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Destructive Bunny

User ImageDo you like economics? I hope so, but I'll try and make this as interesting as possible even if you don't.

Also Gaia, I have a lot of trades for art right now, don't ban me ok? ; u ;

What is Flynn really? question

Decades ago the toothpaste company Colgate discussed multiple ways to increase their profits, such as advertising more or funding new research and development. In the end the solution was simple, the toothpaste tube's cap was enlarged, so that each time a consumer brushed their teeth, they were using up more toothpaste than before. Requiring them to replace their toothpaste more often and spend more in a year.

See the image on the right for a reference to the size of the cap in decades past compared to now.

A lot of other companies do this, from appliance manufacturers who make washing machines and fridges designed to not last long after warrantee expires, to food producers who reduces the net weight of their goods every year while keeping prices the same.

The principal is the same, getting more profit with the same amount of effort. Or even getting more profit with less effort used than before.

Gaia is doing exactly the same thing. Flynn's booty and chest are the larger cap size of Colgate. The products haven't increased in quality, you aren't getting more quantity, but you are definitely spending more to maintain similar standards as before. This applies to both gold and Gaia cash.

Let me explain, some people use Gaia cash to purchase items they want directly, like evolving items, monthly collectables, and sales such as Black Friday. However only a limited variety of items is for sale in the cash shop at any given time, to get other items they need gold. Those people buy items with the intent to sell so they can use the gold gained on the items available only in the marketplace. This would probably be the majority of purchasers.

Generally speaking, the longer you wait to sell a cash item for gold while it's still in the cash shop the less profit you will make. As more and more people also start selling. However this depreciation only applies to the item you are selling, it doesn't affect gold value, or the value of other items (mostly).

User ImageFlynn is different, the more you buy it the more it depreciates, but not only that, because it's a gold generator, the more it's bought the more gold depreciates in value, which doesn't only affect the Flynn's booty or chest items, it affects every single non gold shop item on gaia.

With each consecutive purchase of Flynn, 'the bang for your buck' decreases and you are getting less value. With each opening of Flynn, more gold is added into the system and consequently your existing gold is worth less because it has less purchasing power than before.

It's a self defeating item, the more it's sold the more useless it becomes, to counter the fact that Flynn's booty has already become useless and undesirable as a purchase, Gaia created Flynn's chest, with a bigger payout to be more attractive to buyers. Eventually even Flynn's chest will become useless, and Gaia will have to supersize the gold generator once more to keep it relevant.

Why keep releasing it? gonk

1. Almost no expenses needed to make it, just edit existing icons and coding. No need to pay artists.

2. Inflates all existing items, making them harder to buy with gold if your only income is from capped games (zomg/booty grab). Therefore making purchasing GC more attractive as it will save you months of time spent playing games. (This could be why SmashBlox payout is still set to generating 1.2billion a day.)

3. Because items are inflated, they can charge more GC for them in flash sales. Eg: Kanoko's dark reflections costed 2mil in the pre-Flynn era, where GC exchange rate was roughly $10 = 1mil. So the most they could put that item on sale for is $15. After Flynn, the item has inflated a huge amount, so Gaia is now charging $25. The item hasn't changed, you aren't getting more poses. If you sell it for gold to buy other items your purchasing power is still the same. If you sell it for gold and then keep the gold then your purchasing power will steadily decrease. Yet now it can be sold at $10 more.

Will this continue forever? emotion_0A0

Short answer: Maybe

Long answer: Maybe not.

Unlike Colgate, which expanded the cap size very slowly and gradually over decades, Flynn is ballooning without restraint in a few months. The different between the two is subtlety. When done right, taking the easy road isn't noticed at all, and consumer satisfaction remains the same. When this strategy is used overtly and without pause however, it becomes highly visible and consumer satisfaction will go down.

No one likes paying more and getting less than before.

Which brings the sustainability of the item and even the site as a whole into question. Being a community is a double edged sword, this site is only fun as long as there are other people here to share it, the forums are almost entirely user generated content. Causing dissatisfied people to quit makes the community less diverse, interesting, and fun. Which in turn causes more people to lose interest. It's not a cycle you want to be in.

Congrats Gaia, I won't be quitting, because this whole economic experiment thing you have going on is hilarious to watch if nothing else.

Toothpaste photos courtesy of Colgate, Flynn is drawn by Fayren Pickpocket, and can be found on her DA account fayrenpickpocket. I always credit art and images emotion_yatta

Discuss:

Your projections for the Gaian economy
Your thoughts on the less is more sales pitch
Your plans for your Gaian life in the future

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Edit: This article Gataka linked is a great read on models of monetization in gaming. What works and what doesn't.
gataka
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With each consecutive purchase of Flynn, 'the bang for your buck' decreases and you are getting less value. With each opening of Flynn, more gold is added into the system and consequently your existing gold is worth less because it has less purchasing power than before.
This Ramin Shokrizade person calls that a supremacy good:
" A supremacy good is a good or service that reduces the value of all other linked goods and services in its space, including itself. "
He uses it in another context, sort of, but I find the concept useful :U

Anyway, what concerns me most is that Gaia seems aware of the self-destructing nature of Booty & Co, yet they still use it. With "moderation" I presume :/


Editx2: Icysnowgirl has drawn a cute comic about this topic! Visit her comic thread here.

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It feels like we're on the Titanic, sometimes.

"This ship will never sink! Who needs lifeboats!?"

Oh wait... Oops. Yeah. Maybe lifeboats are a good idea, after all. And better ship design. And maybe our helmsman should have been paying attention, and not driving the boat at too high of a speed.

Oh, we're sinking? Well.

Flash sale! Limited time offer: Get a seat on a lifeboat for only 500,000 GC!


I guess I'll just go down with the band, right? Least I get to enjoy myself a bit longer.

Sparkly Fairy

Not a fan of the less is more thing.

years ago cake companies decided to change the amount of cake mix in their boxes to less than what it was before. This is an issue if you need more than one box of mix to make a specific amount of cake. Now to get the same amount you either need to buy an additional box(if needing multiples, like for several tiered cakes) or bump it up with more flour/leavening etc etc.

Destructive Bunny

Arowan
I guess I'll just go down with the band, right? Least I get to enjoy myself a bit longer.
Yes, on sites like this having fun is all that matters ^^ Do what you still enjoys, do something else if it's no longer enjoyable. 3nodding

As customers it's really not our responsibility to worry about companies, although we do it anyway when it comes to gaia xd

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Not a fan of the less is more thing.

years ago cake companies decided to change the amount of cake mix in their boxes to less than what it was before. This is an issue if you need more than one box of mix to make a specific amount of cake. Now to get the same amount you either need to buy an additional box(if needing multiples, like for several tiered cakes) or bump it up with more flour/leavening etc etc.

Not a fan or it either, my favourite chocoloate biscuits get reduced in net weight every few years. They think no one notices but I do! crying

I usually add more choc chips/nuts/dried fruits to cake mix to begin with, because they are usually stingy with ingredients anyways, but that's a good point. If a packet once flled a tray and now it doesn't that becomes very noticable.

Skilled Genius

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Inflates all existing items, making them harder to buy with gold if your only income is from capped games (zomg/booty grab). Therefore making purchasing GC more attractive as it will save you months of time spent playing games.


Exactly this. It creates a catch-22 for the users. Where they're forced to buy more Flynn Crap just to get anything. Which then just keeps raising prices so they have to buy more Flynn Crap just to keep up, which only furthers problem (for us) number three. Where they get to charge more money for the equivalence of it in the MP.

In short, Gaia's doing a bunch of low balling.

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Knight Yoshi

Exactly this. It creates a catch-22 for the users. Where they're forced to buy more Flynn Crap just to get anything. Which then just keeps raising prices so they have to buy more Flynn Crap just to keep up, which only furthers problem (for us) number three. Where they get to charge more money for the equivalence of it in the MP.

In short, Gaia's doing a bunch of low balling.

Yup, and having item sales based on market prices only draws people's attention to the item more, and raises it's desirability, in some cases inflates the item more than before. (Workshop flora, Dark conductor, etc)

Bad cycle is bad xd

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Not a fan or it either, my favourite chocoloate biscuits get reduced in net weight every few years. They think no one notices but I do! crying






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They've done it to Freddos as well. The Freddo frogs you can buy now- not as large as the ones we got as children. It was especially noticeable to me when my sister was doing a big fundraiser and we were selling chocolates for a while, and they shrunk them down. This fit more frogs in the box, but the frogs were smaller, and you actually got the same amount of profit as the fundraiser. I think the only people who won from that were Cadbury.

Anyway, it's certainly an interesting economic experiment. I hope they have someone poised to raise the gold limit for users, as I'd imagine there'd be people worried about hitting it at the moment. The more of Flynn we have, the less effect each individual box has, and because it's turning up so often, the effects are very noticeable. If you were a user who was making their income only from Gaia's capped methods (ZOMG, BG, and to a certain extent things like posting owing to the diminishing returns), you'd pretty much not want to bother any more.


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Skilled Genius

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Knight Yoshi

Exactly this. It creates a catch-22 for the users. Where they're forced to buy more Flynn Crap just to get anything. Which then just keeps raising prices so they have to buy more Flynn Crap just to keep up, which only furthers problem (for us) number three. Where they get to charge more money for the equivalence of it in the MP.

In short, Gaia's doing a bunch of low balling.

Yup, and having item sales based on market prices only draws people's attention to the item more, and raises it's desirability, in some cases inflates the item more than before. (Workshop flora, Dark conductor, etc)

Bad cycle is bad xd


It is a bad cycle and all they're going to do is alienate the users that can't afford, or won't buy from, the cash shop. Which will make more users quit. I've already had a couple friends quit because of this. :l
On the up side I made a new friend (you).

Destructive Bunny

Zzyli

And cherry ripe too, they are in those fun sized packets now, more bars but less weight overall xd Cadbury is sneaky :3

I really hope no one hits the gold limit anytime soon, having that much pure is just... not a good exchanging decision at the moment xd and I'm pretty sure anyone who has that much will realise it too.

Time wise, there's really not much point to playing booty grab for gold unless you really enjoy it or it's become a habit. At least with zomg you can still farm alchemy components which have also inflated. Working an hour at a fast food outlets and getting paid $5 will net you more gold. You can buy monstrosity and sell it for 2mil+, can't do that with 1 hr of booty xd

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Knight Yoshi

It is a bad cycle and all they're going to do is alienate the users that can't afford, or won't buy from, the cash shop. Which will make more users quit. I've already had a couple friends quit because of this. :l
On the up side I made a new friend (you).
Haha yeah, things like this can bring people together too 3nodding I'm sure it's a unite against the common foe instinct ingrained in us somewhere xd

More upsetting than people who are quitting, are people who are getting banned, which seems to be happening more and more too.

Skilled Genius

Starshine
Knight Yoshi

It is a bad cycle and all they're going to do is alienate the users that can't afford, or won't buy from, the cash shop. Which will make more users quit. I've already had a couple friends quit because of this. :l
On the up side I made a new friend (you).
Haha yeah, things like this can bring people together too 3nodding I'm sure it's a unite against the common foe instinct ingrained in us somewhere xd

More upsetting than people who are quitting, are people who are getting banned, which seems to be happening more and more too.

Eh, that's just because they violate the ToS. Lol. I've read some of the public conversations about users being banned and seems like they deserved to be banned. Though I do have a friend that got a warning from Xya because he runs a casino and gambles using the dice generator, you know random numbers being generated. Yeah he wins a lot, and received payments from a hacked account and he got a warning for it because they think, but do not have proof that he's "conspiring" with hackers off-site. Again, random number generator and he's some how conspiring and cheating to launder gold? No, plus I've seen his screen over Skype before.
I'll forward a message to you that I got a few weeks ago which was crap. stare

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Pretty much knew all that already, but thanks for taking the time to type it all out.

My main concern is that Gaia are milking us for all we're worth in a cashgrab until we're forced to switch over to their "sister site" that's currently in development...

Of course, I'm a hardcore pessimist, so I could just be seeing the worse case scenario here... maybe...

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And cherry ripe too, they are in those fun sized packets now, more bars but less weight overall xd Cadbury is sneaky :3

I really hope no one hits the gold limit anytime soon, having that much pure is just... not a good exchanging decision at the moment xd and I'm pretty sure anyone who has that much will realise it too.

Time wise, there's really not much point to playing booty grab for gold unless you really enjoy it or it's become a habit. At least with zomg you can still farm alchemy components which have also inflated. Working an hour at a fast food outlets and getting paid $5 will net you more gold. You can buy monstrosity and sell it for 2mil+, can't do that with 1 hr of booty xd






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The only reason I could think of having that much is either 1) Just because- they decided to liquidate for giggles or 2) To spend up big on arts before leaving the site. It would be an easy way to autobuy a few auctions.

Of course, the trouble with say working & getting paid $5 an hour, is that it's not about your income, it's about your disposable income. Hopefully Gaia factors into people's lives after they've taken care of important stuff like food & keeping their cars on the road or whatever. Still, autocash at the moment could probably get you in excess of 5 mil a month easily. Gaia has certainly ramped up the value of GC in comparison to gold.

I'm sure it's not just Cadbury who has the incredible shrinking foodstuffs, but that was the example which came to mind.


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Rogue

Very well done. I thought the same case study too!I thought that was just me x_x

unfortunately, with how things go, all I could say is expect for the worse
unless they really put immediate course of action as well as appropriate planning

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