Is Islam a violent/ lost/ currupted religion.

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yes	50.5%	[ 432 ]
no	49.5%	[ 424 ]
Total Votes:			[ 856 ]

[G.M.-Skel+]

It's the year 2006 and we still have people being stoned to death, beheaded with swords, penises cut off, given 100 lashes, eyes gauged out, fingers cut off, etc..
And it is all legal capital punishments in Saudi Arabia, the land where Islam is the law; Shariya law.
In a time like this, you can't have people calling non-believers of their religion "KAFIRS" or "INFIDELS".
That's plain heartless.
Islam should be re-written to fit the times we are living in.
What they are practicing now is Medieval.
In Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim countries, many lives are destroyed, people tortured.
All in the name of Allah.

[TeaDidikai]

G.M.-Skel+

Muhammed, the prophet of Islam, the *****.
He is deemed by all Muslims to be the model human being.
He married Aisha when he was 51, and she was 6.
He then consumated the marriage when she was 9.

Wo0t! Someone who is completely ignorant of cultural context! Yay!

Missed the whole custom and age of marriage in his time did we? rolleyes

[TeaDidikai]

G.M.-Skel+? Are you trolling or are you treating J. Chick as an Authority?

[XxMusikJunkiexX]

da_wall

I have my suspicions that the terroists are using islam as almost an excuse to be violent.

You are correct. Of the minute fraction of the islamic population that are radical fundamentalists, they are using religion as a mechanism of destruction. And the rest of islam? They're just hoping for some kind of cease-fire.

[Fatal Hilarity]

TeaDidikai

Bloodless Amber

I've read some of the Koran. I can't say I've read it front to cover, but I've read enough to know it does not encourage violence in any way.

You're right. You haven't read it cover to cover.

See... "reading enough" can get you in trouble, as at least the Bani Isra'il disagrees with your assertion.

Have you read the Koran?
I'd appreciate it if you explained why you disagree.

[Fatal Hilarity]

da_wall

so you reckon that the koran is being misinterpreted by the extremests?

Yes. The Koran supports having faith in Muhammad as God's messenger, and claims other religions are wrong; the New and Old Testament do the same (I've read less NT than anything else, but I have got that impression from the little I've read). It claims Christians are "lost", and claims Jews have angered Allah. But it does not claim they should be killed.

[Angra-Mainyu]

Bloodless Amber

TeaDidikai

Bloodless Amber

I've read some of the Koran. I can't say I've read it front to cover, but I've read enough to know it does not encourage violence in any way.

You're right. You haven't read it cover to cover.

See... "reading enough" can get you in trouble, as at least the Bani Isra'il disagrees with your assertion.

Have you read the Koran?
I'd appreciate it if you explained why you disagree.

Did Tea not already state why?

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (Bani Isra'il)

33 You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped
[ http://www.submission.org/suras/sura17.htm ]

Seems to promote violent action as a means of retribution.

Of course, I'm not islamic scholar so I could well be wrong. neutral

[Pomnuria]

Angra-Mainyu

Bloodless Amber

TeaDidikai

Bloodless Amber

I've read some of the Koran. I can't say I've read it front to cover, but I've read enough to know it does not encourage violence in any way.

You're right. You haven't read it cover to cover.

See... "reading enough" can get you in trouble, as at least the Bani Isra'il disagrees with your assertion.

Have you read the Koran?
I'd appreciate it if you explained why you disagree.

Did Tea not already state why?

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (Bani Isra'il)

33 You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped
[ http://www.submission.org/suras/sura17.htm ]

Seems to promote violent action as a means of retribution.

Of course, I'm not islamic scholar so I could well be wrong. neutral

it's just like the american government if someone murders someone else there's always a chance that they will be put to death

[TeaDidikai]

Angra-Mainyu

Bloodless Amber

TeaDidikai

Bloodless Amber

I've read some of the Koran. I can't say I've read it front to cover, but I've read enough to know it does not encourage violence in any way.

You're right. You haven't read it cover to cover.

See... "reading enough" can get you in trouble, as at least the Bani Isra'il disagrees with your assertion.

Have you read the Koran?
I'd appreciate it if you explained why you disagree.

Did Tea not already state why?

Sura 17 - Al-Isra (Bani Isra'il)

33 You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped
[ http://www.submission.org/suras/sura17.htm ]

Seems to promote violent action as a means of retribution.

Of course, I'm not islamic scholar so I could well be wrong. neutral

It speaks of the Little Jihad. Also note that killing can be replaced by a death price.

[attacco]

I'm going to just give my initial thought.

If you see Islamics as people who now are such radicals that people are blowing themselves up over it. [which isn't really how I see it at all].

Well, then they're certainly passionate of their religion.
Which isn't a bad thing at all.

Also, just reading back at what someone recently quoted [as I type this],
I think its very true that [in that quoted part of the Bani Isra'il, I believe] it states you shall not kill any person except in tthe course of justice.
That makes alot of sense to me.

[Kimyanji]

Interestingly, it is important to keep Qur'anic verses in perspective. The Qur'aan is not organized chronologically. A verse that describes the mannor of fighting in a battle-field is worthless without keeping in mind rules of engagement.

An example not quoted for example would be, in Surat Al-Baqara:

Yusuf Ali, in his translation of Qur'an 2:190

2:190 AND fight in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression-for, verily, God does not love aggressors.

Are some people using verses out of Context? Yes, be it Bin Laden, or Pat Robertson. It's easier to forget about the Muslim working at a food-drive, or quietly praying at home, when all you're looking at are those who burn flags and blow up Baghdad shops and the likes...

[Spiteful_Sage]

let's see if i can make this clear through analogies...

...al queda is to islam what the inquisitors were to catholicism, what atilla the hun was to the mongols, what Hedley is to music, what genital electrodes are to Dr Ho's Massage system, what hitler was to men with mustaches, what mussolini was to people with skin. in short, they are the worst denominator, they are radicals who look to their holy book as a Hayes Manual for getting into paradise. if one story in the Quran says that a guy killed another guy and went to paradise, then that's the way to get to heaven, the meaning behind the story be damned.

this is my opinion

[Theseuss]

I believe G.M.-Skel+ is right, Islam is a religion of war and fear. Muhammad, when he had power he killed and conquered, so it says in history. Islam was invent to assist his war efforts: he satisfied his soldiers by giving them the booty they got from raids; claiming men are superior to women so they can rape them as spoils of war; any body who does not believe in Muhammad is not human, so must die(fear). These are the things people fought under Muhammad for or any other tyrant. He only claimed, he was ordered by god to do these things to sway the Ignorant fools. Today in Islamic countries they have school that literally teach you to become a terrorist.

[Empress Nikki the Fae]

Theseuss

Islam was invent to assist his war efforts:

Nevermind he was a merchant until he created Islam. And then was a prophet until the leaders in Mecca got angry at what they saw as a threat to their power and ordered th

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he satisfied his soldiers by giving them the booty they got from raids;

Which is how armies were compensated for risking life up into modern times.

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claiming men are superior to women so they can rape them as spoils of war; any body who does not believe in Muhammad is not human, so must die(fear).

Oh? Is that beneath the commands to not start war, to exhaust every option for peace, to not to involve civillians, to show compassion to enemies, etc?

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He only claimed, he was ordered by god to do these things to sway the Ignorant fools.

No he fought the war mostly to keep himself, his followers, and his religion alive.

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Today in Islamic countries they have school that literally teach you to become a terrorist.

And oddly enough these schools aren't condoned in anyway and are looked down upon by Islam.

[Theseuss]

Fae Ascendant

Theseuss

Islam was invent to assist his war efforts:

Nevermind he was a merchant until he created Islam. And then was a prophet until the leaders in Mecca got angry at what they saw as a threat to their power and ordered th

Quote:

he satisfied his soldiers by giving them the booty they got from raids;

Which is how armies were compensated for risking life up into modern times.

Quote:

claiming men are superior to women so they can rape them as spoils of war; any body who does not believe in Muhammad is not human, so must die(fear).

Oh? Is that beneath the commands to not start war, to exhaust every option for peace, to not to involve civillians, to show compassion to enemies, etc?

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He only claimed, he was ordered by god to do these things to sway the Ignorant fools.

No he fought the war mostly to keep himself, his followers, and his religion alive.

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Today in Islamic countries they have school that literally teach you to become a terrorist.

And oddly enough these schools aren't condoned in anyway and are looked down upon by Islam.

Are you trying to justify all his acts of killing and raping innocent people that simply did not agree with him? I do not consider slavery compassion to enemies! He never defended anything; all he did was attack without any reason, but to gain power. They will never tell you they condone such horrible schools of course and reporters go over to ask the women if they dislike their lack of rights, though you notice reporters only ask the rich happy ladies never the millions of poor people in the country.