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PinkPandora

A whole lot of mods quit. @.@ So I can see why its taking a while, They just made a bunch of users into new mods, but it'll take them a while to be trained and able to deal with banning issues. And they did announce the glitch. As soon as they found out about it (It happened late at night when people were off work. Made the announcement the very morning). It's unfair to those banned, but it does isolate the issue asap. So I understand why they do it that way. Pissed me off to know end at first though.
I can see why, but at the same time when it's unnatural, one should question it, ne?
I know. There are some really tricky scams. x.x Almost got trapped by one. Its still one of those if they paused to read, they'll know it's wrong. Most don't, especially when they were in the middle of something and then bam! "logged off" when they weren't really.
I was referring to you saying that the items could be taken back without refund.



I understand that. I apologize, I don't recall the announcement, so I was wrong on that end.
And yeah, I understand it - as long as they fix it PROPERLY. Give EVERY innocent user their account back, or really, if you can't decipher who is innocent and who isn't...just let it go. It was their fault, and I'd say there are more innocent users than guilty ones.
It did seem weird, but I saw a ton of people talking about it, I didn't know much about games, and I acted by example. I did question it, only to be told by other users that it was fine.
Yes, there are. But not everyone pays that much attention, and they end up paying the price unfortunately.

Oh, what I meant was that if you're banned with no chance of appeal, you're screwed. You never get your items back or a refund, and that's unfair to the innocent users.

Healer

PinkPandora
...I never know who you're talking to when you do this. And then I wonder if it's only for the person you mention at the top line. After that, I start wondering if I should respond. XD

@iMadame Twinkle: Someone was banned for half a year for supposedly "botting" got her account back. ^^ I know a few people who won. ^^ So I still have hope.

@hekate1314: You're welcome. Sorry I didn't word it nicer @.@ I worry about my wording.

Yea... I tend to go on a rant often I should say, haha. Must stop doing that! >_<

But you're very much welcome to respond to any part or aspect of my post, haha.

Edit: Sleep well, Pandora. :3

Beloved Sex Symbol

Things like This and This. xD;
It ... It made me laugh a little. But still.
I knew it could have offended alot of people.
Your post is long, so forgive me for being brief. I'm addressing several issues, mostly ones that have appeared since the first thread, or ones that have something to do with what I do on Gaia.

[ .NK. ]
You say you're concerned about the safety of your users but you add a texting message. Most of the people you appeal to are tweens! You used to tell us to NEVER give out ANY personal information, but now this new feature/sponsorship is encouraging them to do exactly the opposite! What's going on, Gaia?


Text messages are perfectly safe - neither the sender not the receiver see each other's phone number.

[ .NK. ]
You released a game and didn't tell us about it for two days

This is called "soft launch", and is a form of an open beta test.
Shame on us for testing things before fully releasing and announcing them.

[ .NK. ]
We STILL don't have a lot of the things that were promised to us.

Great! It means that Gaia has not only a past and a present; Gaia has also a future to look for.

[ .NK. ]
- You promised us that this site would be free to play and enjoy, but that, too, was a lie. How? Because the only decent items you release cost cash. The items we've been requesting for years. Panda slippers, for example. How about the orphans? Oh that was a great way to milk us. EIs cost far too much, and they're the best items on the site. They far outshine the recent MCs. They give us things we've been asking for for a long time. But we can only have them if we fork over more of our hard earned money. What about the people that collect the items, and want them all? It's bad enough that we'll likely never get the old DIs, but now we can't even keep up with all of the CS items. One EI after another comes out, and you promised us that they'd be cheap and affordable, but they're not. They're barely obtainable with gold because the users are greedy (I would say that that's not your fault, but you knew damn well it would happen because of the tax you put on the MP. You knew EIs would go for several hundred thousand gold, only to patter out at around 100k). I used to get items easily because I had an art shop, but even then I couldn't keep up with all of the CS items, and I had a very good gold income at the time.

Gaia is free to play and enjoy. The biggest proof of this is the small percentage of Gaians who pay Gaia. Very small percentage. Dig up old Geeza's posts in the previous thread for more details about this.

[ .NK. ]
You keep releasing stupid features that no one wants (Cinemas, used mainly for your sponsorships that are annoying as hell, or VJ or whatever it's called which is overrun with porn and s**t no one wants to see. And let's not forget Gaia IM which is really rather pointless.) while neglecting features that people love.

[ .NK. ]
... You've yet to miss an EI update (maybe postpone it for a day, but you haven't missed one) but yet you've completely forgotten New Movie Mondays and several of the updates mentioned above, it seems. How is that fair to the people - your users - that you depend on?


I'm not sure I can construct a constructive suggestions from these two...

[ .NK. ]
Here are our official suggestions on ways to greatly improve this site.

- Advertisements and Sponsorships.

- Work harder to get rid of the "illegal" ads. These are the ones over PG-13, the ones that get in the way of posting (the Circuit City ads), the ones with music, and the pop ups. I've seen the process for reporting these ads, and it's something that your average user won't be able to do, or want to do. It's a long, complicated process. Let mods work on them while browsing.


As the guide for reporting these ads says, different people see different ads. Even if we decided that it's the mods' work, they could be refreshing pages all day long and not see these inappropriate ads. Unfortunately it is true that the average user won't be able to report the ad. (even though I do believe, as you said in the original post, that "We're smarter than you think we are" ). But we don't need everyone to report each ad. We only need a few, or in some cases - one report.

[ .NK. ]
Just because all items eventually end up on the Marketplace does not mean we can get them without paying cash.

eek
I respectfully disagree.

[ .NK. ]
- No more Mythril Coins or anything like it. You're going against yourself with that, and all for a quick buck. Those coins may have gotten you a lot of money, but it also destroyed the Gaian economy, making us suffer in the long run. I know that Lanzer didn't want to put the 2% tax on the market place. And I'm sure you all argued about it. But you just wasted all of your time and effort doing that by releasing "get rich quick" methods. In the end, it only ensures more money for you, because things inflated so much, so quickly, but the amount of gold that the average user (as in, users unable to buy cash) didn't increase in the slightest. You tell us to just buy the items off the Market Place, but we can't when we don't have any gold, can we? That means that if we want the item, we have to pay with cash. It's as simple as that.


The effects of the mythril coins disappeared almost as fast as it came. The second time they were around, the effect was so small, it was barely noticeable. Gaia's economy was not "destroyed", and the 2% MP fee had nothing to do with it (it was implemented 8 months before the bag of win).
Prices in the MP are determined by market forces. If we gave everyone more gold, prices would just rise to compensate for it. It's as simple as that.

[ .NK. ]
- You lied to us about never changing the gold prices, and yet you did.

It had something to do with it, and I had a whole journal entry about it.
The gist of the story: we had a pricing error, that made potions' gold prices inconsistent with all other cash to gold ratio on Gaia. We fixed this problem a couple of days after releasing potions, by lowering the gold price of potions. Shame on us for fixing our mistakes. Shame on us for lowering the price of two items three days after they were introduced.

[ .NK. ]
- You said you would never interfere with the economy when we asked you to help lower MC prices, but you always mess with the economy. You added a tax; that's messing with the economy. You manipulate the Daily Chance in way that manipulates the Marketplace prices.

Gaia is evolving. New features grant gold. New items serve as "gold sinks". Every single change we make on Gaia affects the economy.
Still, we do not intervene directly in the marketplace: we do not limit or influence the prices. Prices are determined by buyers and sellers.


[ .NK. ]
- Moderation
- This site is poorly moderated. Considering the fact that you don't even pay your moderators (as all sites don't), we think there should most certainly be more.


Not paying our moderators makes it harder to find good ones, not easier.

[ .NK. ]
- Bannings

- Though this somewhat goes hand in hand with moderation, we have a big concern about the mass bannings. We should not be afraid of participating in the website, fearing that we'll be banned when we've done nothing wrong. Mass bannings should not happen unless you have substantial evidence that it wasn't just your screw up. On top of that, you should be able to immediately unban those there were unfairly banned. To ban someone that was truthfully innocent, and then never unban them is wrong, especially when it's usually a committed, paying customer. This leads us to further think you don't care about your loyal, dedicated users. If you think someone has a hacked or botted item, don't immediately ban them, but try to figure out where the item came from first. A lot of people - even those that pay the insane cash shop prices for you - are banned unfairly over this every day. We should not be afraid to accept generosity. Now I'm hearing stories about users that were banned unfairly, and are being told that they'll never be unbanned, even if found to be innocent. What is that? That's not fair at all.


We don't ban people for hacking, scamming and the likes without sufficient evidence. In the rare occasions when innocent users are banned, there is a mechanism for appeal. We take no joy in banning innocent users - why would we?

[ .NK. ]
- Bots

- The bots problem needs to be fixed. This is causing more problems, and costing more money, for you. The only thing to suggest is banning them, really, because more captchas only hurt those of us that are innocent. You need a team of moderators dedicated solely to scouring the Arenas and forums for bots, starting with the most common places.


We spend immense resources on banning bots. If you've seen any bots, in the arenas or elsewhere, report them. We're working on complementary anti-botting measures, and we're improving all the time, but CAPTCHAS are still the best solutions for some problems. We're still tweaking the frequency of CAPTCHAs, and will continue to do so to minimize the effects on real users. But unless some new invention comes along, CAPTCHA will stay with us for a while.

Shy Phantom

Its way too early for me to have to
repeat myself. -.-
You can utilize the aquarium by using the
free items recieved from the Daily chance.
HECK. Send me a blank trade, and I'll see if
I can send you some of my extra stuff.

Yes, Gaia doesn't run on magic,
No, its not nessecary a bad sign that people are complaining.
People have been complaining since the beginning of time practically.
Gaia sees those complaints and does their best.
The problem here is not Gaia, but the focus of the Gaia users.
While some dedicated users are sitting around wishing for a faster guilds update
(and I'm definitely guilty of that) others are spamming the mods inboxes,
begging for the MMO.

And, immediate reward. Gaia users, young and old, new or vetern,
have gained some sort of thought that Gaia needs to more faster.
WHAT? The guilds still haven't been updated?! DAMN ITS ALL THE MMO'S FAULT.
What? I still don't have my account back?! Despite the fact that Gaia faces a serious problem revolving around hackers and scammers-! It shouldn't matter that people are screaming for tighter security! Those mods are so dang slow and stupid!
That sounds so incredibly childish. For one, users, like myself,
have been waiting around much longer for the MMO than for guild updates.
Two, the staff are working their butts of for you.
Show some appreciation instead of complaining.
I doubt you could do a better job, heck, I don't even know if I could
handle that at this point.
There's a fine line between getting users to give you money, and making users feel like they're giving you money.

A few dollars 'donated' in exchange for an item makes a user feel good. They feel like they're supporting the site.

A 10$ items in a store makes the user feel like you're just trying to sell them stuff.

The higher priced items may bring in more money in the short-term, but at what long-term cost? Alienating your core base may ultimately hurt you more than you gain, Gaia.

Healer

ryuichiX3
Things like This and This. xD;
It ... It made me laugh a little. But still.
I knew it could have offended alot of people.

See, why does Towns get neglected so much? D:

(I laughed and felt bad right afterward... They need to stop perpetuating racism, even if it's a joke! I know it's something people just looks back on and laughs now, but there's still racism out there unfortunately. x.o)

Oh oh.

About the bans and dealing with people who are rather not given proper help with their account. Does anyone remember Clementine? I mean, think about that.

Someone who got "hacked" or rather allowed themselves to be hacked were properly resolved yet others who have issues that were unfair do not? Of course, while it's unrelated, it seems like unless you've got connections within Gaia you pretty much won't get the same special treatment.

Beloved Sex Symbol

;__; Yeah. Towns used to be an awesome place.
Everyone like forgot about it. D:

( Mmhmm. x w x~! )

-gets on really quickly to go check out what's going on now-

Edit: Yeah. o.o I remember Hearing about Clementine, I don't know what's true and what's false about her though. D:

Shy Phantom

Thank you Sagger-AT3~
If I had a book,
you'd have just gone up
about 9,001 places.
Those Towns screen shots are so amazing.

Healer

Indulge - I've already said that the fact that when you go look at Phing Phangs consisting of items that can only be bought through Gaia Cash is DAUNTING. I am quite aware that the Daily Chance and Marketplace offers an alternative. I'm just saying that it's going to give a mindset that the main way to actually utilize this feature is through Gaia Cash.

There's no sign in Phing Phangs that says "Oh, don't be alarmed! You don't have to buy it with Gaia Cash if you don't want to pay real money, you can go ahead and try and receive fish and other Aquarium items for free through the Daily Chance or with gold via the Marketplace." Just for someone to venture upon this shop and see the prices tagged on are Gaia Cash-based is what CAN put people off. That's all. xD

And yes they are working their butts off because it seems like they have a TON on their plates as I've said earlier. But sometimes I don't see why they need to appease the impatience of users with features we may/may not want (i.e. Label Maker). I don't mind waiting a while for updates.

I prefer quality over quantity.

Beloved Sex Symbol

Towns looks like this at the moment.
1 2 3
It's not as bad as the racist one.
It's just ... Annoying.

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Sagger-AT3
[ .NK. ]
- Bannings

- Though this somewhat goes hand in hand with moderation, we have a big concern about the mass bannings. We should not be afraid of participating in the website, fearing that we'll be banned when we've done nothing wrong. Mass bannings should not happen unless you have substantial evidence that it wasn't just your screw up. On top of that, you should be able to immediately unban those there were unfairly banned. To ban someone that was truthfully innocent, and then never unban them is wrong, especially when it's usually a committed, paying customer. This leads us to further think you don't care about your loyal, dedicated users. If you think someone has a hacked or botted item, don't immediately ban them, but try to figure out where the item came from first. A lot of people - even those that pay the insane cash shop prices for you - are banned unfairly over this every day. We should not be afraid to accept generosity. Now I'm hearing stories about users that were banned unfairly, and are being told that they'll never be unbanned, even if found to be innocent. What is that? That's not fair at all.


We don't ban people for hacking, scamming and the likes without sufficient evidence. In the rare occasions when innocent users are banned, there is a mechanism for appeal. We take no joy in banning innocent users - why would we?


Sorry but this appeal system just doesn't work.
Djibrilshadow, a good friend of mine was banned for supposedly benefiting from botted gold.
A friend sent her a trade of botted gold. She found out about the gold's origins and canceled the trade. She did not accept it.
She got banned.
She appealed her perma-ban with the screen-shot of her canceled trade.
She was told she had a perma-ban from profiting from the gold.
How can one profit from botted gold if you never recieve it, tell me?

Shy Phantom

I suppose its a matter of opinion,
but I love that label maker.
My Gaia friends and I have fun slamming those
on each other, and then fleeing into our
favorite guilds and laughing hysterically.

Also, you feel scared when you look at the shop?
Then don't look at it. Simple and easy.
Personally, I'm in it for the free items,
and apparently, some of them are actually EIs.
So I could care less that my goldfish are at
the bottom of the food chain and only last two weeks.
I have a steady flow of them provided convenient and free,
and it takes me less than a minute to feed them,
change the fish out if it's died and collect my item.
My motto on Gaia- if I don't like a feature that much,
I ignore it. Like Rally. I set up a car on the first day
it came out, and haven't touched it since.
Does it cause me grief? Not at all!
If you are that opposed to it, then ignore it.
No one is making you use the aquarium.
There's no need to spoil everyone's free item fountain. :3
ryuichiX3
Towns looks like this at the moment.
1 2 3
It's not as bad as the racist one.
It's just ... Annoying.


Who the ******** does Flight think he is?

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