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Mine are:

That homosexuality is a sin.

Original Sin exists because of the sin of Adam and Chava.

The talking animal in Gan Eden is Satan.

Ha-Satan is evil.

Hell exists in terms of a fiery furnace sorta like deal.

Sinners are going to Hell.

Yours?

Good ones!

Now that one I like rofl

The original sin concept would have to be mine...

Original Sin was a concept that was formulated to explain the concept that Mary was born sinless so she could carry the Christ- this was a teaching of St. Augustine's and taken as doctrine by the West.

Sacred Scripture defines that those who know Him and reject Him are doomed to suffer in the afterlife. Nowhere does Sacred Scripture relay those who are not able to know of Him being doomed to eternal hellfire.

Some people hold to the traditions found within Judaism that the adversary spoken of in the Tanak'h is an Angel who judges your life before the throne of God in Heaven. This adversary who later became the Devil of the Gospels and Christianity was not necessarily opposed to God but not liked by Mankind due to his position as one who would expose our sins before God.

Lucifer is the Morning Star we see just below the Sun in the sky early in the morning. The Star wasknown as a symbol of Venus, Aphrodite in Greek who was a very sexual creature who was worshiped in orgiastic manners not accepted by the Early Christians and was therefore commonly associated with the Adversary. So common was the disgust Lucifer became a name commonly used for HaSatan, aka Satan. The Latin texts often will use Lucifer as the name of Satan.

The acceptance of a Second COming is clear, as He has not come yet, but most of the predictions of the "End Times" were fulfilled during the reigns of the Roman Imperial Eras post-Christ. Due to the language used by St. John which is still indiscernible to many of us who are not educated it was common language to the Early hidden Christians who underwent persecution. Much of what was prophetic and very imaginary was representative of Nero, up to Maximus Daia. Many accept that the foundation of Christ's reign comes when the Church was established by Constantine I and the throes of the Apocalypse were before then. But the question remains: Did Christ come for a Book or His Church? According to the Apocalypse He came for His People and his Church.

No fun poking at you. I think you made some valid points which needed to be clarified. Good questions!

But this was taken from Bereshite and Chava's 'sin' of temptation. What happened when the fruit from the knowledge tree was eaten was all in Hashem's plan. There's no reason to come to the conclusion that we need "saving" from this. The story of Balaam and this episode have the only two talking animals, thus, the snake is most likely Hashem himself, as He is the donkey in Numbers.



No. Please find me these passages in proper context and translation. Scratch that, give me the Hebrew and Greek and then prove to me that Hell is a place where those who reject Him go. If you can prove that there is an afterlife, based on the Tanakh, I will give you kudos. However, this is not quite possible.



Er, we do? Ha-Satan translates into "The Adversary" nothing more, nothing less, and thus he is the adversary of Job. Satan cannot do a damn thing without G-d's permission. He is powerless.



Uh, is this a Hesiodic or Homeric Aphrodite? Let's not forget that Venus and Aphrodite are not exactly interchangeable.

Lucifer was a Babylonian King. Considering Lucifer ACTUALLY translates into "Phosphorus", I'm not sure why so many people hold onto the belief that it means morning star. Light bringer is a bit different than "morning star", no? Actually, it really is. The bringer of light can mean a hell of a lot of things. Lucifer holds its roots in Heylal.



And yet none of the prophecies were fulfilled during the first coming.


I can read ancient Greek, Latin, and fuddle my way through Hebrew. Which language did John use?



Early Christian persecution is a myth. Okay, so Seutonius mentions them, so does Tacitus. Nero was kind of a b***h, but here's the deal... Early Xians LOVED to martyr themselves. Trajan himself told Pliny to MAKE SURE that the Christian answered THREE times that they are Christian. If they said they weren't, they would not be executed. Perpetua, anyone? Jews have had it much much much worse.



Okay. I'm not a Christian.



I had no question other than wondering what everyone's favourite misinterpretations are.

I am speaking from a Greek Orthodox Perspective. The sin of being cast from Gan'Eden(if you want me to act elite and use the Hebraic) by refusing to admit their sin is why death was introdued. Te purpose of the coming of HaMoshiach was for us to bridge the gap of death to eternal life. Even Radak accepted that the coming of Moshiach was for conquering death from the tree in Gan'Eden.



ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ

ουτως γαρ ηγαπησεν ο θεος τον κοσμον ωστε τον υιον αυτου τον μονογενη εδωκεν ινα πας ο πιστευων εις αυτον μη αποληται αλλ εχη ζωην αιωνιον ου γαρ απεστειλεν ο θεος τον υιον αυτου εις τον κοσμον ινα κρινη τον κοσμον αλλ ινα σωθη ο κοσμος δι αυτου ο πιστευων εις αυτον ου κρινεται ο δε μη πιστευων ηδη κεκριται οτι μη πεπιστευκεν εις το ονομα του μονογενους υιου του θεου αυτη δε εστιν η κρισις οτι το φως εληλυθεν εις τον κοσμον και ηγαπησαν οι ανθρωποι μαλλον το σκοτος η το φως ην γαρ πονηρα αυτων τα εργα πας γαρ ο φαυλα πρασσων μισει το φως και ουκ ερχεται προς το φως ινα μη ελεγχθη τα εργα αυτου ο δε ποιων την αληθειαν ερχεται προς το φως ινα φανερωθη αυτου τα εργα οτι εν θεω εστιν ειργασμενα

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ

και ος εαν μη δεξηται υμας μηδε ακουση τους λογους υμων εξερχομενοι της οικιας η της πολεως εκεινης εκτιναξατε τον κονιορτον των ποδων υμων αμην λεγω υμιν ανεκτοτερον εσται γη σοδομων και γομορρων εν ημερα κρισεως η τη πολει εκεινη


כִּי־אֵשׁ֙ קָדְחָ֣ה בְאַפִּ֔י וַתִּיקַ֖ד עַד־שְׁאֹ֣ול תַּחְתִּ֑ית וַתֹּ֤אכַל אֶ֙רֶץ֙ וִֽיבֻלָ֔הּ וַתְּלַהֵ֖ט מֹוסְדֵ֥י הָרִֽים׃




So I cannot speak from Halacha taught to me by my family, the Rabbis in my family and the Maggid I knew for years I grew up listening to? Wow. What traditions did you learn when you were growing up?




Aphrodite in Hellenic Cultures revered Venus as the same in many instances.

The Luciferian teachings regard this teaching as fact as well as many Roman Catholic Priests I am associated with today, as well as Rabbis I discuss issues with for most of my lifetime. The funny thing is I learned this information out of my Shul, so I dont know why you are arguing with me on this.

Are you Jewish or do you just like to argue and feel elite by posting Hebraic words to feel good?



I leave this up to your own conclusion and wil not debate this with you, most of my family and some of my friends. Lets leave that alone, shall we?




koine Greek, and his writing style was vague, not his writing itself.

Can I brag too?
I use a Sepuagint as my Study Bible and an old Torah Scroll on my family Bimah when I have questions.
I read Hebrew but am lax, I admit because I don't use it often enough in WI to speak it. I know Greek, modern and koine for my Chuirch.

I am a convert from Pentecostal Christianity to my father's family who is Sephardi, to Greek Orthodoxy. I was geared to be a Pastor, then Rabbi for six years of schooling and I received a Rabbinical license from UJ in SoCA and to top it off a received a Bachelors in Biblical languages at LIFE Bible college. All these degrees are useless as I am in the Eastern Church. I have had to unlearn alot, and thankfully so.



And you forgot to mention Eusebius of Cappadocia who documented much of the persecution works he collected that were sadly destroyed by the Ottomans in 1452.



And thats fine. No need to preach here,, just learna bit. I hope to be able to be in good dialogue with you and learn from each other different things. Life is an open tablet when we keep dialogue with each other.



I was not answering you but the post above my original one.
Please take no offense if you do. I am simply giving someone some answers you apparently felt necessary to revoke and make your own. So you learned somethings differing from my training. I suggest we should maintain a proper open discussion in the future if you see something differing from mine and your backgrounds. This way we could teach each other instead of having everything turn into a debate.