Atheists: The Distrusted Minority

[Deep Vermillion]

Elder Spawn

Every culture, aside from hedonistic ones in their deaththroes, (like this culture, or the Greco-Romans), have belief in some greater beings. So unless humanity's culture is genetic, than how would you explain how all cultures have some sort of religion?

Just about every culture, aside from ones in their supposed death-throees (like ours), have believed that the earth is flat and that women are worth less than men.

Do you also agree with this? After all, the majority did.

[Axioma]

Natas Ferret

chibiartstudios

And last time I checked it was christians/muslims/other religions that did most of the killing in the world. I've NEVER heard of an atheist killing someone because his lack of faith in god commanded him to do it.

Apparently, you've never heard of Stalin.

I once saw a documentary that said Stalin was a closet Christian.

But I don't remember much of it, so let take this with a pinch of salt, shall we?

[Natas Ferret]

Axioma

I once saw a documentary that said Stalin was a closet Christian.

But I don't remember much of it, so let take this with a pinch of salt, shall we?

Haha.
I'll just throw Mao in, instead, then. Or was he one, too? hehe.

[Axioma]

Natas Ferret

Axioma

I once saw a documentary that said Stalin was a closet Christian.

But I don't remember much of it, so let take this with a pinch of salt, shall we?

Haha.
I'll just throw Mao in, instead, then. Or was he one, too? hehe.

Err...Super Secret Shintoist? sweatdrop

[Elder Spawn]

chibiartstudios

Congradulations. You just proved everything in the study. Feel proud.

Seriously though, It's crap like this that people like me have to put up with every damn day.

Where the ******** do you get off thinking that I am any less of a person because I demand proof before I believe in god/ghosts/scientology/angels/etc!?

How would you feel if I said "You know! I kind if agree with the idea that Christians don't make good witnesses. Their belief in things with no real proof whatsoever must make them at least A LITTLE mentally incompetent!"

Starting to see why that pissed me off so bad?

Let me explain something to you. Atheists are just as moral as you or me (I'm agnostic myself. I happen to agree with you in that you can't prove the nonexisence of something as poorly defined as god). More so in some cases because, unlike most christians whom just show up on sundays and have never actually picked up the bible, they have actually put alot of thought into their belief rather than just taking what their parent's told them on faith. Beleive it or not you CAN come to rational conclisions on issues of morality and ethics without needing the bible/koran. You just need a good head and the right intentions. Atheists arent just people "mad at god" (and yes! I have heard them characterized like that) Many are scientists whose studies have dissproved FAR too much of biblical creed to take the idea seriosly. Others are fans of philosophy, others just free thinkers. You can't pigionhole us that easilly. We come in FAR too many varieties for you to do that.

And last time I checked it was christians/muslims/other religions that did most of the killing in the world. I've NEVER heard of an atheist killing someone because his lack of faith in god commanded him to do it.

So let me ask you and all the other christians whom seem to have their heads up their asses a few questions:

1) What study showed that Atheists where any more or less mentally sound than religious folks?

2) Why is it any less valid to believe that what isn't seen doesn't exist than to believe in something that can't be seen and may not exist?

3) What difference is there between taking an atheist off the wittness stand because you think he's incompetent and taking a jewish person off the stand because you think he's too greedy and will be bought off?

4) HOW is 3% of the population that isn't even all that vocal going to do damage in any way shape or form to a country that is doing a fine job of damaging itself as it is?

5) What would be the horrible fallout if, say, 70% of the population of the world eventually beacame Atheist? Prove your claims please.

(sorry if I sound bitter, I've put up with alot of bullcrap over this and have a short temper when it comes to this. That and it's 2:30am)

That's the thing though, I have no beef with the nonbelievers. I pity them honestly, their lives are hollow from my perspective.
I'm not saying athiests are a threat to any society, I just think that the belief in the concept of anti-God/dieties, is dumb, and you'd have to be a little off to believe in it. This is just my belief. It's just as valid a belief as your belief against dieties.

You and Natas are failing to graps my point. Which is that this whole FORUM is not about proving anything. And if you try to prove something, on a forum, dedicated to RELIGION, you fail by default as Religion, and morality are not things you prove with logic or facts. They are beliefs. If I believe something. I believe it. There's no right or wrong about it. Its all perspectives. This forums about expressing believes, not proving them. Its not a debate. Its not an arguement. If you're trying to sway someone, you're wasting your time.
Its about expression. Expressing how one views whatever the subject may be. Not claiming someone is right or wrong, or that someone can be better at expressing a belief than someone else.

[Elder Spawn]

Deep Vermillion

Elder Spawn

Every culture, aside from hedonistic ones in their deaththroes, (like this culture, or the Greco-Romans), have belief in some greater beings. So unless humanity's culture is genetic, than how would you explain how all cultures have some sort of religion?

Just about every culture, aside from ones in their supposed death-throees (like ours), have believed that the earth is flat and that women are worth less than men.

Do you also agree with this? After all, the majority did.

Actually those are just some ancient ones. There are plenty of cultures that believe or did believe that women had just as much worth. The Mayans and the Greeks both knew the Earth was round, and other's just didn't bother to think about it.

[Deep Vermillion]

By the way, I have a few minutes, so lemme just deal with this, while I'm at it:

Poll Central

[...]

Conclusion: Therefore, the claim that God exists is untrue.

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That is the fundamental strong atheist invalidation of god.

May I remind you of something you yourself said?

Therefore, God [...] is not bound to natural law.

Oops, looks like trying to logic away God is as irrational as you consider religious beliefs to be.

[Balcerzak]

Elder Spawn

Deep Vermillion

Elder Spawn

Every culture, aside from hedonistic ones in their deaththroes, (like this culture, or the Greco-Romans), have belief in some greater beings. So unless humanity's culture is genetic, than how would you explain how all cultures have some sort of religion?

Just about every culture, aside from ones in their supposed death-throees (like ours), have believed that the earth is flat and that women are worth less than men.

Do you also agree with this? After all, the majority did.

Actually those are just some ancient ones. There are plenty of cultures that believe or did believe that women had just as much worth. The Mayans and the Greeks both knew the Earth was round, and other's just didn't bother to think about it.

I thought you said the Greeks were in their death-throes, so they don't count, right? Can't claim to know much about the Mayan's myself, though.

[Deep Vermillion]

Elder Spawn

Actually those are just some ancient ones.

Oh yeah?

Is that why equality is flourishing in America?

Hey, know what the Bible says about it?

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There are plenty of cultures that believe or did believe that women had just as much worth. The Mayans and the Greeks both knew the Earth was round, and other's just didn't bother to think about it.

I thought we already established that cultures in their death-throes didn't count.

And as for those that didn't bother to think about it, they count as being ignorant of it as well.

I'd say that it's pretty clearly established that the majority of cultures and civilizations throughout the history of humanity have been against equality, have been ignorant of science we consider fundamental and have been far less advanced than us in fields such as psychology, sociology and technology. I assume that since - according to you - anyone that doesn't adhere to the principles of the majority is (and I quote) "a little bit mentally incompetent", you disagree with such newfangled ideas as well.

Also, you brought up that slavery was supposedly wrong. Again, that's hardly a belief shared by history as a whole.

[Elder Spawn]

Balcerzak

Elder Spawn

Deep Vermillion

Elder Spawn

Every culture, aside from hedonistic ones in their deaththroes, (like this culture, or the Greco-Romans), have belief in some greater beings. So unless humanity's culture is genetic, than how would you explain how all cultures have some sort of religion?

Just about every culture, aside from ones in their supposed death-throees (like ours), have believed that the earth is flat and that women are worth less than men.

Do you also agree with this? After all, the majority did.

Actually those are just some ancient ones. There are plenty of cultures that believe or did believe that women had just as much worth. The Mayans and the Greeks both knew the Earth was round, and other's just didn't bother to think about it.

I thought you said the Greeks were in their death-throes, so they don't count, right? Can't claim to know much about the Mayan's myself, though.

The Greeks were, I was just pointing out that we aren't the only culture to know that the world was round, and that the majority of cultures don't think the world is flat and women have less value.
What I was pointing out was that ALL cultures (except for the hedonistic elements) have religion. Because its a fundamental aspect of human existance. Thinking the world is flat or women are lesser isn't part of human existance. Not in my opinion.

[Invictus_88]

Yay for theocracy.

Mistrusted because they make a judgment without evidence? As in, just like the foundation for religious faith?

confused

[Natas Ferret]

Elder Spawn

You and Natas are failing to graps my point. Which is that this whole FORUM is not about proving anything.

You seem to fail at grasping an understanding of what an Extended Discussion consists of.
If you cannot stand to have your beliefs challenged by contrary items, you're in the wrong forum.

Elder Spawn

And if you try to prove something, on a forum, dedicated to RELIGION, you fail by default

Hardly. Just because religion relies on faith, does not detract from the viability of providing contradicting standpoints to faith.

Elder Spawn

They are beliefs. If I believe something. I believe it.

It is however possible to believe in something that is absurd, idiotic, or pointless. Or, in some cases, those three and many others combined.
For instance, the joke "faith" of the Spaghetti Monster. It's a farce, and presents itself as such. Anyone who would claim to truly believe it as truth, or structure their faith in accordance, only stand to show their own incompetence.

By debasing other beliefs, in a manner to detract from their heavenly aspects, and pull them to a more earthly plane of perception, functions along the same roots. To show that sometimes the necessity of metaphysical, is far from being necessary.

Elder Spawn

There's no right or wrong about it. Its all perspectives.

Even perspectives can be skewed, inaccurate, and misguided. Which, usually, tends them to rely on false assumptions, or poorly written logistics. (and that kind of makes them "wrong" in the sense that they would be intellectually dishonest to follow, or assert as true)

Elder Spawn

This forums about expressing believes, not proving them. Its not a debate.

You fail ED.

[Deep Vermillion]

Elder Spawn

What I was pointing out was that ALL cultures (except for the hedonistic elements) have religion. Because its a fundamental aspect of human existance. Thinking the world is flat or women are lesser isn't part of human existance. Not in my opinion.

The one must wonder why it's a recurring theme or idea throughout history.

[Elder Spawn]

Deep Vermillion

Elder Spawn

Actually those are just some ancient ones.

Oh yeah?

Is that why equality is flourishing in America?

Hey, know what the Bible says about it?

Quote:

There are plenty of cultures that believe or did believe that women had just as much worth. The Mayans and the Greeks both knew the Earth was round, and other's just didn't bother to think about it.

I thought we already established that cultures in their death-throes didn't count.

And as for those that didn't bother to think about it, they count as being ignorant of it as well.

I'd say that it's pretty clearly established that the majority of cultures and civilizations throughout the history of humanity have been against equality, have been ignorant of science we consider fundamental and have been far less advanced than us in fields such as psychology, sociology and technology. I assume that since - according to you - anyone that doesn't adhere to the principles of the majority is (and I quote) "a little bit mentally incompetent", you disagree with such newfangled ideas as well.

Also, you brought up that slavery was supposedly wrong. Again, that's hardly a belief shared by history as a whole.

They're beliefs, I'm not saying any are right or wrong. I am just saying. Religion is a fundamental aspect of human existance. Thus denial of any sort of outside, otherhuman consciousness, is against what all humans are like. No one is born thinking "I disbelief" but all people are born with the feeling that there is something more than humanity. The disbelief is brought on by how they were raised and what they've experienced.

[Natas Ferret]

Deep Vermillion

The one must wonder why it's a recurring theme or idea throughout history.

To be honest, I think it's rather common knowledge that the Flat Earth Society is full of rather ignorant blow-hards. Who seem to have nothing better to do, than claim Australia doesn't exist.