pagan authors have written books for men in the last ten years.
So, are you looking for recon or neo-paganism?
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:50 pm
TeaDidikai Depends on what you call "men's spirituality". See, if you're looking for pop-fluff, yeah, you're right. I know a lot of women personally who have turned to it because they really were just sick of male based religion (read: Christendom). Beyond that, a number of religious pagan traditions have a lot to offer men. Mostly in the Recon Paths, but a number of Pop-Pagan authors have written books for men in the last ten years. So, are you looking for recon or neo-paganism? Recon? I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm going to hope that is a short hand form of a term I already know. I feel so out of place lately; I swear to gravy I used to know what the hell I was talking about. crying All I know is I'm looking for an insightful read. smile
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:52 am
A quick search and jumping on amazon gets me these" Wicca for MenThe Pagan ManThose are two I found right away (I also found some interesting books on Neopagan and Goddess prayer, but that is neither here nor there) What do you see as Men's Mysteries? Are you thinking things like Mithraism, parts of Dionysia, what?
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:47 pm
Nuri A quick search and jumping on amazon gets me these" Wicca for MenThe Pagan ManThose are two I found right away (I also found some interesting books on Neopagan and Goddess prayer, but that is neither here nor there) What do you see as Men's Mysteries? Are you thinking things like Mithraism, parts of Dionysia, what? My lack of knowledge is shameful. I must admit that I had to google and wiki both of those terms, for they were completely unfamiliar to me. crying crying crying I actually wasn't speaking of "Mysteries" at all; I was really just speaking of something either geared for the masculine gender; granted, I've read mostly fluffy crap... Still, it's kind of off putting when a lot of the books seem to want to talk about the GODDESS and the God. I mean, aren't they supposed to, I dunno, be equals? I haven't really thought about "Men's Mysteries". While I've considered myself Pagan for damn near a decade (and suddenly I feel quite old), I haven't done a lot of formal study; most of what I do is tinkering with theology and philosophy inside my head.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:18 pm
Kuroiban Nuri A quick search and jumping on amazon gets me these" Wicca for MenThe Pagan ManThose are two I found right away (I also found some interesting books on Neopagan and Goddess prayer, but that is neither here nor there) What do you see as Men's Mysteries? Are you thinking things like Mithraism, parts of Dionysia, what? My lack of knowledge is shameful. I must admit that I had to google and wiki both of those terms, for they were completely unfamiliar to me. crying crying crying I actually wasn't speaking of "Mysteries" at all; I was really just speaking of something either geared for the masculine gender; granted, I've read mostly fluffy crap... Still, it's kind of off putting when a lot of the books seem to want to talk about the GODDESS and the God. I mean, aren't they supposed to, I dunno, be equals? I haven't really thought about "Men's Mysteries". While I've considered myself Pagan for damn near a decade (and suddenly I feel quite old), I haven't done a lot of formal study; most of what I do is tinkering with theology and philosophy inside my head. Damn.. you were reading the good new age books. Most of them that I've read were about the *thunderstoke storm earthquake* GODDESS*thuderstroke storm earthquake* and the *lets have sex now* God *more sex would be good*.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:56 pm
reagun ban Kuroiban Nuri A quick search and jumping on amazon gets me these" Wicca for MenThe Pagan ManThose are two I found right away (I also found some interesting books on Neopagan and Goddess prayer, but that is neither here nor there) What do you see as Men's Mysteries? Are you thinking things like Mithraism, parts of Dionysia, what? My lack of knowledge is shameful. I must admit that I had to google and wiki both of those terms, for they were completely unfamiliar to me. crying crying crying I actually wasn't speaking of "Mysteries" at all; I was really just speaking of something either geared for the masculine gender; granted, I've read mostly fluffy crap... Still, it's kind of off putting when a lot of the books seem to want to talk about the GODDESS and the God. I mean, aren't they supposed to, I dunno, be equals? I haven't really thought about "Men's Mysteries". While I've considered myself Pagan for damn near a decade (and suddenly I feel quite old), I haven't done a lot of formal study; most of what I do is tinkering with theology and philosophy inside my head. Damn.. you were reading the good new age books. Most of them that I've read were about the *thunderstoke storm earthquake* GODDESS*thuderstroke storm earthquake* and the *lets have sex now* God *more sex would be good*. Heh...I tend to avoid the "Have tantric revenge sex with your ex-lover, then turn them into a frog while manifesting a dragon" books.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:07 pm
Darnit. Nuri beat me to the couple titles off the top of my head.
Did you ever figure out which direction you're leaning?
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:25 am
Kuroiban reagun ban Kuroiban Nuri A quick search and jumping on amazon gets me these" Wicca for MenThe Pagan ManThose are two I found right away (I also found some interesting books on Neopagan and Goddess prayer, but that is neither here nor there) What do you see as Men's Mysteries? Are you thinking things like Mithraism, parts of Dionysia, what? My lack of knowledge is shameful. I must admit that I had to google and wiki both of those terms, for they were completely unfamiliar to me. crying crying crying I actually wasn't speaking of "Mysteries" at all; I was really just speaking of something either geared for the masculine gender; granted, I've read mostly fluffy crap... Still, it's kind of off putting when a lot of the books seem to want to talk about the GODDESS and the God. I mean, aren't they supposed to, I dunno, be equals? I haven't really thought about "Men's Mysteries". While I've considered myself Pagan for damn near a decade (and suddenly I feel quite old), I haven't done a lot of formal study; most of what I do is tinkering with theology and philosophy inside my head. Damn.. you were reading the good new age books. Most of them that I've read were about the *thunderstoke storm earthquake* GODDESS*thuderstroke storm earthquake* and the *lets have sex now* God *more sex would be good*. Heh...I tend to avoid the "Have tantric revenge sex with your ex-lover, then turn them into a frog while manifesting a dragon" books. *shiver* sounds like a D.J. Conway book...actually, not to far from Dancing with Dragons.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:21 pm
TeaDidikai Darnit. Nuri beat me to the couple titles off the top of my head. Did you ever figure out which direction you're leaning? Had to wiki "Recon" as well... sweatdrop I swear, by all that is sacred and holy, that I once knew what the "ef" I was talking about. stressed I'm profoundly a fense sitter here. In another thread, I talked about how I like Bushido as a wonderful model for ethics and honor, but I feel the whole ritualistic suicide thing might be a wee bit uneeded in today's day and age. Similarly, I believe things should be kept authentic, but allow the modern world to play it's part in the way things work; nothing should be absolutely static.
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:07 am
Kuroiban ...I feel the whole ritualistic suicide thing might be a wee bit uneeded in today's day and age. I couldn't disagree more. Kuroiban Similarly, I believe things should be kept authentic, but allow the modern world to play it's part in the way things work; nothing should be absolutely static. You're gaijin aren't you.
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:20 pm
Kuroiban Similarly, I believe things should be kept authentic, but allow the modern world to play it's part in the way things work; nothing should be absolutely static. You're gaijin aren't you. Yes. Haven't claimed otherwise.
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:41 pm
reagun ban I couldn't disagree more. Inclined to agree within a cultural framework.
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:34 am
Kuroiban Yes. Haven't claimed otherwise. True, however, I find it a tad innappropriate for gaijin to comment on Japanese cultural groups in exactly the same way it irritates the hell out of me when non-Celts do it with the Celts.
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:31 pm
reagun ban Kuroiban Yes. Haven't claimed otherwise. True, however, I find it a tad innappropriate for gaijin to comment on Japanese cultural groups in exactly the same way it irritates the hell out of me when non-Celts do it with the Celts. In that case, why do we have sociologists and anthropologists?
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