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 Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:58 pm
I honestly don't think that Satanism should be considered a Pagan religion and here are my thoughts on it. 1) Paganism is any polytheistic or non Abrahamic religion 2) Satanism came from Christianity, therefore wouldn't it be considered an Abrahamic religion? And in a category of religion of its own?
I would like to know what your feelings, views, and opinions are about this.
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:14 am
I don't think Satanism should be concidered paganism. Satanism, in my mind, should be in its own little category somewhere in the christianity tree because it does recognize Christ, as well as the Satan, who come from Christianity, even though the roles are reversed for Satan and Christ.
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IsysChrystalineRavensBane
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:47 pm
I think that Satanism is paganism regardless of whether it's self-worship Satanism or devil-worship Satanism. Neither worships the Abrahamic god. All of this sort of depends on the definition of paganism though.
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:51 pm
From what I do remember reading, most, if not all, pagans do not believe in Satan or a satanic figure, therefore I do not think Satanism would fall under paganism. Just about any religion that isn't an Abrahamistic religion tends not to have an evil figure, yes they have evil, but those who rule the underworld were known to be there to keep the balance, they didn't try to lead you astray or anything like that of what the devil does. In Egyptian religion, everyone went to the same place, but once your heart was weighed, it would depend if it was eaten by a creature or if your spirit would live on. In Greek, everyone went to the underworld and was watched over by Hades and Persephone. So really, Satanism is a religion of its own if its broken down and looked at compared to all of the other religions in the Paganism category.
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:18 pm
A lot of modern satanists worship "the self," rather than any real entity known as Satan....and the concept of Satan as God's evil counterpart is kind of a modern one. I wouldn't want to class them both together like that.
I guess certain places put them in with Paganism because they aren't as widely practiced as "mainstream" religions?
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:37 pm
I think this whole thing depends on what definition of pagan we're using.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:18 pm
Obscurus I think this whole thing depends on what definition of pagan we're using. I can't think of any definitions of pagan that would allow for it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:16 pm
I guess it could be included if you were just grouping a lot of so-called "alternative religions," or anything non-mainstream.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:06 pm
Kyra Valdire Obscurus I think this whole thing depends on what definition of pagan we're using. I can't think of any definitions of pagan that would allow for it. If the definition is any religion that does not worship the Abrahamic god then Satanism of either variety would seemingly fit.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:09 pm
Obscurus Kyra Valdire Obscurus I think this whole thing depends on what definition of pagan we're using. I can't think of any definitions of pagan that would allow for it. If the definition is any religion that does not worship the Abrahamic god then Satanism of either variety would seemingly fit. I've never heard it defined with that wording. It just sounds to me like somebody messed it up somewhere along the line and repeated it to you.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:16 pm
Kyra Valdire Obscurus Kyra Valdire Obscurus I think this whole thing depends on what definition of pagan we're using. I can't think of any definitions of pagan that would allow for it. If the definition is any religion that does not worship the Abrahamic god then Satanism of either variety would seemingly fit. I've never heard it defined with that wording. It just sounds to me like somebody messed it up somewhere along the line and repeated it to you. That's the one you're going to see the most of on Gaia. I don't know what authority it comes from but it's the most common. This definition doesn't really conform to that though: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paganIt relies on the definition of "heathens": http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heathensAgain, it seems to depend on what definition you're using or what point you're trying to make.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:18 pm
Obscurus Kyra Valdire Obscurus Kyra Valdire Obscurus I think this whole thing depends on what definition of pagan we're using. I can't think of any definitions of pagan that would allow for it. If the definition is any religion that does not worship the Abrahamic god then Satanism of either variety would seemingly fit. I've never heard it defined with that wording. It just sounds to me like somebody messed it up somewhere along the line and repeated it to you. That's the one you're going to see the most of on Gaia. I don't know what authority it comes from but it's the most common. This definition doesn't really conform to that though: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paganIt relies on the definition of "heathens": http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heathensAgain, it seems to depend on what definition you're using or what point you're trying to make. I guess we could sit here quoting different references back and forth, over a point that doesn't really matter. In the end, it's your faith and you decide what to call yourself. I usually call myself Celtic Protestant or Nordic Pagan, even though there are a bunch of different names I could have stuck with.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:30 pm
Kyra Valdire Obscurus Kyra Valdire Obscurus Kyra Valdire Obscurus I think this whole thing depends on what definition of pagan we're using. I can't think of any definitions of pagan that would allow for it. If the definition is any religion that does not worship the Abrahamic god then Satanism of either variety would seemingly fit. I've never heard it defined with that wording. It just sounds to me like somebody messed it up somewhere along the line and repeated it to you. That's the one you're going to see the most of on Gaia. I don't know what authority it comes from but it's the most common. This definition doesn't really conform to that though: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paganIt relies on the definition of "heathens": http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heathensAgain, it seems to depend on what definition you're using or what point you're trying to make. I guess we could sit here quoting different references back and forth, over a point that doesn't really matter. In the end, it's your faith and you decide what to call yourself. I usually call myself Celtic Protestant or Nordic Pagan, even though there are a bunch of different names I could have stuck with. Agreed. Eventually it just comes down to what "pagan" means to the individual. If we get hung up on labels we end up missing the point sometimes.
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:54 am
To be honest i agree with the notion that that Satanisim should not be considered a pagan religon. i guess many people would believe the latter because of the rituals and the fact that instead of god or jesus, its Satan (Lucifer i guess) is being worshiped.
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Questionable Shapeshifter
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:33 pm
Remember, these words are all just labels we came uo with ourselves and hold no mystical cosmic meaning. So, when you say "the Pagan Gods" does Satan come to mind? No, Thor yes, Isis yes, the Muses yes, Satan no, he's a Christian entity.
Defining a word by what it isn't does not work well, ie Paganism isn't Christianity or Islam. That doesn't make Satanism Pagan just b/c no one thought to mention it when they were listing the things Paganism isn't. Paganism IS the worship of the Pagan (pre-Christian) Gods. Satanism didn't come along until way post Christianity, so nope, it ain't Pagan.
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