Nights-Rune
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- Posted: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:43:09 +0000
To improve the Gaia Aquarium
I wont let this thread die full stop 3nodding
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Since this page is getting massive here is what is contained in order. Keep scrolling if you want a specific part and look for a header. This will make it handy for all you TL;DR's 4laugh
-Ideas and suggestions
-New Idea for Fishing fish.
-Fish we want to see
-Note for whiners
-User Quotes
-Staff responces
-Ideas in detailed breakdown
-New Idea for Fishing fish.
-Fish we want to see
-Note for whiners
-User Quotes
-Staff responces
-Ideas in detailed breakdown
1, Add the fishing fishes! (this is the only reason most of wanted this feature)
Ok so we petitioned like crazy for this (I myself made a petition so I know this was a wanted feature) It started when the fishers became bored of just hats. We wanted a way to show off our fish and see them swim merrily around a tank.
How it can be implemented: In the store Phin Phang make a feature where you 'prepare caught fish' this I'm confident will be fairly simple to implement as it is swapping a fishing fish for a tank fish that looks the same but will be drawn in the aquarium art style, that cant be too hard.
New: Basically you hand over say around 50 guppies to barret and some gold for him to 'TRAIN' you ONE aquarium guppie. (some wont adapt and he puts them back in the lake) In doing so you get to show off your fishing fish and it acts as a gold sink.
The rarer fish take a lot less fish and a little more gold for barret to 'train'.
The UBER rare fish should only take ONE fish and perhaps be imortal and serve as a non booty related tank buff. They would cost a fair whack of gold for the added benifits of maybe making fish happier and stuff.
NONE of these fish would trigger or participate in booty grab so it would not interfear with gaias profits.
GIVE US A WAY TO SHOW OFF OUR HARD EARNED FISH!
2, Have Phin Phang a GOLD AND CASH shop
Whilst I Know you need to make a profit etc they way you have made this feature pay to play is sickening! You need to release some basic decorations and fish that cost gold too keep us happy and act as a gold sink. GOLD SINKS ARE NEEDED and this is a prime oppertunity.
Rundown: Gaia cash sould be used to ENHANCE the game not to bloody play it. You can have special fish, special food, special items and all manner of shienys that people will want to buy to ENHANCE thier experiance!
3, Life span problem
Ok they either:
a) Shouldn't die,
b) Shouldn't die unless you like NEVER feed them.
c) Should have an AFK feature - people will need to go on holiday sometimes and its hardly fair if thier fish die (this would start from a week up so as no cheating would take place)
d) Cash fish shouldn't die. (gold brought ones can but must have a good reason)
e) Have a magical fish/item to increase life expactany in the tank to a long time or ever.
f) Live longer I do feel the fish drops negate this to some extent.
Side notes:
1, Keep the DC items thats a good idea and the only thing you have done right!
2, Make Gaia unique fish GC only (I personaly wouldnt mind paying $2 for a grunny fish or watermeat or a Coco / Kiki fish <-- this would make you a LOT of money! WE GOT THEEEM!!!!
3, Angelic / Demonic fish for GC (same as above its just a nice money spinner)
4, Its ok to have GC items in Phin Phang just please have gold items too.
5, LOWER THE GC PRICES FOR THE BASIC ITEMS DAMNIT
6, Fix it maybe? Its down for a lot of people sweatdrop ok apparently its STILL broken
7, Is it an item? NO THEN REMOVE IT AND THE CLAM FROM OUR INVENTORYS stressed -have a sepurate storage compartment for the tank and tank related things?
8, Nyeha_Cyka - suggested that we have rare items / fish in prize and joy
9, A fair amount of users - have a naming feature for your fish? GOT IT!!
10, Have the aquarium hold more fish! 8 fish? thats crap at least 12 please! GOT IT!!
11, OMG can we have a teakettle fish for the boiling / freezing condition please (not sure which one it should go in)
12, FIX THE CLAM PLEASE? -Its not working for some users
13, PLEASE MAKE IT SO WE CAN MAKE THE FISH DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN LONG FOR DEATH -its desturbing someone has thier thank up to 10% already and his fish are still suicicdal... what gives? -I believe this has been fixed...
14, Teddy23 - Suggested a life span counter on the pannel that shows fish happieness
15, Personal thing here but moar pirate items? pirate yarrr!
16, Different coloured gravel please? Such as glow in the dark ect -its boring only having one sweatdrop GOT IT!!
17, Make the music sepurate from sound effects please? I want to be able to hear the splooshing and bubbling and water sounds without having to have music on stare
18, SORT OUT THE PIXLE QUALITY OF THE ITEMS THE LITTLE WHITE LINES ON SOME ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE -for ******** sake people pay money for these items POLISH THEM UP!
19, Sort out the way the fish go beind and come infront of objects ... It looks damn stupid when they suddenly swim through ornaments...
20, Babies?
Sleeb
I say a chance for the fish to have babies(Fry). That way if you get them SUPER(!!!) happy you get some free fish and they're babies of your beloved(but old and dying) fish. heart
There you go gaia fixed 3nodding
Fishies we want.
Ok so lots of people in the thread have been sugesting fish to add I thought I'd make a halpful list:
1, All the fishing fish - this would be an exchange maybe with a 1-5g fee per fish? -Good gold sink and this IS the main reason we wanted an aquarium!
2, EVOLVING FISH - GC - people WILL pay money for these and they would add uniqueness to the tank it would be brilliant
3, Angelic / Demonic fish - GC - people are willing to pay for these babies - imortal
4, WATER MEAT - GC - people would go dam crazy and this would get a lot of money coming in (i know i would be willing to pay around $3-$5 dollars if they were imortal) GOT IT!
5, Other gaia related fish - GC - e.g. Gweehorse, Cocofish, Kikifish etc -imortal - lots of money in these babies tooGOT IT
6, Mythical sea creatures - Gold or Cash - either way people want themMermaids I feel count 3nodding
7, Tropical things like seahorses, seadragons, jellyfish, turles etc -GOLDGOT THEM (but not for gold)
8, River fish - GOLD
9, Glow in the dark fish? - Cash or gold
10, Simple tank fish - GOLD - anything you find in a pet shop
11, More fish to survive in the boiling and freezing environments - I WANT A TEAKETTLE FISH! heart
Ok since people obviously arnt reading the thread and seem to think im whining rolleyes let me re-itterat for you TL;DR people or thoes that feel they must get on thier high hourse and preach that gaia is poor:
1,I understand gaia needs to make money - thats why this thread is plastered with money making ideas
2, Gaia isn't poor - far from it they turn a healthy profit and yes they are a company so its acceptable to do so - i get that already! - According to fleep they do not make a healthy profit...
3, Please read and stop bitching sweatdrop if your going to post a counter argument to SUGGESTIONS then at least think things through stare
User quotes: You may get your say too
kaiken
I just wanted to say I like all of your ideas. I especially enjoyed the suggestions for Gaia-related fish (Cocofish and Kikifish heart ). It would be much better if they did things this way. People would definitely pay for awesome items to enhance the experience, but as it is we can only have a 'free sample'.
Oh yay--we can get two types of fish and a handful of decorations from daily chance! This isn't a bad concept but everything else about aquariums makes it so. They probably only did this so they could say you can play for free. You don't have a choice of what you get and if you want more you have to go to the MP where all items other than the DC ones are obscenely overpriced.
Great feature in theory, but execution remains horrifically flawed.
Oh yay--we can get two types of fish and a handful of decorations from daily chance! This isn't a bad concept but everything else about aquariums makes it so. They probably only did this so they could say you can play for free. You don't have a choice of what you get and if you want more you have to go to the MP where all items other than the DC ones are obscenely overpriced.
Great feature in theory, but execution remains horrifically flawed.
LittleRaverMouse
No one is saying we want free items, all we're saying is that it isn't fair to make it accessible only to those able to afford GC. It should be accessible to all of the users on the site, especially considering that this website is marketed towards the younger generations (not to say there aren't adults on here as well, I myself am 21, but I digress). You dont have to make it completely GG, the cooler and more rare items could still remain GC like the evolving items. It really doesn't seem like a wise investment to pay real money for something that is only going to dissipate in two weeks time anyhow :/ As for getting items from DC, I still have not received one thing and I've been on the site almost every day since it was released, nor have I gained anything from the Overseer (granted I only got my tank up and running yesterday, but still).
Teddy23
i would like that when u put ure mouse over the fish ( where it says how happy they are) they can put how much days (not hours cuz it would belike alot of work.. i think..?) how much days they have left to be alive, cuz i can never remember when i put them in and i dont want them dying randomly!! so please do something about it ??
Thx
Thx
Kei Jaidyyn
SUGGESTION/REQUEST:
Please change the little message it gives you with tank health that says something about the fish "longing for death." As long as a fish is kept in a suitable environment with at least a bit of decoration and proper feeding, it's not like it's being mentally traumatized. I keep real fish, and if this aquarium thing is supposed to be oh-so-real, then why should my digital fish "go through hardships" in a similar condition to my real fish who are quite happy?
And also, can't the lifespans be changed at least a bit? Having kept many varieties of freshwater fish, some can live for literally decades in a well-kept environment. Two weeks for a goldfish is just plain stupid, if I may be so bold as to say so. I've had goldfish live for -years- before, not weeks.
Please change the little message it gives you with tank health that says something about the fish "longing for death." As long as a fish is kept in a suitable environment with at least a bit of decoration and proper feeding, it's not like it's being mentally traumatized. I keep real fish, and if this aquarium thing is supposed to be oh-so-real, then why should my digital fish "go through hardships" in a similar condition to my real fish who are quite happy?
And also, can't the lifespans be changed at least a bit? Having kept many varieties of freshwater fish, some can live for literally decades in a well-kept environment. Two weeks for a goldfish is just plain stupid, if I may be so bold as to say so. I've had goldfish live for -years- before, not weeks.
Ryou1st
The basic ryou1st proposal
Its good to be back
You sure had a lot to say there. I think for fishing fish to work for this, you'd be tough pressed to make a fish exchange and have ones you could just quickly buy. I think it would make sense it was a fine line. Perhaps the cheap fish were for gold, lived for a week and died and junk like that. The more gold the longer their life. For Gaia fish trade ins you'd get gaia themed fish i.e. grunny-fish, kiki-fish ect. Lets say that the phing pang(whatever) had a fish shrinker or something because the tanks are too small for the lake fish, or perhaps a fish boot camp to tame lake fish. Now in either one it would basically take (for example) 300 guppies to train in boot camp but only 1 gets tamed and you keep it and the rest are released or something like that. That way it will make fishers happy(me). These fish could have a longer average life span than the gold bought fish since you had to work for it and they provide the best happiness possible giving you better clam(overseer) items daily. Now the GC fish could be the magic imbued fish which never die but give a happiness same as the gold payed fish.
These fish could only die from lack of being fed lets say. Hey there's an idea stomach size(better fish have bigger tummies and lower metabolisms)... So anyway fish bait bought from the fishing shop would affect the fish. F bait fills the fish nothing more. D bait makes them a little happier. A bait would make them a bit happier than D bait and give the fish a longer life span by a little bit. The magic fish could just need food to be happy instead o have a stomach need to be fed. Lets say that for them that all bait makes them happy in increasing value.
In overview:
-having lake acquired fish give best happiness it increases the fishing market(to make fishers happier and have a real reason to fish)
-having lake acquired fish die instead of have hats that stay around forever creates a constant demand for lake fish which by selling in MP would cause the 2% tax to chip away at gold in the system
-Gold acquired fish are easiest to get and they drastically remove gold but the easy nab gives you a short life and not as happy fish.
-magic fish would give us a good reason to spend GC and keep gaia going.
-feeding fish gives us a demand for cold hard gold no matter what fish you have. That or the alternate GC pay(so both)
-in the end aquariums would be a complex aspect hopefully to bring the market to a better place, taking huge sums of gold out of the system and giving gaia real money and making fishing fun again.
Lady Beldandi
What gives??? scream When I joined Gaia many moons ago.... they promised that Gaia would always be free to play and they wouldn't charge for anything but monthly collectibles. Then they brought out the "cash shop" ok stare ... that was so-so. It was basiclly collectible items avaliable for a few months, a play off the monthlys I guess. But they still said that normal Gaia shops would be uneffected!! So what gives with the fish shop!!! evil I have an aquarium that I will never... and I repeat NEVER use. talk2hand I'm not spending REAL CASH for a pixelated fish thats gonna be gone in 2-6 weeks!!! Give me a break! I buy the monthlys because they are nice and are PERMANENT. You want to charge us to be able use what is apparantly an included feature of the site?!?!? I didn't pay for a special "aquarium feature" so why would I pay cash for the stuff to put in it. confused
Get a clue here people. Make the aquarium items purchaseable with both gold and Gaia cash. Old timers said it back when they brought out the 'cash shop" that this was just going to lead to them charging for base features and everyone said "no it won't". Looks like the old timers were right. 3nodding
Edit: And on a side note... don't tell me Gaia "needs the money". In case you missed it... the site is very profitable. If you need proof just check out all the advertisments and sponsors. It's not like they don't get paid good money to post those ads and run special events for movies, games, candy companies, etc.
Get a clue here people. Make the aquarium items purchaseable with both gold and Gaia cash. Old timers said it back when they brought out the 'cash shop" that this was just going to lead to them charging for base features and everyone said "no it won't". Looks like the old timers were right. 3nodding
Edit: And on a side note... don't tell me Gaia "needs the money". In case you missed it... the site is very profitable. If you need proof just check out all the advertisments and sponsors. It's not like they don't get paid good money to post those ads and run special events for movies, games, candy companies, etc.
Ryou1st
mrgreen I know that I am afraid to buy any of the aquarium items for one reason. I don't know what they do! I don't know what makes fish happy. Who does? I mean to say that if any of those items give happiness to fish I'd like it to be inserted into the description. I know that many people are ticked of that bubbles cost 3 dollars. I agree it is a simple visual addition, but if it makes fish super happy I want to know that. mrgreen
cebollita
this seriously just crossed my mind, but there's only one terrain type...at most aquarium store you can at least buy different colered gravel, so maybe they could add in a few new terrains
iBlog
I got a diamondbacklion but want to put it on my aquarium D:
Wes Michaels
Perhaps the original poster should be hired and put in charge of Aquariums. They actually have a rational, logical, and economy-friendly view of the place looking out for the users first and the Gaia cash shop second...
..Which is why it will never come to pass. From the staff responses I can obviously see that they only thing they really care about is keeping their decisions the same as when the decisions were made - sometimes part of being in an administrative role is admitting you are wrong and changing your stance to fit the new conditions.
After all, anybody really want to spend 50-60k on a fish that dies in a few weeks? And more importantly about the overseer and the tank health you should be able to get the tank health up to 100% with just the starter set itself if you take care of your fish daily. My tank health is going up daily, but its slow because I'm not purchasing that bubbler for the outrageous cash price it is.
I think the overseer items are awesome, granting is great because I actually got the Titan thingy the other day and was very happy but the cash only? Too much cash only, lets aim for some more gold only.
..Which is why it will never come to pass. From the staff responses I can obviously see that they only thing they really care about is keeping their decisions the same as when the decisions were made - sometimes part of being in an administrative role is admitting you are wrong and changing your stance to fit the new conditions.
After all, anybody really want to spend 50-60k on a fish that dies in a few weeks? And more importantly about the overseer and the tank health you should be able to get the tank health up to 100% with just the starter set itself if you take care of your fish daily. My tank health is going up daily, but its slow because I'm not purchasing that bubbler for the outrageous cash price it is.
I think the overseer items are awesome, granting is great because I actually got the Titan thingy the other day and was very happy but the cash only? Too much cash only, lets aim for some more gold only.
Mr Pyromaniac
Just one thing.
Why do they even have a "tap on the glass" feature?
Doesn't that hurt/torment fish? I believe so...
So why do my little fishies swim up to the tapping noise as if they're attracted?
and if it does hurt them and their happiness level, then why make the feature?
Why do they even have a "tap on the glass" feature?
Doesn't that hurt/torment fish? I believe so...
So why do my little fishies swim up to the tapping noise as if they're attracted?
and if it does hurt them and their happiness level, then why make the feature?
Teddy23
well i have an idea.. why not we can change things "side" like a miror image.. so if a want a creepy phonograph each side of my aquarium, they will face eachother.. i think its a superb idea!
STAFF RESPONCE: The bit you've all been waiting for.
Fleep
For starters, we do not "turn a healthy profit". I don't know where you got this impression.
All told, some good suggestions, but not necessarily the most logical considering what Aquarium does. Aquarium is a game you play in part to get items from the Overseer. If you didn't get items from the Overseer, it'd be easy - but it's set up so you do.
If items were widely free/buyable-for-gold for it, or fish didn't die, then the Aquarium would be a "magic money making machine" for users and botters alike. Eventually, Aquarium gives some really good rare items and high gold amounts, if you take very good care of it and get your tank health up really high. At that point, you get these items daily.
It's basically like having a Daily Chance that guarantees high-quality items as long as you keep up the tank. It would be extremely easy to exploit, and there would be very little reason for people to support Gaia through the Cash Shop (only a very small % of Gaians do anyway).
One option would be to have undying fish from gold shops that don't have health, but likewise never improve the health of your tank. Could do the same thing with fish from the fishing game. They would be "Ornamental Fish" or something like that -- i.e., they look nice, but they don't improve tank health.
All told, some good suggestions, but not necessarily the most logical considering what Aquarium does. Aquarium is a game you play in part to get items from the Overseer. If you didn't get items from the Overseer, it'd be easy - but it's set up so you do.
If items were widely free/buyable-for-gold for it, or fish didn't die, then the Aquarium would be a "magic money making machine" for users and botters alike. Eventually, Aquarium gives some really good rare items and high gold amounts, if you take very good care of it and get your tank health up really high. At that point, you get these items daily.
It's basically like having a Daily Chance that guarantees high-quality items as long as you keep up the tank. It would be extremely easy to exploit, and there would be very little reason for people to support Gaia through the Cash Shop (only a very small % of Gaians do anyway).
One option would be to have undying fish from gold shops that don't have health, but likewise never improve the health of your tank. Could do the same thing with fish from the fishing game. They would be "Ornamental Fish" or something like that -- i.e., they look nice, but they don't improve tank health.
SimplySimone
Nights-Rune:
Thank you for creating such a positive thread! This is great and the ideas in this thread are pretty awesome. I will do my part to pass on the word to the product team for sure! (*Simone crosses her fingers for a Watermeat for Aquarium.*) biggrin
Everyone:
While I can appreciate the frustrations over everything being sold for Gaia Cash, let's not discount the fact that you the aquarium itself is free along with starter fish and terrain. In addition, Daily Chance is doling out all kinds of aquarium items and fish to jazz up your tank. Plus, the prices in the Marketplace are dropping, so there will be plenty of things available for gold.
Keep in mind that this is a game that will continually have new features, fish, items and capabilities added to it. It's kind of an evolving game (if you will). There's plenty of room for growth here. You do not have to pay to play, you can play for free, but it just takes more time. How many items have you ever quested for where you saved up to buy it?
Thanks again for the great ideas and constructive criticism. It is much appreciated!
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P.S.
I work at H.Q. too! smile
P.P.S.
Gaia is not a public company, so we are not allowed to discuss financials, but I don't believe we ever claimed to be broke.
Thank you for creating such a positive thread! This is great and the ideas in this thread are pretty awesome. I will do my part to pass on the word to the product team for sure! (*Simone crosses her fingers for a Watermeat for Aquarium.*) biggrin
Everyone:
While I can appreciate the frustrations over everything being sold for Gaia Cash, let's not discount the fact that you the aquarium itself is free along with starter fish and terrain. In addition, Daily Chance is doling out all kinds of aquarium items and fish to jazz up your tank. Plus, the prices in the Marketplace are dropping, so there will be plenty of things available for gold.
Keep in mind that this is a game that will continually have new features, fish, items and capabilities added to it. It's kind of an evolving game (if you will). There's plenty of room for growth here. You do not have to pay to play, you can play for free, but it just takes more time. How many items have you ever quested for where you saved up to buy it?
Thanks again for the great ideas and constructive criticism. It is much appreciated!
heart SimplySimone heart
P.S.
I work at H.Q. too! smile
P.P.S.
Gaia is not a public company, so we are not allowed to discuss financials, but I don't believe we ever claimed to be broke.
old_geeza
Hi everyone,
Just catching up on some reading here. biggrin
I've posted on this in a few other areas/threads, but here's the quick summary: Gaia costs money to run. Fleep pointed this out already, but it's true. zOMG, Forums, casual games, etc. all take developers, artists and a bunch of other people to create and keep running.
Most of the features on the site are completely free, meaning you couldn't give us money for them even if you tried. In fact, for most features we actually give you Gaia Gold to use them. A few features, namely Monthly Collectibles, Evolving Items, and now Aquarium exist in part to help us pay for all of the other features.
Unfortunately, we haven't figured out a way to give our users Gaia Gold, then accept that same currency to help pay our bills. (If anyone can figure that out without funny accounting, please let us know!) For this reason, we need a few features like Aquarium to help us pay the bills.
Still, you can make a great Aquarium without ANY Gaia Cash. You can make it look good, make the Overseer happy, and get daily items granted by the Overseer without spending a penny. Goldfish cost an average of less than 200 gold in the Marketplace yesterday. Arrow fish cost less than 900 gold on average. Other decorations range in price from a few hundred gold up to (admittedly) pretty high gold prices, but the prices are all set by supply and demand in the marketplace and most prices are falling each and every day.
Yes, the goldfish die after a few weeks but for anyone who is at all active on the site, earning 200 gold to buy replacement goldfish shouldn't be too bad. Yes, buying in the marketplace is indirectly helping us pay the bills to keep the site running and growing. If you enjoy using Gaia, shouldn't that be a good thing?
Oh yeah, and there are tons of fish and objects available in Daily Chance -- some (like the Cuttlefish, added Friday) that are exclusively available in Daily Chance, not in Phin Phang or the Cash Shop. There are a bunch of ways to get items for free, in other words.
Thanks,
old_geeza
Just catching up on some reading here. biggrin
I've posted on this in a few other areas/threads, but here's the quick summary: Gaia costs money to run. Fleep pointed this out already, but it's true. zOMG, Forums, casual games, etc. all take developers, artists and a bunch of other people to create and keep running.
Most of the features on the site are completely free, meaning you couldn't give us money for them even if you tried. In fact, for most features we actually give you Gaia Gold to use them. A few features, namely Monthly Collectibles, Evolving Items, and now Aquarium exist in part to help us pay for all of the other features.
Unfortunately, we haven't figured out a way to give our users Gaia Gold, then accept that same currency to help pay our bills. (If anyone can figure that out without funny accounting, please let us know!) For this reason, we need a few features like Aquarium to help us pay the bills.
Still, you can make a great Aquarium without ANY Gaia Cash. You can make it look good, make the Overseer happy, and get daily items granted by the Overseer without spending a penny. Goldfish cost an average of less than 200 gold in the Marketplace yesterday. Arrow fish cost less than 900 gold on average. Other decorations range in price from a few hundred gold up to (admittedly) pretty high gold prices, but the prices are all set by supply and demand in the marketplace and most prices are falling each and every day.
Yes, the goldfish die after a few weeks but for anyone who is at all active on the site, earning 200 gold to buy replacement goldfish shouldn't be too bad. Yes, buying in the marketplace is indirectly helping us pay the bills to keep the site running and growing. If you enjoy using Gaia, shouldn't that be a good thing?
Oh yeah, and there are tons of fish and objects available in Daily Chance -- some (like the Cuttlefish, added Friday) that are exclusively available in Daily Chance, not in Phin Phang or the Cash Shop. There are a bunch of ways to get items for free, in other words.
Thanks,
old_geeza
In other news...
The items the overseer grants are simply AMAZING keep it up.
The Cuttle fish is SUPER cute thanks for making a DC only fish.
Detailed ideas benifiting everyone:
These are are i think the most sensible ideas to run with so im giving a better breakdown on them 3nodding
Idea one: Expansion on Fleeps idea = Ok So the idea is he said it would be good to have the fish buyable for gold to not interfere with the tanks health and happieness. This is fair enough. So this is the idea, We have fish that are purley ornamental so they never die and they dont interfear with the happieness of the other fish. Either that or they give a very minimal bonus so this can be things like water meat and the fish from fishing etc (there would need to be a limit of fish allowed in the tank like with the others so people didnt go mad) Maybe really rare fishing fish can give slight bonuses and ones that cost lots of gold. Thats the basic idea in more depth.
Idea two:An approche to breeding that makes gaia a nice profit: Everyone wants thier fishes to breed. Ok so this can be implemented with a simple feature added on to barret with a fee of gaia cash in which you can have two fish breed. This would naturally cost more for two of different species as it would be more 'risky' or whatever and would produce maybe 1-3 hybred babies. This not only means they have to buy the perants but pay for Barret to make them fall in fishy love. People may hate this but its the only way i see Gaia implementing any kind of breeding feature rofl
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