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I don't often venture into that many Naruto related threads but when I do make that rare excursion into a slightly original thread, because most Naruto topics are driven into the ground like stake, I often times see people mentioning Uchiha Itachi.

I often times see things like

"Itachi is so hot!!"

"I love his personality!!1"

"Sasuke is just jealous!!"

And my head swells damned near to the point of explosion due to the level of idiocy those statments are laden with.So I decided that it was high time to make a thread discussing a very pivotal though mysteriously vague character.

Virtually nothing save for the very basics is known about Uchiha Itachi, in either the anime or the manga. So lets review the basics...

Stats

Uchiha Itachi Statistics
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AGES
GRADUATED FROM ACADEMY: 7
STARTED USING SHARINGAN: 8
BECAME CHUNIN RANK: 9
BECAME ANBU SQUAD LEADER: 13
KILLED THE UCHIHA CLAN: 13

MISSIONS ACCOMPLISHED
D-RANK: 53
C-RANK: 152
B-RANK: 134
A-RANK: 0
S-RANK: 1

Courtesy of http://www.orangeday.net/itachi/


Now lets review what we've learned from the anime/manga...

We first meet Itachi after Sandaime's funeral during the reconstruction of Konoha. As he appears we learn that he is after Yondaime's legacy in other words, Uzumaki Naruto.

Traveling with him is Kisame, a wanted S-Rank felon in the Bingo Book, orginating from the Village of Hidden mist.

Through Jiraiya we learn that Itachi and Kisame are both memebers of a very secret orginaztion known as Akatsuki. An orginaztion which Orochimaru once belonged to. The orginazation is headed by six memebers and missions are carried out by nine hand picked Ninja, Orochimaru, Kisame and Itachi being of the nine. Which would eerily inidicate that there are six unknown Ninja that are potentialy stronger than Orochimaru and even Itachi... but thats a topic for later discussion.

Itachi and Kisame's arrival in Konoha mearly teaches a few things. Itachi has returned, he is part of the Akatsuki and he is after Naruto. His appearence also gives a slight glimpse at the immense power a true user of the Sharingan posseses when he uses his Tsukiyomi Genjutsu on Kakashi.

We also learn one last bit seemingly trivial though potentialy vital information.

Itachi is cautious of Maito Gai.

We once again run into Itachi in the city, the name of which eludes me at the moment, where Jiraiya took Naruto and to find Tsunade.

There we see about the same amount of skill and we learn little more than was already revealed earlier. Though we do pick up a few important details...

Itachi and Kisame are cautious of Jiraiya, obviously so, considering he is one of the Sanin.

Kisame's Samehedatou absorbd Chakra.

Itachi has little to no interest in Sasuke.

And once again...

Itachi is cautious of Maito Gai.

We do learn other various bits and pieces of information about Itachi through Orochimaru later on in the manga. Such as the fact that Orochimaru fears Itachi. That his fear of Itachi is more than likely the driving factor behind his ambition to obtain Sasuke.

Other than that there is very little that we know about Uchiha Itachi. Only Kishimoto will truly be able to tell us what happens next.





Now onto the true purpose of this thread and please do forgive my ramblings...


What do you, the people of Gaia, speculate about Itachi, Kisame and the rest of the Akatsuki? Is Itachi truly the strongest? Are the leaders of the Akatsuki truly stronger than the ones who carry out its missions?

So let us now being the examination and specualtion of Uchiha Itachi's characters and his involvment with others groups, people and orginazations.
Conclusions we have reached thus far

Gai and Itachi
We have thus far concluded that Itachi does not fear Gai per say. In their first encounter we see that Itachi was not only strained by from using Tsukiyomi he was also outnumbered and looking to avoid confrantation. And in my error I failed to realize that Gai had just barely missed Itachi.

So once agian, Itachi does not fear Maito Gai.

The ends Jusitify the means: Itachi and the slaughter of the Uchiha
This is a case I believe we are still currently speculating. Although due to recent events in the manga it can be assumed that Itachi's action were spurred on by the Mangeyou Sharingan. Via Sasuke's flashbacks it can be assumed that Itachi's demenor and reasoning are the results of the deeper truth revealed by the Mangekyo sharingan.

Konoha's strongest
This is a subject which has yet to be resolved. There are various opinions and theories as to who the strongest truly is however no solid verdict has been made. I believe the current theory is as follows.

Jiraiya>Itachi>Orochimaru

The Powers that be
Another of the various topics debated is the Akatsuki, who are they and more importantly what do they want? The only members of the Akatsuki to be revealed are Itachi, Kisame, Orochimaru(Former) and mysterious man who has yet to revealed. We know they seek the Kyuubi but we don't know why. We also know that apart from the active members that they are lead by 9 other men. We know nothing of these men or their powers...

Everyone's still out on this one until further information is provided.


More will be changed and or added later depending on whats develops and how lazy I am.
An actual debatable point is getting less attention than SasuNaru and Is Sasuke gay? threads...
Yay! An Itachi thread! Finally!

The slaughter of the Uchiha clan was five years ago (Sasuke said he was seven at the time). Thus, Itachi must be eighteen.

What I'm really interested in is why he killed the clan in the first place. There's definately more to it than what he's telling us.
Utagoe Shougai
Yay! An Itachi thread! Finally!

The slaughter of the Uchiha clan was five years ago (Sasuke said he was seven at the time). Thus, Itachi must be eighteen.

What I'm really interested in is why he killed the clan in the first place. There's definately more to it than what he's telling us.


I have a feeling he did it to save them from a greater threat. Then again thats just a half assed theory of mine.

He had to have had a damned good reason for it.
Orlan Drake
Utagoe Shougai
Yay! An Itachi thread! Finally!

The slaughter of the Uchiha clan was five years ago (Sasuke said he was seven at the time). Thus, Itachi must be eighteen.

What I'm really interested in is why he killed the clan in the first place. There's definately more to it than what he's telling us.


I have a feeling he did it to save them from a greater threat. Then again thats just a half assed theory of mine.

He had to have had a damned good reason for it.


Agreed. It may or may not have something to do with Akatsuki, too. I read an interesting theory a while ago about how we never saw Itachi kill the clan, and that it's equally possible he was set up to force him into Akatsuki.

I also like how the "*poke* Sasuke, forgive me" thing was portrayed. If Itachi has a specific way of asked Sasuke to forgive him, I can't imagine it won't be used in the future. I bet you anything Itachi will die with a poke to Sasuke's forehead and a "Sasuke, forgive me."
Utagoe Shougai
Orlan Drake
Utagoe Shougai
Yay! An Itachi thread! Finally!

The slaughter of the Uchiha clan was five years ago (Sasuke said he was seven at the time). Thus, Itachi must be eighteen.

What I'm really interested in is why he killed the clan in the first place. There's definately more to it than what he's telling us.


I have a feeling he did it to save them from a greater threat. Then again thats just a half assed theory of mine.

He had to have had a damned good reason for it.


Agreed. It may or may not have something to do with Akatsuki, too. I read an interesting theory a while ago about how we never saw Itachi kill the clan, and that it's equally possible he was set up to force him into Akatsuki.

I also like how the "*poke* Sasuke, forgive me" thing was portrayed. If Itachi has a specific way of asked Sasuke to forgive him, I can't imagine it won't be used in the future. I bet you anything Itachi will die with a poke to Sasuke's forehead and a "Sasuke, forgive me."


I don't quite doubt that either. But then again the fun thing about Kishimoto is that he manages to throw quite a few surprizes in here and there.

Though the thought of such an end to Itachi's life kind of brings a tear to my eye.

Its true he never saw Itachi kill the clan, though it seems almost obvious that he had some sort of involvment in their deaths. It would seem that he left Sasuke alive for a reason, so that he could take vengance out on him when the time was right.

If his goal to eradicate the entire clan he would have gotten rid of Sasuke as well.
Thank you for this thread. Hmm, I don't think Itachi is the strongest... I don't necessarily believe he's stronger than Orochimaru at his peak. Orochimaru has lost most of his forces and the use of his hands, so he pretty weak now... unless that new body is something good, which it undoubtably is. Itachi has extremely powerful genjutsu, but it's possible to avoid or throw off genjutsu. I'm a little surprised that he hasn't done more A-level missions as ANBU captain - guess he didn't have the time, what will killing his parents and all.

I read somewhere that the 9 members of Akatsuki have rings bearing the 9 seals that onmyouji use. So who knows how the other 6 leader ones fit in. I always thought that "Akatsuki" was written as "Red Moon", but it's actually the characters for "dawn"... leading one to think that they're planning some kind of major change or revolution... but it might not be bad? And onmyouji seals are generally used to ward off evil. Hmm. I wonder what their real motives are.

I'm not crazy about Itachi, but Kisame is very cool. So he worked with Zabuza, it seems? I wonder if we'll see any more Mist Swordsmen... maybe Akatsuki is so super-secret that they contract their work out to grunts like the Mist 7 Swordsmen, or try to manipulate people into doing stuff for them... Since Itachi had no particular reason to kill his family (or at least none revealed yet), perhaps he was manipulated. At 13, Sasuke sure is pretty easy to use... Kisame seems older and wiser (and very polite for a shark man, teehee), so who knows why he's hanging around Itachi... perhaps he's a fangirl at heart?
Orlan Drake
Utagoe Shougai
Orlan Drake
Utagoe Shougai
Yay! An Itachi thread! Finally!

The slaughter of the Uchiha clan was five years ago (Sasuke said he was seven at the time). Thus, Itachi must be eighteen.

What I'm really interested in is why he killed the clan in the first place. There's definately more to it than what he's telling us.


I have a feeling he did it to save them from a greater threat. Then again thats just a half assed theory of mine.

He had to have had a damned good reason for it.


Agreed. It may or may not have something to do with Akatsuki, too. I read an interesting theory a while ago about how we never saw Itachi kill the clan, and that it's equally possible he was set up to force him into Akatsuki.

I also like how the "*poke* Sasuke, forgive me" thing was portrayed. If Itachi has a specific way of asked Sasuke to forgive him, I can't imagine it won't be used in the future. I bet you anything Itachi will die with a poke to Sasuke's forehead and a "Sasuke, forgive me."


I don't quite doubt that either. But then again the fun thing about Kishimoto is that he manages to throw quite a few surprizes in here and there.

Though the thought of such an end to Itachi's life kind of brings a tear to my eye.

Its true he never saw Itachi kill the clan, though it seems almost obvious that he had some sort of involvment in their deaths. It would seem that he left Sasuke alive for a reason, so that he could take vengance out on him when the time was right.

If his goal to eradicate the entire clan he would have gotten rid of Sasuke as well.


For a while, I thought I couldn't like Zabuza. Sheesh, did that ever go 180 in a hurry. That's part of why I think Itachi's in for a big redemption.

Agreed, Itachi obviously had a reason for leaving Sasuke alive. Itachi is trying to force Sasuke to be stronger, either because he actually wants Sasuke to be strong (And be able to protect himself?) or because he wants Sasuke to be the one to kill him in the end. I like the former, because if Itachi is trying in some warped way to protect his brother, I wonder what he'll think of Sasuke going over to Orochimaru.

Also, it doesn't seem like Itachi likes killing. He was all prepared to let Asuma and Kurenai walk away until Kakashi said something about Akatsuki.

Unfortunately, this is probably going to be my last post of the night. I'll try and find your thread tomorrow 3nodding
Itachi rules over all.he should be a hokage.
Blizzard_Xp
Itachi rules over all.he should be a hokage.


Idiotic things like this are what I'm sick of.
Blizzard_Xp
Itachi rules over all.he should be a hokage.


Waaugh...

Well--I do lurve Itachi.

But, I have to say that I agree with the ideas that he's not all bad (from the two or three panels of nice-Itachi that we see in the flashback), and that there's a reason he left Sasuke alive--I think it probably has to do with preventing him (Itachi) from doing...something. Or, wants to train Sasuke to defeat someone else.

Er, as you can see, my memory's a bit spotty...it's been a while since I read the manga. Sorry.

I'm really interested in the Orochimaru-Itachi connection.

whee
Yay! Another intelligent Naruto thread!

I think that Itachi'd have good reason to be afraid of Gai. Think about it...
Gai taught Lee the 8 Celectial Gates Technique. In order to do that, he'd have to know it himself. Now, remember how much damage Lee inflicted on Gaara with Level 5? Now multiply that by 1,000 for the other three gates, and then multiply by 10-100 for how much stronger than Lee Gai would be. Now divide it by 5-200, how much stronger Itachi'd be than Gaara.

Blarg. Too much math studying. Anyways, as I recall, we have yet to see Itachi do any serious Taijutsu. Considering how fast Gai probably is, and the fact that he knows to use the medusa method and can still fight, I'd say Itachi may have good cause to worry. Plus, I really want to see Gai throw it down completly in a fight for once. whee

Iroha: Orochi said himself that Itachi was stronger.
Zelyhon
Yay! Another intelligent Naruto thread!

I think that Itachi'd have good reason to be afraid of Gai. Think about it...
Gai taught Lee the 8 Celectial Gates Technique. In order to do that, he'd have to know it himself. Now, remember how much damage Lee inflicted on Gaara with Level 5? Now multiply that by 1,000 for the other three gates, and then multiply by 10-100 for how much stronger than Lee Gai would be. Now divide it by 5-200, how much stronger Itachi'd be than Gaara.

Blarg. Too much math studying. Anyways, as I recall, we have yet to see Itachi do any serious Taijutsu. Considering how fast Gai probably is, and the fact that he knows to use the medusa method and can still fight, I'd say Itachi may have good cause to worry. Plus, I really want to see Gai throw it down completly in a fight for once. whee

Iroha: Orochi said himself that Itachi was stronger.


Gai terrifies me too... but mostly because of I've seen fanart of him naked. And he looks kind of like Anne Rice. His taijutsu abilities have got to scare just about anyone, though, and he's got at least some ability to dispel genjutsu. Scary man, that Gai.

And Oro said Itachi was stronger after he got his arms sealed and suffered a humiliating defeat... Itachi is definitely stronger when Oro can't use most of his techniques, but I'm not ready to write Orochimaru off just yet. He's got a new body and all, who knows what he can do now. It's mentioned that the Sannin are stronger than the average Hokage... so if Itachi has some amazing godlike powers, I wanna see them first. We just haven't seen enough Itachi to know anything for sure...

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