FAQs About Mormonism - Discussion

[Keene Maverick]

Pyropyre

Gaining salvation out of fear isn't possible, you need love. Laman and Lemuel were intimidated by Laban's power, but their fear of power merely showed the power of fear. Since "perfect love casteth out all fear" (Moro. 8:16) their limited capacity to love was thereby very evident. Laman and Lemuel seldom responded to the tenderness of others. When Nephi displayed sorrow over their behavior, Laman and Lemuel were "glad" that he was sorry (1 Nephi 17:19).

1 Jn. 4:18

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Right.

So then, why must we feel a negative feeling (sorrow, guilt) in order to repent?

Mormon.org

To repent, it is necessary to:

* Confess your sins to God.
* Feel sincere sorrow for your sins.
* Ask God to forgive you.
* Do all you can to correct the problems your actions may have caused.
* Turn away from your sins and not repeat them.

Why must you feel /anything/, in fact, other than God's perfect love?

[Take0]

sheehandan

Pyropyre

Gaining salvation out of fear isn't possible, you need love. Laman and Lemuel were intimidated by Laban's power, but their fear of power merely showed the power of fear. Since "perfect love casteth out all fear" (Moro. 8:16) their limited capacity to love was thereby very evident. Laman and Lemuel seldom responded to the tenderness of others. When Nephi displayed sorrow over their behavior, Laman and Lemuel were "glad" that he was sorry (1 Nephi 17:19).

1 Jn. 4:18

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Right.

So then, why must we feel a negative feeling (sorrow, guilt) in order to repent?

Mormon.org

To repent, it is necessary to:

* Confess your sins to God.
* Feel sincere sorrow for your sins.
* Ask God to forgive you.
* Do all you can to correct the problems your actions may have caused.
* Turn away from your sins and not repeat them.

Why must you feel /anything/, in fact, other than God's perfect love?

well, if anyone cares, it's to let us know that we really are doing something bad. so it's less deniable. as in the guilt is what i'm talking about. it's an undeniable nagging in the back of your mind that you have to fix something. without it would you really want to stop sinning? i just had to comment.

[Shemnon]

Repeated sin, repeated crime, eventually leads to a deadening of the soul and a complete insensitivity or blindness to guilt, allowing even worse behavior to follow. But this is not how humans are designed to be. Once we are mature enough to grasp cause and effect, and to understand that those around us are people, too, the influence of the conscience sets in. No matter how banal the upbringing and education that a child receives, no matter how incompetent his or her parents, there is still an innate sense of human decency - our conscience - that cries out in pain when we knowingly do something that harms another. But this pain mechanism, like nerves themselves, can be deadened. The conscience can become seared and inactive, allowing brutes to go on to greater crimes without restraint.

Guilt is the bane of sentient life, a cancer of the psyche for therapists to eradicate. Or so our secular society would have us believe, not recognizing that guilt has been a healthy driving force that has propelled individuals and entire nations to new heights of excellence.

Guilt is a powerful, positive force when it is directed at ourselves, and not at the faults of others. But it must be coupled with hope: with the belief that we can change, that we can overcome our faults. And most importantly, with the belief that our past mistakes can be erased by forgiveness. When we know we can be forgiven and that we can change, guilt is the force that propels us to higher levels of living and being.

Guilt, when properly acted upon, can lead to miraculous change. The Corinthian saints, whom Paul had chastised and called to repentance, felt pained with guilt. Their sorrow was "godly sorrow" that motivated them to change and improve with great zeal, as Paul recounts in 2 Cor. 7:8-11:

Quote:

For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Indignation, fear, vehement desire, zeal, and revenge! All these emotions can be fueled in healthy directions by guilt.

[Pyropyre]

sheehandan

Pyropyre

...fear of power merely showed the power of fear ... their limited capacity to love was thereby very evident.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

why must we feel a negative feeling (sorrow, guilt) in order to repent?

We must feel sorrow, not because we will suffer the consequences for our sins, but because we have disobeyed our Father and hurt others:

2 Corinthians 7:9-10 "Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

Alma 42:29 "And now, my son, I desire that ye should let these things trouble you no more, and only let your sins trouble you, with that trouble which shall bring you down unto repentance."

Mormon 2:13-14 "But behold this my joy was vain, for their sorrowing was not unto repentance, because of the goodness of God; but it was rather the sorrowing of the damned, because the Lord would not always suffer them to take happiness in sin. And they did not come unto Jesus with broken hearts and contrite spirits, but they did curse God, and wish to die. Nevertheless they would struggle with the sword for their lives."

[Darkslider]

Top 10 Signs You Are A Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian.

Of the Top 10 Signs of Christianity, Mormonism falls neatly into all 10.

[Darkslider]

So, Megan (my fiance) and I were reading 3 Nephi 18 at the missionaries request and we came across something that struck us both, at the same time. Megan says it was the spirit, I say it is just common sense. What do you think?

3 Nephi 18:32

32. Nevertheless, ye shall not cast him out of your synagogues, or your places of worship, for unto such shall ye continue to minister; for ye know not but what they will return and repent, and come unto me with full purpose of heart, and I shall heal them; and ye shall be the means of bringing salvation unto them.

We both realized that this verse, right here, is why there are so many ******** idiots/morons/douche bags in the Corporation.

[Zixin]

Darkslider

Top 10 Signs You Are A Christian


4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".


Of the Top 10 Signs of Christianity, Mormonism falls neatly into all 10.

No wonder!! After I rejected the missionaries? they yelled that to my face.
I mean, wouldn't that sorta attitude prevent people from joining?

[Darkslider]

Zixin

Darkslider

Top 10 Signs You Are A Christian


4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".


Of the Top 10 Signs of Christianity, Mormonism falls neatly into all 10.

No wonder!! After I rejected the missionaries? they yelled that to my face.
I mean, wouldn't that sorta attitude prevent people from joining?

I think you are rather the exception than the norm. I myself have personallyl thrown several sets of missionaries out of my presence (both physically and figuratively). Never have I had a missionary yell at me. . . well, there was that one time when I was 6 years old, but I broke his guitar so I deserved it.

[Zixin]

Darkslider

I think you are rather the exception than the norm. I myself have personallyl thrown several sets of missionaries out of my presence (both physically and figuratively). Never have I had a missionary yell at me. . . well, there was that one time when I was 6 years old, but I broke his guitar so I deserved it.

LMAO. xd The ******** one should speak to me like that!! My other friend isn't part of any religion, yet she's righteous enough to be named a god!!
Whow, I admire your ability to just easily throw em out. They remind me of flies...y'know, they come in swarms!!
I wish there were like..electronic security devices that would alert you if a Mormon was approaching your home. "Alert!! Mormon entering premises. Terminate?"

[Darkslider]

Zixin

The ******** one should speak to me like that!! My other friend isn't part of any religion, yet she's righteous enough to be named a god!!

I am interested to know more of this, although I should warn you, I am not likely to take it as fact because it comes from a self-proclaimed "mule" account.

But, please. Continue.

[Zixin]

Darkslider

Zixin

The ******** one should speak to me like that!! My other friend isn't part of any religion, yet she's righteous enough to be named a god!!

I am interested to know more of this, although I should warn you, I am not likely to take it as fact because it comes from a self-proclaimed "mule" account.

But, please. Continue.

Well, according to Mormon terms(or really any other Christian church), she doesn't drink, swear, look at porn, or do any 'sins', morally, physically etc. She is certainly no commandment breaker.
All I'm trying to say is, what right does a Mormon have to tell me that I'm going to hell, just because I rejected the missionary?
You can be a ******** Mormon, but break every single one of the commandments, while someone whos righteous in every single way but not a member of the church deserves to be condemened to an eternity to a fiery torment?!

Whatta load of s**t. stare
Mules are sexy. ninja ...sometimes.(Afterthought)

[Darkslider]

Zixin

All I'm trying to say is, what right does a Mormon have to tell me that I'm going to hell, just because I rejected the missionary?

A Mormon has the same right to say that. . . as you do to rant about it. It's a little thing called the First Amendment.

However, that does not excuse the behavior. And, just to be difficult, I think your statement

Quote:

You can be a ******** Mormon, but break every single one of the commandments, while someone whos righteous in every single way but not a member of the church deserves to be condemened to an eternity to a fiery torment?!

. . . could be turned around to any Christian religion (If I remember correctly, it was Christianity that sparked your original post).

[Zixin]

If Christians in general made comments like that to their potential converters, sure the investigator would wanna join the church.

And whats really funny, is that a MORMON missionary is saying that. I find it so..unusual for a change.

[Pyropyre]

Darkslider

Of the Top 10 Signs of Christianity, Mormonism falls neatly into all 10.

I would reject the term "neatly".

10 - We don't believe in the worship of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but we allow people to believe as they wish.

9 - There isn't a confrontation with evolution itself, but only with some of its believers. We hold to is that Adam was placed here by divine intervention. BYU teaches evolution and rejected the offer to teach creation science. We aren't, against the learning of evolution.

8 - We are told not to put down other religions.

7 - Accually I don't see much hypocrisy between 9/11 and Bible wars. Nor would I like to think people asume Taliban was representative of all Muslims. because I don't.

6 - We wouldn't laugh at Hindu people. Latter-day Saints did donated to the construction of the Hindu Temple... and to the building of the Sri Sri Radha Krishna Temple, for the renovation of the Cathedral of the Madeleine and for the building of two or three Baptist churches in Utah over the past decade or two and for the construction of the first synagogue in Utah, and etc. Any ways, we do believe that Jesus was, according to terms, a "demi-god", and literally a son of deity.

5 - A recycled statement there - BYU teaches evolution.

4 - We don't believe others will spend "Eternity" in an infinite Hell of Suffering. But I do regard my religion to be tolerant and loving.

3 - While its true that number of scientific production in the U.S. per state, at the bottom end are mostly the states considered the "Bible Belt." But Utah is still a significant leader in the production of scientists and had been for 60 years. Thats right, a distinctive “religious” state is also notable for scientist productivity. The largest percentage of Utah scientists are those in the physical sciences (biology, chemistry, geology, etc.)

2 - You couldn't ever claim to know the numbers. Ever.

1 - Those who are learned thinkith they are wise. Puffed up/Prideful in your learnings, but is foolishness to God. How can you claim that Atheists know more about Christianity than Christians?

[Zixin]

Pyropyre

9 - There isn't a confrontation with evolution itself, but only with some of its believers. We hold to is that Adam was placed here by divine intervention. BYU teaches evolution and rejected the offer to teach creation science. We aren't, against the learning of evolution.

Thought I'm not a christian myself,I also believe in evolution, but not creation. Creation, there is so many different theories, none of which have actually truthfully, and REALLY been proven to be correct. I do believe in slight evolutional changes in human beings, eg Neanderthals.

Pyropyre

1 - Those who are learned thinkith they are wise. Puffed up/Prideful in your learnings, but is foolishness to God. How can you claim that Atheists know more about Christianity than Christians?

Perhaps the Atheists studied Christianity for a long time before deciding it wasn't right for them?