vwytche
I have a theory that post chopping is a side effect of the decreasing attention span that has evident of progressing in each generation since the advent of television. It's also probably indicative of an inability to comprehend to totality of a particular message, creating the need to pick out one point on which to focus, or a lack of self control, creating the desire to spout out whatever dumb thing enters one's head, potentially both. I can see this is already degenerating into, "I can't counter your points, so I'm just going to insult your intelligence." Ah well, what can one do? I will ignore the baiting and simply respond to those parts of your post which constitute conversation on the topic,
"I'm going to call one of the straightest posts you've ever responded to me with baiting and insulting my intelligence while doing the exact same to you first, because reasons, also, I have poor comprehension skills."
Just once. Just once I want you to correctly guess whether I'm pissing you around or being honest. Just once. I want you believe you can do this vwytche, I really do.
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Tell me, just how do you reconcile the conflicts in the official story? B/c you're trying to tell me that some previously hidden, hiding, uninterested, whatever, deities decided one day that they were going to contact some file clerk and tell him to found a new religion by playing cut and paste with a bunch of other belief systems and a chunk of pseudohistory.
Are you just unaware how multiple choice every other Indo-European religion is? Because as a Recon I have to accept that there are differing accounts and all can be valid. Now, the exact same thing isn't quite going on in Wicca, but can you possibly see how, to use a Greek example, if I have to deal with two separate parentages stated for Aphrodite and accept that both are right, I can deal much more readily with the idea that Wiccans can define their religion however they want?
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This is a relatively new development, b/c
Gardner's claim was that he had found a surviving coven. More importantly, how can you expect anyone to buy it when there is about zero evidence of either claim?
Except the former claim (That GBG founded a religion with new rites and ceremonies and he and hIs followers made an orthopraxic codification thereof) has experiential evidence, whereas the second claim (that GBG restarted an ancient practice) once you look into the recorded history of European ethnic religion. So, sorry, one does have evidence, you just don't like it.
Incorrect. Wicca can be traced to GBG's practice, and no earlier. It is therefore the providence of his various successors.
Again, incorrect, but in this case we are talking about a community, not a single trademark holder.
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Language is by its nature and definition, community property.
It is community property. The property of the Wiccan community, which has self-defined itself as a closed community. And it is not alone in this action.
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And please, don't bring up the tired copyright argument, b/c it's not even close to the same thing.
You mean trademark, but again, we are talking about a community owning one.
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And BTW, you're contradicting yourself again, first it's just a label, but then it's their words, and oh so important that it regarded as theirs. So, which is it?
Both. It can both be just a label and belong to them. This isn't a contradiction. Just because the BTWs aren't the ones with the greatest interest in keeping the word doesn't mean it isn't a simple fact that the word's origin and definition supports their use of it, and no one else's.
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That, by the way, is the rule I was speaking of, which I thought was evident, but it seems I was wrong.
A most regular occurence.
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They want this word all for their selves, and they can believe it is all they like. Their supposed right to give anyone else hell for using it "incorrectly" is self granted.
You say this like a self granted right is invalid. Not when it holds up to scholastic scrutiny it's not.
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The terminology
does predate Gardner. Even if you're just talking about the bits that he nicked from Murray and Crowley and so forth that still predates his little cult, and the actual word wicca(n) goes back well over a thousand years.
No one is suggesting that ceremonial terminology is solely Wiccan. Also the words that are a thousand years old are wiccian and wicce/a, not Wicca/n. And I've said it before, it's the grammatical error which starts with Gardner.
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And no, I'm not going to waste my time posting links to evidence you won't even look at before discounting b/c it doesn't agree with you.
Projection, your honour.
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Now, since you seem to have missed it, I was not comparing Wiccans and Christians. I was comparing how you will look for holes in one faith system and take unproven claims from another on face value. Why the double standard?
Sorry, the only time I've taken Christian claims at face value in the past 7 years is apparently in your head, so you're going to have to ask the alternate timeline you've created as to why I have some sort of double standard with Christianity that I don't in actual reality.
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If you don't have answers to any of these questions, that's fine. You can just say so. You don't have to try and distract me from them with insults.
So mad. So very mad. Again, I'm a big fan of how you get more mad when I'm giving you an honest go of things than when I'm just flat out running you in circles. Now, be really surprising and tell me how actually calm you are. That'll teach me.
