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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:29 am
Ok, so what about the druids?
Here's some information if you want to have a look at it... The Mystica - Druidism Wikipedia - Druid
Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia page.Wikipedia - Druid A druid was a member of the priestly and learned class in the ancient Celtic societies of Western Europe, Britain and Ireland. They were suppressed by the Roman government and disappeared from the written record by the second century AD. Druids combined the duties of priest, judge, scholar, and teacher.[1] Little contemporary evidence for them exists, and thus little can be said of them with assurance, but they continued to feature prominently in later Irish myth, literature and law.[2] The earliest record of the name druidae (Δρυΐδαι) is reported from a lost work of the Greek doxographer Sotion of Alexandria (early second century BC), who was cited by Diogenes Laertius in the third century AD.[3] The Celtic communities that Druids served were polytheistic. They also show signs of animism, in their reverence for various aspects of the natural world, such as the land, sea and sky,[4] and their veneration of other aspects of nature, such as sacred trees and groves (the oak and hazel were particularly revered), tops of hills, streams, lakes and plants such as the mistletoe.[5] Fire was regarded as a symbol of several divinities and was associated with cleansing. Purported ritual killing and human sacrifice were aspects of druidic culture that shocked classical writers.[6] Modern attempts at reconstructing, reinventing or reimagining the practices of the druids are called Neo-druidism. I think that pretty much sums up what I was going to say about them anyway. Now for the discussion to begin.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:48 pm
I gotta tell ya, I've only seen druids in "Magic The Gathering" and most of them aren't very powerful. If there are powerful druids out there, I still haven't seen them.
I never thought of a druid as a scholar, you know? I do wonder if a druid can become a Bishop or viceversa though... neutral
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:17 am
Well it does say the legends come from Western Europe, Britain and Ireland, Hypno. It's not US, Mexican or Guatemalan history, so if you've never looked into it extensively then you won't have much of a clue will you? XD!
In the TV adaptations of the legend of King Arthur, Merlin is said to be from a druidic people. However, the different concepts of his character stem from different sources, in which Wikipedia has a few things to say about him - Merlin.
Here's more from the Wikipedia page specifically on druids.Wikipedia EtymologyThe English word druid derives from Latin druides (pronounced [druˈides]), which is the same as the term used by Greek ethnographers, δρυίδης (druidēs).[7] The Latin and Greek terms are loans from a Proto-Celtic stem *druwid-, which combines the Proto-Indo-European roots *deru- and *weid-. The word was etymologized (as per Aristides) as containing δρύς "oak tree"), and the Greek suffix -ιδης. *deru- is indeed the Indo-European "oak" word (cognate to English tree), but the root has a wider array of meanings related to "to be firm, solid, steadfast" (whence e.g. English true),[8] and it isn't clear whether the term was originally derived from a meaning involving "oak", or the wider meaning of "true, solid". *weid- is the Indo-European root for "to see"[9] and, by extension and figurative use, also referred to knowledge, as in English wit, wisdom, Latin vision or Sanskrit veda. The Old Celtic (Gaulish) term from which the Greek and Latin druides was derived has survived in its Insular Celtic form, in Old Irish druídecht (pronounced [ˈ'driː.ðʲext]/), which yields Modern Irish draoiocht (pronounced [ˈ'driː.oxt]/), "magic." The Welsh dryw (/drɨu/), "seer", may be cognate. The Modern Irish for druid is drúa (/'druːə/),[citation needed] from Old Irish druí (/druiː/); which also produced Irish draoi (/'driː/), "magician" and Modern Gaelic druidh (/drij/), meaning "enchanter" and draoidh (/drɯːj/), "magician." HistoryThe scholar Ronald Hutton points out "we can know virtually nothing of certainty about the ancient Druids, so that—although they certainly existed—they function more or less as legendary figures."[2] There is no historic evidence during the period when Druidism was flourishing to suggest that Druids were other than male. Ronald Hutton points out that all the early Classical authors say they were male.[10] Phillip Freeman, a classics professor, discusses a later reference to Dryades, which he translates as Druidesses, writing that "The fourth century A.D. collection of imperial biographies known as the Historia Augusta contains three short passages involving Gaulish women called "Dryades" ("Druidesses")." He points out that "In all of these, the women may not be direct heirs of the Druids who were supposedly extinguished by the Romans—but in any case they do show that the druidic function of prophesy continued among the natives in Roman Gaul."[11] Additionally, Druidesses are mentioned in later Irish mythology, including the legend of Fionn mac Cumhaill, who, according to the 12th century The Boyhood Deeds of Fionn, is raised by the druidess Bodhmall and a wise-woman.[12][13] Greek and Roman writers on the Celts commonly made at least passing reference to Druids, though before Caesar's report merely as "barbarian philosophers";[14] They were not concerned with ethnology or comparative religion[15] and consequently our historical knowledge of druids is very limited. Druidic lore consisted of a large number of verses learned by heart, and Caesar remarked that it could take up to twenty years to complete the course of study. What was taught to Druid novices anywhere is conjecture: of the druids' oral literature, not one certifiably ancient verse is known to have survived, even in translation. Surviving folklore of the medieval and modern Celtic nations embodies some "druidic" themes and practices; however there is no way to trace the origins of these practices or customs conclusively to the druids. In Magic: The Gathering druids might not be particularly strong, but I can tell you that in folklore and in fantasy stories, they're usually not to be taken lightly.
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:38 pm
Indeed I haven't Mel. mrgreen he-he
I haven't seen many movies about Merlin but the ones I have seen, don't seem to mention much about his origins and/or his people. The Disney movie about "The Sword in the Stone" for example, doesn't say anything about it (If I recall correctly). Neither do the made for TV movies with Sam Neil and Martin Short (simply know as "Merlin"). I think I've seen a couple others but I can't remember much about them anyways...
I wonder though, was the term "weird" started by a druid who was awfully odd and people started to use the word Weird to refer to him? He-he xp
To be fair, I haven't seen many druids in that card game I mentioned so, maybe there are quite a few that are powerful and I just haven't seen them yet.
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:51 am
Where's the basis for that, Hypno? Actual etymology for the word suggests this.....
Can we be serious about the subject though please? Like I said, druidic legends/myths are Western European and most of them are Celtic.
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:00 pm
I don't know, it's something that occurred to me from reading yer previous post. sweatdrop
Sorry for not taking things seriously sometimes, I'm just silly, I don't mean anything by it...
I suppose that's the major reason why we don't know much about the druidic legends here in my country. We're just not used to them and we just don't have any of our own.
Wouldn't it be great though if we did have some druidic legend that the world has never heard about because it just wasn't popular enough? Like what if a druid from Western Europe had come here (to America) at some point in history and settled here? Maybe he wasn't famous and we simply never knew about it cuz he never made a fuss. After all, druids are not known for being very heroic, are they?
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:07 am
They're known for being reclusive and some have been portrayed as hermits living alone deep in a forest, though the name of druid hasn't been given to them. It's a very similar concept though.
There are always things to be discovered, Hypno. I'm not sure about druids exactly, but the term is also likened to that of shaman. The Native Americans had/have shamans, who are similar if not the same as druids but under a different name and culture.
In-fact, there are several terms for the same type of profession that is either the same or similar to shamanism and druidism. It really depends on where you're from and what kind of cultures exist there.
As you live in Guatemala, you must know something about the Mayans/Inca, the Yucatan and Machu Picchu etc? We need to delve into different civilisations really and look into their ways of life. They were much more into the supernatural side of things. I may be digressing a bit, but you always get different types of people within a culture, including those similar to that of the druids. In any case, I'm conjuring an idea for another thread/subforum.
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:03 pm
Of course! So maybe there was one who came here but he kept to himself and nobody really knew anything. I do know about the shamans, yes. Heck, there's even a show called Shaman king and I actually started watching it. Not that it was the best show I've seen but at least it was entertaining. mrgreen
I do know quite a bit about the Mayans. After all, I studied them! I barely know about the Incans cuz of Machu Pichu but that's about it. I know that Mayans were a great civilization that pretty much vanished without a trace and that they had an amazingly exact calendar. I'm not sure if they had any kind of druid type people but they liked to work with certain materials like... Jade, for example.
It must be exciting to work on a dig site on places where you suspect you can find all sorts of things from the past, right? I wonder what sort of place the druids would choose to settle in sometimes. Hermits as they were, they wouldn't stay on a place for too long, huh?
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:06 pm
From what I remember about Druids, they are a little different from Shamans. Shamans usually dealt with spirits, whether dead or elemental, and they used chants, herbs, and blood. Shamans also usually have totem spirits and are a bit more primitive than druids. In contrast, druids are usually educated, if not in a normal written language, than in runes and oral history, and druids are more about nature and the skies and the natural beings and energies that make up the essence of magic. Furthermore, usually with druids, they are in an order or at least have a conclave or web of connections, while shamans are pretty much solo, except for their apprentices. A similarity is that shamans and druids both serve as spiritual leaders of their people and the magical protectors, but shamans meddle a bit more in politics if the tribes, while druids watch and advise.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:42 am
I agree. You seem to know your stuff Hawk. smile
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:52 pm
Yes, that was some great input Hawkie! Keep it up!
I do hope to see you in more threads than just this one but I bet yer really busy these days, huh?
I must say, I wasn't exactly aware of the differences between Shamans and Druids so her post was especially good for me.
Question: Can a Dark Elf be more like a Shaman or more like a Druid? neutral
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:35 am
hypnocrown Question: Can a Dark Elf be more like a Shaman or more like a Druid? neutral Depends entirely on where he/she was raised... D&D dark elves come from civilised societies with formal religion, so in their case it would be a matter of personal preferance.
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:38 pm
Well I was asking cuz I wanted to know if there was a good way to make this avatar of mine into either a Druid or a Shaman. Since I am not very familiar with their fashion sense, I have no idea how to do it. confused
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:03 pm
One thing I've noticed about druids-especially in comparison to shamans- is that they do not seem to worship any particular god. Now I may be wrong in saying this but from what I know, druids tend to be mainly non-religious whereas shamans are very religious, relying on their god(or gods) to give them the power to perform their tasks.
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 4:59 pm
Hmm, that sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing Drizzt! I myself am not exactly very religious but, I don't know if the kind of items I have would suit a Druid better than a shaman. I suppose I should research more into the matter but I wouldn't know where to start... rolleyes
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