[OFFICIAL Feedback] Raising the Marketplace Tax

Would you like to see the Marketplace tax increased?

Yes	13.4%	[ 1774 ]
No	71.5%	[ 9474 ]
Yay for neutrality/free gold!	15.1%	[ 1996 ]
Total Votes:			[ 13244 ]

[kagome #01 fan]

5% increase in taxes are fine, but please don't go to 10%. I think Gaia should start with a small number like 5% first, and if you still feel it's too little, increase it little, by little. 10% is a little high for me, and a massive jump for fellow Gaians to accept. I am not complaining, but I just hope the change will benefit all of us. ^.^

[Zoomacroom]

chiddytang

2chrono2

I CAST

Inflation is bad, but raising marketplace tax alone will not save the economy. Gold needs to become harder to obtain in general, if we're going to raise the value of it.

MAGIC MISSILE!

I agree with this too.

So do I. Gaia did this themselves by pushing cash, thus making it easy to amass huge amounts of gold. All the tax would do is hurt the little guy.

[Valgaror]

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Valgaror

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Valgaror

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Ok, apparently Gaia does listen to our suggestions. However they just take their finger out of their buttholes mouth and randomly points to look like they are working.

So this idea of rising marketplace tax is from a thread with merely little over 50 replies with most of it's users voting down.

Gaia STOP TROLLING US. I would request for new Devs in cases like this. Someone with a brain at least.




Ok here is the link to that particular suggestion thread to rise tax:
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/site-feedback/how-about-increasing-the-2-marketplace-fee/t.87587441/

And here's a quote for those who are too lazy to go to that link but still wish to know:

Valgaror

Most people can agree that gaia needs more goldsinks. But suggestions I've seen, like more higher priced shop items, events and similar - while good ideas, all seem pretty small scale to me. After all, if the shop items aren't ones that people would want to buy, or people don't participate in the events, then the goldsinks wouldn't be as effective. It seems like more of an "all or nothing" option - and one that would be on a smaller scale, overall.

I don't know exactly how much gold is removed from circulation by each possible goldsink that exists on the site. But, I can make some educated guesses, and the premise of this thread is based on this graph on the marketplace page.



So (assuming I'm reading this right lol) each point represents the sum total of each transaction, the total gold that goes through the marketplace each day. And it's averaging for the past month approximately 5000 /million/ gold. Per day. Is that right? Sometimes it's lower, if you look at the average over the past year it was more at 4000 - however sometimes it's spiked to nearly 8000. But I'll use 5000 as an example since it's a good easy number to work with lol.

That is a LOT of gold traveling through the marketplace each day.
So now, factoring in the 2% fee that's taken out of each transaction? That's also a LOT of gold getting directly removed from the system. 2% of 5000 million is 100 million. And if that's the average amount getting taken out automatically and universally, every day? That is pretty massive.

So, my suggestion is to increase the 2%. Even an increase to 3% would turn that 100 million per day into 150 million. And 5% would make that 250 million gold directly and easily removed from the site each day, for very little individual sacrifice for users buying and selling things. Already people often organize trades rather than using the marketplace if they're buying or selling something expensive enough for the 2% fee to make a difference they want to avoid. But the smaller, convenient transactions still add up to a huge amount. And it wouldn't depend on people buying items that they might or might not personally like, or participating in goldsink events, it'd be a universal cumulative effect over the whole site.

I understand the site needs money. And obviously individual people are always going to want gold lol. So while "DIRECT CASH TO GOLD" sems to me like not the greatest idea and really pretty desperate - if it's something you want to continue doing, then something like this to help stabilize the system would probably not be a bad idea.

EDIT - hey look an official feedback thread. =D I'm going to add a poll to mine as well, with a few more options - I'm curious, and seems pretty likely that someone might be alright with 3% but completely opposed to 10% hah.

...If you're going to quote my entire thread, how about reading the math behind why it would be helpful rather than calling it "trolling" or claiming that devs would be stupid or "trolling" to consider the idea. neutral

Dev are obviously stupid, because there are other threads in the same forums as your thread, which states many smarter methods of gold sinks. And such methods are also frequently suggested in this very thread Kenny created.

Your maths is perfectly simple and fine. Sad news is that Gaia is not a communist society. We are simply not that great as people. We do not want to sell an item that's 20mil and lose 2mils as tax. You perhaps do not understand with your limited wealth on Gaia to understand that these who actually spends good money on Gaia, ones such as myself, will be greatly impacted if the tax rises. I for one hate the 2% tax already.

"limited gold" lolright that's why I've got ports on my avatar now. Everyone thinks gold sinks are awesome - as long as it's not something that they personally have to pay for. Can see how well that works overall, right?

Ports eh. So rich.

Please tell me why we should personally pay for gold sinks and get nothing in return? Why does certain people who use the mp more frequent have to pay more? Why can't Gaia just make a gold sink such as better quality items in the gold shops? Or even a gold rig thats similar to the new flynn's booty would be a much better and faster gold sink than rising the tax.

If you've got to use personal attacks and insults to try to make your point, you might want to attempt to make sure they aren't untrue.

A gold sink is effective if it's universal, constant, site-wide, doesn't solely rely on people buying items that they may or may not personally like, doesn't involve artists spending more time and paycheck to design items, and is a massive amount of gold removed cumulatively over time. If you honestly would object to 3% or 4% compared to 2 then I don't know what to tell you.

[Kelso The Great]

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Jace Quin

Pegasaurus Rex

Oh yeah! They should take away the option to use GC in gold stores. That would probably help a lot.

That is an interesting idea. I wonder how much people actually spend buying gold shop items with GC, though?

Hardly anybody haha. Unless they are super new.

I did when Gaia Cash was first released!
I bought some hair....

[L 8]

Here's a fantastic Idea: Ever consider to stop giving gold out?

[Saffrons_Curse]

Kluddes

With as much and many people I see cry out for more gold sinks and rage/worry about gold overflowing into the gaia economy, I'm surprised there are so many "No" votes on this. It seems people want deflation, but don't want to loose any of their wealth at the same time (even more crazy when I saw someone suggesting people who sell small items to be taxed more than those that sell big ticket items... yeah. That's REALLY going to help and make things better, let the rich keep their wealth, and have the poor loose more. rolleyes ). We can't have both unfortunately when it comes to making gold sinks and getting the gold out of the site so there's more deflation.

I myself, wouldn't mind there being a higher tax in the MP, even though I mostly sell small things like trash and crap to make most of my gold, as long as the tax is equal among all users (and NOT what I saw one user suggest on lower priced items being taxed more than higher items). I'd go for no more than 10% tax.

It's the method of this particular idea that people oppose, not the idea of deflation or taking gold out of the economy. Gaia should cater to its customers and users and make them WANT to part with their gold, not force it out of their pockets like stupid, greedy assmunchers.

[Pandora Hearts Freak]

If It weren't for the forums, I'd quit Gaia. Because the way the staff are messing with the gold is starting to get extremely annoying. This will only raise the price of the market place items because people will be trying to get their moneys worth. A lot of us already don't have enough money as it is. So bugger off and leave the tax alone.

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Ha, just watch a whole big user base quitting because they are going to be too poor to afford items they want. Then they will rage on us venders that we inflated the prices, but in bitter truth, we don't inflate them. It's simply demand and supply. Simple economics.

And now let's say they rise the tax to 10%, an item that was unreachable to less rich Gaians such as lovely lucie, and let's say it's 10m now, it will be 11m. How does that really help securing a player base?

[Wandering Existence]

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Alan the Silly Gentleman

Strings of Destiny

Zamio

I think maybe they could give an achievement for donating gold to some fake Gaia cause, like getting Pete off the streets or something. Like, donate a million gold (which would go into a gold sink) and get some sort of charity achievement. Just an idea. There are other things they could do, like have a Gaia lottery every week -- sort of like the Powerball, but with gold.

This.

Dear mister pete, i'd feel good about that donating. ^

I also proposed Gaia hosting once in a while things like "Get an NPC on your friend list" You know how many people would bid for that? It's like the noob starter shirt that the NPC rufus sold on the MP went for several mil just because it was sold through him.

Oh My goodness, so true!

[Azealia Minaj]

With the recent influx of gold, there have been many concerned that inflation will rise to horrible levels

I wounder why coughgaiacashcough

Might I also add that the Flynn's Booty rig is also making the problem worse. rolleyes

Also, the offer to users who bought a 5$ cash card for the first time with the option of getting an item or 500k was a bad call as well. I wonder how many people exploited that offer on mule accounts.

You guys should have anticipated this before you introduced Gaia Cash to the site. I'm not completely unreasonable, I get the site is growing and you need the money to maintain it, but Gaia Cash turned out to hurt the site in the long run.

I remember when new monthly collectibles were 9k and not 200k.

The site inflation is a direct cause of the exploitation of Gaia Cash, as well as the recent offers to users in order to get them to buy more Gaia Cash.

[Misaki4111]

Sarshan

I'm ok with it, if it's just a couple extra % points...but probably no higher than 5%

Thanks, for agreeing with me.

[SparklyShuichiShindou]

Dalia Royce

SparklyShuichiShindou

Dalia Royce

I don't like it. I make my gold vending so this will hurt me. I see the possible long term good, but I can help but feel a little more than selfish.

How much does it actually hurt you? 2% is not that much so it's not hurting you that much if they raise it only a few percent.... Let's say you sell something for 100k, 2% is only 2k gold. If they raise it to 4% that's only 4k gold instea of 2k it's not that much of an increase in what they take away.... I doubt it will be a ridiculous increase like 20% or something

I also deal with items millions in worth or several items at a time. It does add up. Over time.
2k may be seem small to you, but it's fairly big to me. I actually go out my way to buy and sell items just for that amount.
I'm actually not into the listing fee, but I don't want to deal with the Exchange so much.

Anyway, the polls already show an overwhelming polarity. If Gaia did tweak it at this point, it does appear more will be unhappy than happy for whatever reason they see fit. No long term vision? Maybe. But, it's what they want. They probably want a different sort of gold sink. Just not this one.

I have sold over 60 million in items in the shops, and 2% is not a lot. It does accumulate over time when doing lots of sales but would you rather them just have no tax at all? I can understand people not wanting an increase but there's not a large percentage saying for it to be free, it's more like people don't mind paying the 2% and nothing more.

[Lady Sakqia]

tsukune_713

please dont rise the tax
if you raised it to 10% i wouldnt sell in the mp anymore anyways if you did and i have sold a ton in the mp already over a bil in sales
i think ways to help with removing gold is to concentrate more on the gold shops make items people will want to buy, add a whole bunch new stuff to denier cri and slow down on the cash items (its making me want to cry having new cash stuff released every day)

I like this idea,

[Lord Rosario]

Biggest problem with creating gold sinks is calling them gold sinks! No one wants to sink their gold for nothing. They want something in return for their efforts.

Stop trying to sink people's gold into nothing. Make them invest it in something.

To expand on one of my earlier ideas, sell Gaia Cash Bonds for gold. 5 million gold or so for a ticket that will be worth 1000 GC in a year or so. Make them transferable too, so people can sell them on the marketplace for less than they paid for the thing, in case they need gold before that year is up or trade them for items they want.

This means that people will be REQUIRED to be on Gaia for at least a year to benefit from these tickets, which means you'll be making money off of them for the entire time they are here. NO DOWNSIDE. Do it Gaia. neutral

[Mademonsieur Chaton]

Alan the Silly Gentleman

Strings of Destiny

Zamio

I think maybe they could give an achievement for donating gold to some fake Gaia cause, like getting Pete off the streets or something. Like, donate a million gold (which would go into a gold sink) and get some sort of charity achievement. Just an idea. There are other things they could do, like have a Gaia lottery every week -- sort of like the Powerball, but with gold.

This.

Dear mister pete, i'd feel good about that donating. ^

YES. I WANT THIS. biggrin
Way too much of my gold would go to Pete.. <3