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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

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faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.
Part of growing up.
Once people reach a certain age or level of experience, they suddenly realize "Oh, crap. That's now how I thought it was at all..."
faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

I'm not, but it's ferocity and the amount of it is the problem. And the specific direction it's taking. It's not just political corruption sprinkled around it's for a very specific purpose, in a coordinated fashion, from the same side to push a specific agenda.

Sarcastic Genius

Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

I'm not, but it's ferocity and the amount of it is the problem. And the specific direction it's taking. It's not just political corruption sprinkled around it's for a very specific purpose, in a coordinated fashion, from the same side to push a specific agenda.
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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

I'm not, but it's ferocity and the amount of it is the problem. And the specific direction it's taking. It's not just political corruption sprinkled around it's for a very specific purpose, in a coordinated fashion, from the same side to push a specific agenda.
emotion_c8
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When lies begin to influence politics more than truth, and it's for a specific purpose, things can get bad, fast. Which they did at the time.

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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
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faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

I'm not, but it's ferocity and the amount of it is the problem. And the specific direction it's taking. It's not just political corruption sprinkled around it's for a very specific purpose, in a coordinated fashion, from the same side to push a specific agenda.
emotion_c8
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When lies begin to influence politics more than truth, and it's for a specific purpose, things can get bad, fast. Which they did at the time.
except, the vast majority of Alabama voters stayed that the accusations against Moore had very little to do with their votes.

Keep pushing the spin from the right though, the rest of us know that decency won out over a man twice removed from office for refusing to do his job
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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

I'm not, but it's ferocity and the amount of it is the problem. And the specific direction it's taking. It's not just political corruption sprinkled around it's for a very specific purpose, in a coordinated fashion, from the same side to push a specific agenda.
emotion_c8
[X]

When lies begin to influence politics more than truth, and it's for a specific purpose, things can get bad, fast. Which they did at the time.
except, the vast majority of Alabama voters stayed that the accusations against Moore had very little to do with their votes.

Keep pushing the spin from the right though, the rest of us know that decency won out over a man twice removed from office for refusing to do his job


I already showed otherwise, but here's another source.


"For about 40 percent of voters, the allegations were the most important factor in their vote, mostly for Jones voters. Moore voters were more motivated by their support for Donald Trump. Early exit polling shows Jones supporters more staunchly behind their candidate than those behind Moore. " [1]

"Fully 52 percent of voters said the sexual misconduct allegations against Moore were true, according to the exit poll — and 89 percent of them voted for Jones. By contrast, 43 percent said they were false, with Moore winning 94 percent of those voters.

A 60 percent majority said the allegations were at least a minor factor in their votes, and Jones won more than two-thirds of them. Among the 35 percent who said the allegations against Moore were not a factor at all, the Republican won 76 percent of the vote." [2]


Bear in mind that 40% is mostly on the democrat side, so you can double it and get roughly 80% of the democrats. 40% is more than enough to influence an election regardless when the difference to win was less than 1%.

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In essence, you're blaming partisanship
Facts are, Moore was a s**t candidate, and even "crooked" Hillary could have beaten him

But hey, let's blame people believing the credible accusations against him, while slandering the accusers and presenting a false narrative that indicates they're lying. Whatever you have to do to sleep at night.

Sarcastic Genius

Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
Mystic Onyx
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

I'm not, but it's ferocity and the amount of it is the problem. And the specific direction it's taking. It's not just political corruption sprinkled around it's for a very specific purpose, in a coordinated fashion, from the same side to push a specific agenda.
emotion_c8
[X]
When lies begin to influence politics more than truth, and it's for a specific purpose, things can get bad, fast. Which they did at the time.
More like that's existed for as long as politics has.
Wherever two try for one position, there will be needless strife.
A Mythic Angel
In essence, you're blaming partisanship
Facts are, Moore was a s**t candidate, and even "crooked" Hillary could have beaten him

But hey, let's blame people believing the credible accusations against him, while slandering the accusers and presenting a false narrative that indicates they're lying. Whatever you have to do to sleep at night.

"Credible accusations". The problem here is that all it is, is an accusation.

It's guilty until proven innocent. The fact anyone assumes this is true with no actual evidence is a problem, and indicative of a deeper problem given how many think that way. Also nice how you ignored quoting me, and the part that specifically says how much a role the allegations played in their decision. xp
Mystic Onyx
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
faolan
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
What's really worrying is how unsubstantiated allegations can ruin a political career, which can be directed at anyone, at any time, for any reason.
... please don't tell me you're just now becoming aware of this phenomenon.

I'm not, but it's ferocity and the amount of it is the problem. And the specific direction it's taking. It's not just political corruption sprinkled around it's for a very specific purpose, in a coordinated fashion, from the same side to push a specific agenda.
emotion_c8
[X]
When lies begin to influence politics more than truth, and it's for a specific purpose, things can get bad, fast. Which they did at the time.
More like that's existed for as long as politics has.
Wherever two try for one position, there will be needless strife.

Like I said before, I don't think any of this is a new thing. I think everybody already knew this and that it's not really a wake up call for anyone.

I think it's a disturbing trend however with how many people it effects and the rapid pace of it, and the specific things people are achieving from it, rather than it's mere existence. Volume and intensity is really the issue. "Murder has existed forever!" is not the same as "Murder rates are increasing 500%."

Sarcastic Genius

Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
I think it's a disturbing trend however with how many people it effects and the rapid pace of it, and the specific things people are achieving from it, rather than it's mere existence. Volume and intensity is really the issue. "Murder has existed forever!" is not the same as "Murder rates are increasing 500%."
Behold! The power of the internet!
Mystic Onyx
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
I think it's a disturbing trend however with how many people it effects and the rapid pace of it, and the specific things people are achieving from it, rather than it's mere existence. Volume and intensity is really the issue. "Murder has existed forever!" is not the same as "Murder rates are increasing 500%."
Behold! The power of the internet!
Basically, it's as simple as this. There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, things we know we don't know. I think the emphasis is too much on the unknown unknown's rather than the known unknowns which is driving a lot of the problem, or perhaps in a way the reverse.

So that's basically my clarification of the issue.

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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
Mystic Onyx
Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
I think it's a disturbing trend however with how many people it effects and the rapid pace of it, and the specific things people are achieving from it, rather than it's mere existence. Volume and intensity is really the issue. "Murder has existed forever!" is not the same as "Murder rates are increasing 500%."
Behold! The power of the internet!
Basically, it's as simple as this. There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, things we know we don't know. I think the emphasis is too much on the unknown unknown's rather than the known unknowns which is driving a lot of the problem, or perhaps in a way the reverse.

So that's basically my clarification of the issue.
I know the original source, but this came to mind first.

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