Sweetheart ring for Vday 2k13

[lnvincibIe]

curtneko

not only is there absolutely no focus on zomg (bar bug fixes) from gaia right now (probably ever again), they actually said releasing sh was a one time thing

I'm kinda glad, I know a lot of people who worked very hard to save up for that ring. And for them just to give it out to everyone..really makes me sympathize with those hypothetical victims. :`c

[Pan Twardowski]

curtneko

Pan Twardowski

Vital Killer

I want the Sweetheart Ring so bad XD.

Quest for it. Lowest buy price is what, 7mil? You can get it in a little over two months if you nerf zomg and hoc every day.

it's a risk considering how minimal zomg's activity is as of late

Honestly, though, any expensive item is a risk. Remember when Striped Stockings were 90k?

[curtneko]

Red Kutai

curtneko

were sr, ff, integ, and abuse also advertised as "limited edition", using the exact phrase? gaia seems extremely vague when something isn't for sure, but if sh was the only ring actually referred to as "limited edition"... well, that isn't so vague

None of those rings existed when Sweetheart was marketed, so I'm not sure what sort of comparison you're trying to make; what's more, none of those rings were sold in the Cash Shop, and thus weren't advertised at all. The phrasing of "limited edition" was intentionally vague - they wanted to generate the excitement of a seasonal item without having to decide prematurely whether or not to offer it again the following year. While opting not to re-release it at that point established a precedent - the reason why I think it would be unwise to re-release it now - at no point did they actually make a promise that they would not do so, because it wasn't until February of 2011 that they actually made the decision not to.

I'm perfectly fine with the argument that Sweetheart shouldn't be re-released - and as I've mentioned, at this point I agree - but I don't see how basing that argument upon misinformation benefits anyone. There was never intended to be any promise; the advertisements for the ring were worded with the understanding that the ring may (or may not) have been re-released. Anything which may have been implied beyond that - except, arguably, for the precedent established since 2011 - is merely an assumption on the reader's part. Gaia made the decision not to re-release the ring at least in part to avoid upsetting the users who had made that assumption, but that does not actually validate the assumptions made; it simply means that they were more interested in keeping the game's fanbase intact than in whatever value a re-release had to offer...

apologies if i seemed as if i was attacking you, i was asking only to know!

i'm used to "limited edition" meaning once it's gone, it's gone

my comparison was if gaia did mean "limited edition" as how i'm used to it, then the other rings that weren't called "limited edition" aren't the same (moreso "festive" or "seasonal'')

[curtneko]

lnvincibIe

curtneko

not only is there absolutely no focus on zomg (bar bug fixes) from gaia right now (probably ever again), they actually said releasing sh was a one time thing

I'm kinda glad, I know a lot of people who worked very hard to save up for that ring. And for them just to give it out to everyone..really makes me sympathize with those hypothetical victims. :`c

the way i see it... you chose to take the risk, don't be mad if a better deal comes up

plus: if you already have your sh, it doesn't actually do anything to you if it becomes available again

[curtneko]

Pan Twardowski

curtneko

Pan Twardowski

Vital Killer

I want the Sweetheart Ring so bad XD.

Quest for it. Lowest buy price is what, 7mil? You can get it in a little over two months if you nerf zomg and hoc every day.

it's a risk considering how minimal zomg's activity is as of late

Honestly, though, any expensive item is a risk. Remember when Striped Stockings were 90k?

but that item doesn't require a game to be used

[Pan Twardowski]

curtneko

Pan Twardowski

curtneko

Pan Twardowski

Vital Killer

I want the Sweetheart Ring so bad XD.

Quest for it. Lowest buy price is what, 7mil? You can get it in a little over two months if you nerf zomg and hoc every day.

it's a risk considering how minimal zomg's activity is as of late

Honestly, though, any expensive item is a risk. Remember when Striped Stockings were 90k?

but that item doesn't require a game to be used

True.

[Abelard The Eclipse]

If anyone is wondering; I'm not planning on deflating the price on Sweetheart, fuc daht s**t.

[Proletariat Porno]

Red Kutai

curtneko

Sorry if I ruin any stasis you two reached or don't really help but here's the announcement for the release of SH if that helps you two any.

[lnvincibIe]

curtneko

the way i see it... you chose to take the risk, don't be mad if a better deal comes up

plus: if you already have your sh, it doesn't actually do anything to you if it becomes available again

Yeah, It's true about the risk when purchasing, but I'll still sympathize with those people who lose profits so suddenly like that (In this hypothetical situation, of course 8D).
And then not everyone is going to want to keep their Sh forever. :`c

[Red Kutai]

curtneko

apologies if i seemed as if i was attacking you, i was asking only to know!

i'm used to "limited edition" meaning once it's gone, it's gone

my comparison was if gaia did mean "limited edition" as how i'm used to it, then the other rings that weren't called "limited edition" aren't the same (moreso "festive" or "seasonal'').

Certainly not 'attacking', but I did jump to the conclusion that you were making a comparison that perhaps you weren't. My apologies if I was being unfair. redface

If I recall correctly, one of the announcements actually used the phrase "when they're gone, they're gone" - however, like "limited-edition", that's a syntactically meaningless advertising term that is really only designed to generate a feeling of urgency for the purchase. Everything's 'gone when it's gone', after all; whether it comes back at a later time is another question altogether, and the announcements make no comment on that (because, again, it was undecided at the time of release).

I wasn't really going to venture into other rings, simply because Sweetheart has enough significant differences from others (not being attached to an Event, and being released exclusively through the Cash Shop) that most any comparison would have relevant holes. Indeed, Sweetheart being the first seasonal/event/what-have-you ring released for the game, the precedent for re-release of any rings did not exist until it was time for Sweetheart to be re-released (and then not until Fortune's Favor established the precedent of re-releasing true Event rings). My real point is simply that because Gaia was still legitimately considering a re-release up until February 2011 - [ JK ] mentioned it at least a couple of times at dev meets, in that period - it seems hard to assert that they really intended whatever perceived 'promise' there was, and unless the text of their announcements explicitly makes such a promise (which it wouldn't, because they didn't intend to make one), there's no reason to try and hold them to a promise they never intended to make.

Proletariat Porno

Sorry if I ruin any stasis you two reached or don't really help but here's the announcement for the release of SH if that helps you two any.

Much appreciated, dear! 3nodding

I've actually gone over the announcements (I believe they made a reminder announcement just before it left the shop, as well) backwards and forwards at the time that a Sweetheart re-release was first up for discussion. I can certainly see from those how someone might assume that Sweetheart would not be released again, but I don't believe that was a conclusion to which Gaia was intentionally leading anyone, nor is it the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn from them. I don't really blame anyone for thinking that it was not intended to see re-release - considering the number of people who believe that, it's obviously an easy mistake to make - but using a nonexistant 'promise' as the basis for a counterargument simply isn't sound. sweatdrop

Thank you again, though. I always appreciate an attempt to bring a little more objective data to a discussion... wink

[MistressMinako]

I lost more than 2mil when they released Jet on Black Friday.

That being said, no. Our devs are completely gone and they are not coming back. Sisky has said as much in her weekly GCD threads. JK and Swarf are too busy working on HoC and Rumble Kitten and whatever else Gaia has planned for the mobile market.

While Gaia probably still has the ability to resell the ring, I just don't see zOMG players as a worthwhile market and I doubt that they would make any concessions toward a dead game.

[curtneko]

Red Kutai

curtneko

apologies if i seemed as if i was attacking you, i was asking only to know!

i'm used to "limited edition" meaning once it's gone, it's gone

my comparison was if gaia did mean "limited edition" as how i'm used to it, then the other rings that weren't called "limited edition" aren't the same (moreso "festive" or "seasonal'').

Certainly not 'attacking', but I did jump to the conclusion that you were making a comparison that perhaps you weren't. My apologies if I was being unfair. redface

If I recall correctly, one of the announcements actually used the phrase "when they're gone, they're gone" - however, like "limited-edition", that's a syntactically meaningless advertising term that is really only designed to generate a feeling of urgency for the purchase. Everything's 'gone when it's gone', after all; whether it comes back at a later time is another question altogether, and the announcements make no comment on that (because, again, it was undecided at the time of release).

I wasn't really going to venture into other rings, simply because Sweetheart has enough significant differences from others (not being attached to an Event, and being released exclusively through the Cash Shop) that most any comparison would have relevant holes. Indeed, Sweetheart being the first seasonal/event/what-have-you ring released for the game, the precedent for re-release of any rings did not exist until it was time for Sweetheart to be re-released (and then not until Fortune's Favor established the precedent of re-releasing true Event rings). My real point is simply that because Gaia was still legitimately considering a re-release up until February 2011 - [ JK ] mentioned it at least a couple of times at dev meets, in that period - it seems hard to assert that they really intended whatever perceived 'promise' there was, and unless the text of their announcements explicitly makes such a promise (which it wouldn't, because they didn't intend to make one), there's no reason to try and hold them to a promise they never intended to make.

ah, the consideration on their part to rerelease the ring is something i hadn't read! still, "limited edition"... i can't name anything off the top of my head that's been labeled "limited edition" and was released on more than one occasion when left unspecified

the hype factor is true of course, but a successful business should know not to overhype or counter a previous statement (though this is gaia we're talking about...)

[curtneko]

lnvincibIe

curtneko

the way i see it... you chose to take the risk, don't be mad if a better deal comes up

plus: if you already have your sh, it doesn't actually do anything to you if it becomes available again

Yeah, It's true about the risk when purchasing, but I'll still sympathize with those people who lose profits so suddenly like that (In this hypothetical situation, of course 8D).
And then not everyone is going to want to keep their Sh forever. :`c

still, it's not like they were forced to sell the ring

[0JS0]

why the f** would you want sh ring for in the first place... unless your tanking Kam, anywhere else its just for show, "fun" & its a waste of a ring slot. Get the gold for it or gtfo!.

[Leasfy]

* A *
such a long tuna run

//was expecting to get it done in 5 hrs max

Good job and sorry for keep being demanding gonk