Why are so many of gaia's lolita items so... "ita" looking?

[Jayce Reinhardt]

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Jayce Reinhardt

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Jayce Reinhardt

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yeah, I'd like for there to be more fitted and patterned lolita dresses.

Elegant lolita is a thing and I haven't seen that on gaia yet.

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But it takes a long time to pixel that rose pattern appropriately. That's a s**t ton of work on a staff that's already incredibly busy.

Not all the time, sometimes I recognize the pattern brushes because I have the same ones in my photoshop.

The pattern brush honestly can't work that way with a rose pattern though.

It takes a long time to make the item look fitted and shaded appropriately and give that particular look if you rely on the pattern brush. It's easier to paint each design individually because you can think through how the rose will curve on a 3D shape.

What I am saying is that I have seen brushes used in item previously so that could be a viable option for them as a time saver and it looks good anyway.

If they wanted to do that with a rose pattern, I would have no complaints.

We'll have to agree to disagree with that one. I can't speak for the artists, but I can speak as myself as an artist who does pixelling in my free time, and that sort of work just simply meets my criteria of things I'd like published.

I also don't find any of the items that do use the pattern brush to look all that great.



Like I don't find this appealing at all.

We will have to agree to disagree then as I don't think that is horrible.

[Magically Clueless]

it would be nice if we had specific item examples to fit what you mean by being over exaggerated and high cut (low cut??)

I probably can't say much because I am a big fan of the poofy items. Intense poofy item fan. I feel weird when my avatar doesn't poof enough because it doesn't feel as complete or balanced.

I would love more lolita styles being brought to Gaia and I'd love wearing those too, but c'mon exaggerated isn't THAT bad

[Imperious Condescension]

aj OwO

you are not entirely correct.
or i have met the "rare" kind lolitas?

i wear bodyline shoes(brand shoes will never fit me) and blouses and off brand blouses, nobody has ever criticized my shoes or blouse. i wore shoes i bought from target to my first meet up because i couldn't afford much less fit into a brand shoe, and there wasn't enough time for anything to ship out. i didn't get called an "ita" or criticized for it either.
there are many lolitas i know that rock bodyline pieces or clothing from smaller brands.
yes, there are those that consider AP, baby, IW, and etc. to be Brand dresses, but i doubt even they would say you HAVE to have one of those brands to be lolita.
common advice i have heard is pad your wardrobe out with bodyline and cheaper brand and even off brand items, get an expensive piece for special occasions.
also you can get good deals on dresses if you know where to shop.

have you ever been to a lolita meet up? not an anime convention.
i have been to a few, and my co-ords still are far from where i would like them to be, but i have gotten nothing but positive responses from my fellow lolitas.
i'm sure there are negative lolitas out there that will overly critique someone who is new to the fashion, but you find those kind of people everywhere you go, not just in lolita.

at an anime convention, a lolita is more likely to be asked what anime they are cosplaying and being told that their costume is nice. while not surprising might contribute to some crankiness. lol

P.S. if you don't like or want to follow the rules of the fashion, wear it anyway, just don't call it lolita. nobody will give any shits at all.


as for gaia lolita, i would love to see more!
there are a few nice things now, but it is a niche fashion, so i don't expect the artists here to want to devote too much time to it.

Thank you.
Lolita isn't a costume. Lolita isn't white girls trying to be Japanese. (one could actually argue the complete opposite. And I've seen PLENTY of other races dress lolita)
It's a fashion. That's part of the reason a lot of lolitas ARE so uptight because a lot of the times there are people who think it's solely an anime thing and dress off what they see from anime (which is where the hatred for lace monsters and giant cuts comes from).

Most lolitas can tell the difference between someone who is honestly trying to get into the fashion and someone more being all "HEY GUYS IM ANIME JUST LIKE YOU, DESU"

Lolitas already get enough crap for their fashion choices from the outside world. The ones who only dress like it's a costume party only add fuel to that fire.

[vhenan]

i think we've definately seen an improvement over time, like the keikos cake skirt is so much nicer then when we had only "g lol" sets

i do think its more the exposure to shitty anime "lolita" and less to actual brand stuff that causes it. id love some
nicer classic mary madgalene styled ops or even some sets that are more ap ott sweet themed. havent read the other replies in the thread tho im sure theyre also not so knowledgable about lolita subculture and id rather not get myself angry lol

[Kronilix]

you're the one who made the adorable majoko item! anywho, I agree completely with you on this subject - prays for gaia to get it's s**t in gear-

[Kelso The Great]

Imperious Condescension

Your assessment is lolita is slightly true. It's main focus is elegance above all else and also modesty in most of its sub genres. (within the exception of ero-lolita and even that's modest compared to most other fashions) But as within any fashion there are things that are considered faux pas. There are things that are considered "no-no's" within any fashion, despite whether personal taste or not. The fashion world is a very critical place. To think otherwise is kind of contradictory of what makes things "fashionable" in the first place. Too much lace is considered unfashionable within the lolita community.
Yeah, you can have a bunch of lace and have big cuts and maybe show off some cleavage. But to most lolitas you're not doing it right. There's a STYLE to style.

I understand the origin of the term Lolita to be from Vladimir Nabokov's novel written in the 50's. The style hit mainstream around the 90's.
Between then linguistically it was used to describe young women with a mature or sexualized appearance...
Why the fashion culture decided to adopt it as their name is beyond me.
The style has escaped from the original sexualized meaning of the word though, but the feminine focus is still very important. The clothing is vintage inspired, Typically they have an admiration for Victorian or Elizabethian aesthetics. Grand Petticoats, bodices, decorative hats and parasols. These tend to be trimmed and decorated with lace though.

As far as "faux pas," or rules and guidelines are concerned, they are only made to be broken by those brave few... As I mentioned before, to each is their own. Personally there isn't much that makes me happier than being drenched head to toe in black lace like I'm attending a funeral.

Besides that, if everyone adhered to strict stylistic guidelines, we would all be dressing the same, and Fashion would have no progression. As well I wouldn't want to be part of a subculture that is highly critical and judgmental of such superficial qualities, an accepting and open attitude will nurture individual and community progress.

My personal mantra has always been "do what feels right for you." If you like something that someone else considers a "faux pas," you shouldn't be made to feel ostracized and embarrassed for it.
Strict Rules can take all the fun out of fashion, (I had to wear uniforms for years, and I hated it, and found every chance to break the rules.) Changes in Variations lend toward options, and I like having options!
So please don't forget the fans of lace while exploring other avenues of design!

I want to see a fashion landscape where Sweet and Gothic Lolita are free to mingle with one another and regular fashions.

[Zeren the Morph]

If there's one thing Gaia on a whole seems to really dig, it's lace. Lace on everything. Lace on dresses. Lace on pants. Lace on hats. Lace on codpieces. Lace on lace. Lace within lace.

Personally? We need less lolita, and more power armor and gigantic piles of firearms. U:<

[aj OwO]

Imperious Condescension

aj OwO

you are not entirely correct.
or i have met the "rare" kind lolitas?

i wear bodyline shoes(brand shoes will never fit me) and blouses and off brand blouses, nobody has ever criticized my shoes or blouse. i wore shoes i bought from target to my first meet up because i couldn't afford much less fit into a brand shoe, and there wasn't enough time for anything to ship out. i didn't get called an "ita" or criticized for it either.
there are many lolitas i know that rock bodyline pieces or clothing from smaller brands.
yes, there are those that consider AP, baby, IW, and etc. to be Brand dresses, but i doubt even they would say you HAVE to have one of those brands to be lolita.
common advice i have heard is pad your wardrobe out with bodyline and cheaper brand and even off brand items, get an expensive piece for special occasions.
also you can get good deals on dresses if you know where to shop.

have you ever been to a lolita meet up? not an anime convention.
i have been to a few, and my co-ords still are far from where i would like them to be, but i have gotten nothing but positive responses from my fellow lolitas.
i'm sure there are negative lolitas out there that will overly critique someone who is new to the fashion, but you find those kind of people everywhere you go, not just in lolita.

at an anime convention, a lolita is more likely to be asked what anime they are cosplaying and being told that their costume is nice. while not surprising might contribute to some crankiness. lol

P.S. if you don't like or want to follow the rules of the fashion, wear it anyway, just don't call it lolita. nobody will give any shits at all.


as for gaia lolita, i would love to see more!
there are a few nice things now, but it is a niche fashion, so i don't expect the artists here to want to devote too much time to it.

Thank you.
Lolita isn't a costume. Lolita isn't white girls trying to be Japanese. (one could actually argue the complete opposite. And I've seen PLENTY of other races dress lolita)
It's a fashion. That's part of the reason a lot of lolitas ARE so uptight because a lot of the times there are people who think it's solely an anime thing and dress off what they see from anime (which is where the hatred for lace monsters and giant cuts comes from).

Most lolitas can tell the difference between someone who is honestly trying to get into the fashion and someone more being all "HEY GUYS IM ANIME JUST LIKE YOU, DESU"

Lolitas already get enough crap for their fashion choices from the outside world. The ones who only dress like it's a costume party only add fuel to that fire.

it just really bothered me with all the people saying that lolitas are snobs and brand whores. emotion_eyebrow

yep, lolita is a fashion for anybody no matter your race or gender. emotion_c8

i have been asked what i'm cosplaying or if i'm alice (in a chocolate print dress that had some cards and a few rabbits on it so obviously alice in wonderland) and etc. just wearing it outside (not a convention)

some of my first dresses were horrible ebay lace monsters! emotion_facepalm
i learned more about the fashion and i love the dresses, blouses, bows, bags, and shoes i have now. the quality is so much better.
there are many lolitas who are very happy to help people new to the fashion, and let's face it, there can never be too many lolitas! (my opinion emotion_yatta )

i have never found the rules of lolita to be that difficult.
i don't put on my clothes and think "ok, am i following all of the rules to be a "proper" lolita"
if it's a fashion you love, i don't think that that's how you would be thinking about it //end opinion

i want more ouji styles here. every lolita princess needs a prince emotion_kirakira

[KillerCaitie]

Most of the items I use to make sweet or gothic lolita avis are still ones from years ago.

Some of the things just look tacky & I won't use them.

[Madam Ace]

aj OwO

i want more ouji styles here. every lolita princess needs a prince emotion_kirakira

yaaaas
love me some ouji

More puffy shorts!
(a lot of the shorts on Gaia are too short. Midnight Child and Prince of the World are good short lengths in my opinion)

[Skyllaeh]

Suppose it's cause it's the most common style of Lolita in West. Granted, some things become ita-lolita if it's not matched correctly. Some of the items do have a bit too much lace, fitting the typical ita style, but it could also be a part of the decora one (aside from some colors, of course).

We do have some EGL (elegant, more grown up), as well as some Wa Lolita (kimono goes cutesy lolita) items (really wish we had more of those.. soo pretty with lacey kimonos). I've seen some Hime's around. Then there's the more grown-up lolita style, but they're more subtle.. Not sure if we have any of that... We have a wee bit of ouji, but we defo need more of that too.

But honestly, I'm not sure. Maybe it's because it's just the most common.

[Day7]

I uh

I've always thought lolita clothes were just black poofy lace dresses


I didn't know they were... japanese victorian style dresses

[Kelso The Great]

Skyllaeh

We do have some EGL (elegant, more grown up), as well as some Wa Lolita (kimono goes cutesy lolita) items (really wish we had more of those.. soo pretty with lacey kimonos).

The _ Sumiko Item set is my favorite Wa Lolita item. Beautiful large lace trimmed sleeves. A dress with a large bell shape and obi sash, and a simple yet elegant updo... the set alone is a great outfit, but in coordination with other wafuku (traditional wear) or Loli items, you will find some practicality, don't forget the variety of recolors.

[ST4CY]

Gaia was originally an anime site so meh.

My complaint is the skinny body mods and awkward legs. There are no excuses for it. Changeling babies that are trolls with bulbous noses and anything you find searching for "chubby" are basically body shaming and...I'm going to stop complaining now.

[Kelso The Great]

Day7

I uh

I've always thought lolita clothes were just black poofy lace dresses


I didn't know they were... japanese victorian style dresses

You are probably thinking Gothic Lolita, large amounts of black, occasionally other colors mixed in.
Think the typical Lolita characteristics with a darker aesthetic. Kinda cute, kinda creepy.
That was my introduction to the fashion. Through Visual Kei bands and artists like Mana.

It was pretty odd to see a dude shredding the guitar in a dress.
Versailles is another that is influenced heavily by the Lolita Aesthetics.