Glitch in the Gold Generators?

[DYRL]

Linshon

I don't get why this is a topic. The admin lead said they investigated it, they said it was legit, and the user bought what they wanted and the item that was bought is one that only 2 are known in public existence.

Because users apparently know more about the inner workings of this site than the admin lead. emotion_awesome

Jesus Christ

[_-Orgasmic Deathnote-_]

Anjoulie

lts Just Pixels Bro

Long story short there was a large purchase through the marketplace and the gold was clean it was not a result of gold gens.

Of course it was, ultimately, because that's where most of the gold originated from at some point.

the irrelevance of this statement is real. It doesnt really matter where the gold came from.
This was not a result of a gold gen glitch, the gold is clean, the purchase was legit, and
the fluctuation of inflation and price control will now begin.

[justaboutthattime]

DYRL

Linshon

I don't get why this is a topic. The admin lead said they investigated it, they said it was legit, and the user bought what they wanted and the item that was bought is one that only 2 are known in public existence.

Because users apparently know more about the inner workings of this site than the admin lead. emotion_awesome

Jesus Christ

Haha. I agree, as far as inner workings go its everyone blind outside opinion looking in and taking shots in the dark hoping they hit a target. That being said I can see like Gash having an opinion on the marketplace because he's been around and knows about the market place. He's from everything I know a standup guy and I can't blame him for suspecting a glitch 100% but I think after the admin confirms that it wasn't a glitch but rather a old user with clean gold buying a rare item that it is that ya know?

And the other people inciting that there is "dark dealings" going on. It makes me laugh literally out loud.

[_-Orgasmic Deathnote-_]

Linshon

DYRL

Linshon

I don't get why this is a topic. The admin lead said they investigated it, they said it was legit, and the user bought what they wanted and the item that was bought is one that only 2 are known in public existence.

Because users apparently know more about the inner workings of this site than the admin lead. emotion_awesome

Jesus Christ

Haha. I agree, as far as inner workings go its everyone blind outside opinion looking in and taking shots in the dark hoping they hit a target. That being said I can see like Gash having an opinion on the marketplace because he's been around and knows about the market place. He's from everything I know a standup guy and I can't blame him for suspecting a glitch 100% but I think after the admin confirms that it wasn't a glitch but rather a old user with clean gold buying a rare item that it is that ya know?

And the other people inciting that there is "dark dealings" going on. It makes me laugh literally out loud.

x2.

[Zero Omega]

Gash Thrashum

Zero Omega

Gash Thrashum

I'm hearing that there was a glitch in the gold gens yesterday which allowed people to recieve trillions in gold. This would explain the huge spike in the MP and all the item listings getting bought out/ABPs going up.



Does anyone know more about the situation? I don't have any confidence in Gaia clearing things up or making any sort of announcement about it.

This is not a case of gold generators. We just finished investigating this and found it was a result of one particular user purchasing a Double Rainbow Ticket for 300 trillion gold. The Marketplace graph is not necessarily a representation of how much gold is in the economy or being generated by gold generators. It tracks how much gold has moved through the Marketplace only. Lots of things can make the graph rise or fall. For example, if we had a bunch of older users with lots of gold come back to the site and purchase a lot of things on the Marketplace, it can rise. If we had a bunch of users sell incredibly high priced items, it can rise. On the flip side, if people decided to stop using the Marketplace, it will fall. In this case, a user had enough gold to conduct a large transaction like this and spike the graph. I predict it will dramatically fall back to normally levels tomorrow if MP spending remains normal.

There was a really high level of activity on the MP yesterday. Items that normally would not be purchased at specific prices were being bought. Item listings were being bought out entirely. While I would like to take your word on it, I think there's more to it than a single user purchasing a ticket for an astronomical price. I watched the market very closely yesterday and had items of my own bought for ridiculously high prices.

I understand the concern, thus far all the activity that we have investigated has been completely legitimate. If there was activity going on that was not legitimate we would have jumped on it with trade disables and working to reverse any damage as best as we could.

NamesRina

Zero Omega

Gash Thrashum

I'm hearing that there was a glitch in the gold gens yesterday which allowed people to recieve trillions in gold. This would explain the huge spike in the MP and all the item listings getting bought out/ABPs going up.



Does anyone know more about the situation? I don't have any confidence in Gaia clearing things up or making any sort of announcement about it.

This is not a case of gold generators. We just finished investigating this and found it was a result of one particular user purchasing a Double Rainbow Ticket for 300 trillion gold. The Marketplace graph is not necessarily a representation of how much gold is in the economy or being generated by gold generators. It tracks how much gold has moved through the Marketplace only. Lots of things can make the graph rise or fall. For example, if we had a bunch of older users with lots of gold come back to the site and purchase a lot of things on the Marketplace, it can rise. If we had a bunch of users sell incredibly high priced items, it can rise. On the flip side, if people decided to stop using the Marketplace, it will fall. In this case, a user had enough gold to conduct a large transaction like this and spike the graph. I predict it will dramatically fall back to normally levels tomorrow if MP spending remains normal.

Also, before there are concerns about hacked/exploited gold, we investigated the user in question and found that all the gold was clean. It was a legitimate transaction, albeit abnormal.

wasn't 300trill , was 133.337trill

You are correct, my apologies for the incorrect information. I had my numbers confused because I had just woken up when I started looking into this and my information about the price for the ticket was reflecting the total gold going through the MP, I meant to say 133 trillion confused my numbers due to sleepiness. z_z

I have a tissue

Zero Omega

Gash Thrashum

I'm hearing that there was a glitch in the gold gens yesterday which allowed people to recieve trillions in gold. This would explain the huge spike in the MP and all the item listings getting bought out/ABPs going up.



Does anyone know more about the situation? I don't have any confidence in Gaia clearing things up or making any sort of announcement about it.

This is not a case of gold generators. We just finished investigating this and found it was a result of one particular user purchasing a Double Rainbow Ticket for 300 trillion gold. The Marketplace graph is not necessarily a representation of how much gold is in the economy or being generated by gold generators. It tracks how much gold has moved through the Marketplace only. Lots of things can make the graph rise or fall. For example, if we had a bunch of older users with lots of gold come back to the site and purchase a lot of things on the Marketplace, it can rise. If we had a bunch of users sell incredibly high priced items, it can rise. On the flip side, if people decided to stop using the Marketplace, it will fall. In this case, a user had enough gold to conduct a large transaction like this and spike the graph. I predict it will dramatically fall back to normally levels tomorrow if MP spending remains normal.

Also, before there are concerns about hacked/exploited gold, we investigated the user in question and found that all the gold was clean. It was a legitimate transaction, albeit abnormal.

You're kidding, right? Not all of us are going to suck down spins like this.

How can you say that this doesn't involve Gold Gens? This is THE DIRECT RESULT of selling those damn things.




Users were never supposed to have that much gold in the first place. Remember that 2.whatever bil cap that was raised because people were getting too much gold? Yeah, that. Prices wouldn't be this high in the first place if Gaia didn't sell them, so please don't bullshit your members, thanks.

You're making it hard for me to believe that there isn't more going on with this crap since you came around on a Saturday. neutral

I think you're misunderstanding my point. My point was regarding the MP graphs and what could result in them fluctuating. Even before gold generators there was the possibility for the MP graphs to shift dramatically like this.

And posting on a Saturday is not unusual if there were concerns that there was a gold exploit resulting in this. We investigated for an exploit, if there was, we would be continuing to work over the weekend to fix the damage. I decided to take the time to post here today to reassure users that there is no exploit and that transactions have been clean, they do not have to worry about the integrity of their accounts.

[Anjoulie]

_-Orgasmic Deathnote-_

Anjoulie

lts Just Pixels Bro

Long story short there was a large purchase through the marketplace and the gold was clean it was not a result of gold gens.

Of course it was, ultimately, because that's where most of the gold originated from at some point.

the irrelevance of this statement is real. It doesnt really matter where the gold came from.
This was not a result of a gold gen glitch, the gold is clean, the purchase was legit, and
the fluctuation of inflation and price control will now begin.

You not understanding it doesn't mean something is irrelevant.
Before gold generators existed, we never saw people amass so much gold that they'd be able to cause spikes of that kind in the graph.
It is a result of the gold generators.

[frailheart]

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Does no one else find it funny that it was essentially bought for '1337' amount of gold? lol ...Ju...just me? damn.

Honestly, since I just glance at the MP graph I thought it was some depressing combo of end of the summer event+no one really cares about the kickstarters anymore+GC sales+Gold Generators. Hopefully it's just the big ticket purchase and not that plus the combo that is the bane of the MP because god that graph is so depressing to look at. :T


ѕσмєтнιиg ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ вє мιѕѕιиg, уσυ ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ fєєℓ ємρтιєя...
________ ѕσмєтнιиg ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ вє мιѕѕιиg, уσυ ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ fєєℓ ємρтιєя... ________

[Gash Thrashum]

I think it's important to question odd happenings on the MP just like I did the last time which resulted in my trading pass (along with many others) being locked for a few weeks, when a user was found having glitched Win Gaia bundles. If nothing is done to question or investigate, it results in a worse website experience for everyone. This is a site that over the last year and some months has done a lot to lose the trust of users, so being skeptical is absolutely necessary. In this case, I heard from a couple of users that there was some sort of glitch allowing for large amounts of generated gold. Coupled with what I saw on the MP and how much my own items were purchased for (it was beyond anything prior to yesterday/the day before), I admit I may have allowed for confirmation bias to set in. Granted, I don't regret questioning and will continue to do so if it's something that can negatively affect the users on this site.

Just like it's beyond the control of programmers sometimes when these glitches occur and we have to take human error into account, said human error is also possible in other areas such as investigating potential issues. Lord knows I've been caught up in one of those before where I was assured the site was functioning properly yet I somehow fell victim to a glitch.

In any case, there's nothing I can really do but accept what an Admin says is the case since they're obviously privy to more information than I am. I fully apologize when I am wrong, and if that's the case, I'm sorry to all parties involved.

[justaboutthattime]

FrailHeart

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ѕσ, ι'м ωяιтιиg тнє fυтυяє; ι'м ℓєανιиg α кєу нєяє...

Does no one else find it funny that it was essentially bought for '1337' amount of gold? lol ...Ju...just me? damn.

Honestly, since I just glance at the MP graph I thought it was some depressing combo of end of the summer event+no one really cares about the kickstarters anymore+GC sales+Gold Generators. Hopefully it's just the big ticket purchase and not that plus the combo that is the bane of the MP because god that graph is so depressing to look at. :T


ѕσмєтнιиg ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ вє мιѕѕιиg, уσυ ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ fєєℓ ємρтιєя...
________ ѕσмєтнιиg ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ вє мιѕѕιиg, уσυ ωσи'т αℓωαуѕ fєєℓ ємρтιєя... ________

I understand your frustrating here but as stated earlier (I believe by Zero Omega), just watch the graph in the next few days and it will show you that it is purely because of the ticket purchase. If the graph stays the same, then its GC Sales + Kickstarters + Gold Gens have caused inflation again but that huge spike will drop back down to a normal amount in 3 days. If that gives you any reassurance.

[_-Orgasmic Deathnote-_]

Anjoulie

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Anjoulie

lts Just Pixels Bro

Long story short there was a large purchase through the marketplace and the gold was clean it was not a result of gold gens.

Of course it was, ultimately, because that's where most of the gold originated from at some point.

the irrelevance of this statement is real. It doesnt really matter where the gold came from.
This was not a result of a gold gen glitch, the gold is clean, the purchase was legit, and
the fluctuation of inflation and price control will now begin.

You not understanding it doesn't mean something is irrelevant.
Before gold generators existed, we never saw people amass so much gold that they'd be able to cause spikes of that kind in the graph.
It is a result of the gold generators.

No, I actually understand it all too well. It was irrelevant because the topic is about a gold gen glitch which YOU apparently Don't understand. You're a user who knows nothing of the internal
situation and you're using your blind opinion to make a point, which is not logically backed.

Gold gens may have created the gold used to purchase the item, but it doesn't make it any less legit and has nothing to do with this particular situation.
You should think, before you type.

[justaboutthattime]

Gash Thrashum

I think it's important to question odd happenings on the MP just like I did the last time which resulted in my trading pass (along with many others) being locked for a few weeks, when a user was found having glitched Win Gaia bundles. If nothing is done to question or investigate, it results in a worse website experience for everyone. This is a site that over the last year and some months has done a lot to lose the trust of users, so being skeptical is absolutely necessary. In this case, I heard from a couple of users that there was some sort of glitch allowing for large amounts of generated gold. Coupled with what I saw on the MP and how much my own items were purchased for (it was beyond anything prior to yesterday/the day before), I admit I may have allowed for confirmation bias to set in. Granted, I don't regret questioning and will continue to do so if it's something that can negatively affect the users on this site.

Just like it's beyond the control of programmers sometimes when these glitches occur and we have to take human error into account, said human error is also possible in other areas such as investigating potential issues. Lord knows I've been caught up in one of those before where I was assured the site was functioning properly yet I somehow fell victim to a glitch.

In any case, there's nothing I can really do but accept what an Admin says is the case since they're obviously privy to more information than I am. I fully apologize when I am wrong, and if that's the case, I'm sorry to all parties involved.

I think you are absolutely right it is important that people question things, we can look at government today and see this in the same fashion in that if no one ask questions than we receive no answers and then the room goes dark and allows people to do things behind the shadows that might be sketchy. Being skeptical I 100% agree is necessary it just goes both ways though, you have to be skeptical about information being given to you as well such as gold generator glitches. Human error you are spot on about as well, sometimes mistakes happen and damage control has to be issued especially when it comes to programming and coding. Asking questions is a great thing and I think especially in a situation like this that not to many people had been publicly aware of that it sheds some light it is just unfortunate that despite an admin's response (and this isn't to do with you but rather some other people that posted in this forum) there are going to be people that always no matter what information and responses are given to them will refuse to accept information and always have their own spin on it where they accuse them of having shady dealings or people covering things up. Well written response and I like your logic man.

[I have a tissue]

Zero Omega

I have a tissue

Zero Omega

This is not a case of gold generators. We just finished investigating this and found it was a result of one particular user purchasing a Double Rainbow Ticket for 300 trillion gold. The Marketplace graph is not necessarily a representation of how much gold is in the economy or being generated by gold generators. It tracks how much gold has moved through the Marketplace only. Lots of things can make the graph rise or fall. For example, if we had a bunch of older users with lots of gold come back to the site and purchase a lot of things on the Marketplace, it can rise. If we had a bunch of users sell incredibly high priced items, it can rise. On the flip side, if people decided to stop using the Marketplace, it will fall. In this case, a user had enough gold to conduct a large transaction like this and spike the graph. I predict it will dramatically fall back to normally levels tomorrow if MP spending remains normal.

Also, before there are concerns about hacked/exploited gold, we investigated the user in question and found that all the gold was clean. It was a legitimate transaction, albeit abnormal.

You're kidding, right? Not all of us are going to suck down spins like this.

How can you say that this doesn't involve Gold Gens? This is THE DIRECT RESULT of selling those damn things.




Users were never supposed to have that much gold in the first place. Remember that 2.whatever bil cap that was raised because people were getting too much gold? Yeah, that. Prices wouldn't be this high in the first place if Gaia didn't sell them, so please don't bullshit your members, thanks.

You're making it hard for me to believe that there isn't more going on with this crap since you came around on a Saturday. neutral

I think you're misunderstanding my point. My point was regarding the MP graphs and what could result in them fluctuating. Even before gold generators there was the possibility for the MP graphs to shift dramatically like this.

And posting on a Saturday is not unusual if there were concerns that there was a gold exploit resulting in this. We investigated for an exploit, if there was, we would be continuing to work over the weekend to fix the damage. I decided to take the time to post here today to reassure users that there is no exploit and that transactions have been clean, they do not have to worry about the integrity of their accounts.

No, you're spinning again.

Gold generators = More gold in the MP = the necessity to up the cap to keep people from breaking their accounts = high-a** prices in the MP. We all know this, so get off the idea that you can bullshit a bullshitter trying to label it as an "exploit investigation".
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A high-priced item was bought where the buyer of the item (LicorSkein as said from the screencap before it was blocked out, who seems to know about how many items are being sold lol halos) AND a staff member are coming in to defend it with an explanation that doesn't explain it. I am getting this awful feeling that you're not being very forthcoming.



What in Tartarus is going on?

[Hunt]

I listed it at that price, because :
I am the only one who has it.
I was t/o on it and didn't expect it to sell
had all listings in my store with 1337

[Zero Omega]

Gash Thrashum

I think it's important to question odd happenings on the MP just like I did the last time which resulted in my trading pass (along with many others) being locked for a few weeks, when a user was found having glitched Win Gaia bundles. If nothing is done to question or investigate, it results in a worse website experience for everyone. This is a site that over the last year and some months has done a lot to lose the trust of users, so being skeptical is absolutely necessary. In this case, I heard from a couple of users that there was some sort of glitch allowing for large amounts of generated gold. Coupled with what I saw on the MP and how much my own items were purchased for (it was beyond anything prior to yesterday/the day before), I admit I may have allowed for confirmation bias to set in. Granted, I don't regret questioning and will continue to do so if it's something that can negatively affect the users on this site.

Just like it's beyond the control of programmers sometimes when these glitches occur and we have to take human error into account, said human error is also possible in other areas such as investigating potential issues. Lord knows I've been caught up in one of those before where I was assured the site was functioning properly yet I somehow fell victim to a glitch.

In any case, there's nothing I can really do but accept what an Admin says is the case since they're obviously privy to more information than I am. I fully apologize when I am wrong, and if that's the case, I'm sorry to all parties involved.

I would just like to state for the record that, personally, I appreciate it when people question very abnormal Marketplace transactions because it helps us identify if something is going on. Whether it's an exploit, hacker, fraud, etc. The faster we know about something strange, the faster we can investigate, and if it is illegitimate, the faster we can fix it and hopefully impact fewer Gaians.

[Zero Omega]

I have a tissue

Zero Omega

I have a tissue

Zero Omega

This is not a case of gold generators. We just finished investigating this and found it was a result of one particular user purchasing a Double Rainbow Ticket for 300 trillion gold. The Marketplace graph is not necessarily a representation of how much gold is in the economy or being generated by gold generators. It tracks how much gold has moved through the Marketplace only. Lots of things can make the graph rise or fall. For example, if we had a bunch of older users with lots of gold come back to the site and purchase a lot of things on the Marketplace, it can rise. If we had a bunch of users sell incredibly high priced items, it can rise. On the flip side, if people decided to stop using the Marketplace, it will fall. In this case, a user had enough gold to conduct a large transaction like this and spike the graph. I predict it will dramatically fall back to normally levels tomorrow if MP spending remains normal.

Also, before there are concerns about hacked/exploited gold, we investigated the user in question and found that all the gold was clean. It was a legitimate transaction, albeit abnormal.

You're kidding, right? Not all of us are going to suck down spins like this.

How can you say that this doesn't involve Gold Gens? This is THE DIRECT RESULT of selling those damn things.




Users were never supposed to have that much gold in the first place. Remember that 2.whatever bil cap that was raised because people were getting too much gold? Yeah, that. Prices wouldn't be this high in the first place if Gaia didn't sell them, so please don't bullshit your members, thanks.

You're making it hard for me to believe that there isn't more going on with this crap since you came around on a Saturday. neutral

I think you're misunderstanding my point. My point was regarding the MP graphs and what could result in them fluctuating. Even before gold generators there was the possibility for the MP graphs to shift dramatically like this.

And posting on a Saturday is not unusual if there were concerns that there was a gold exploit resulting in this. We investigated for an exploit, if there was, we would be continuing to work over the weekend to fix the damage. I decided to take the time to post here today to reassure users that there is no exploit and that transactions have been clean, they do not have to worry about the integrity of their accounts.

No, you're spinning again.

Gold generators = More gold in the MP = the necessity to up the cap to keep people from breaking their accounts = high-a** prices in the MP. We all know this, so get off the idea that you can bullshit a bullshitter trying to label it as an "exploit investigation".
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A high-priced item was bought where the buyer of the item (LicorSkein as said from the screencap before it was blocked out, who seems to know about how many items are being sold lol halos) AND a staff member are coming in to defend it with an explanation that doesn't explain it. I am getting this awful feeling that you're not being very forthcoming.



What in Tartarus is going on?

Normally when there is a very abnormal transaction on the Marketplace, it is indicative of some sort of problem, such as a hacker, fraudster, exploiter, etc. This, in turns, causes the community to worry about their items, gold, transactions, and overall integrity of their accounts. It's similar to back in 2003, 2004, 2005 when any problem with the site would make people worry about roll backs. Therefore, the reason I came in to "defend" the purchase was to be proactive and get the word out to users that we are not seeing illegitimate transactions going on, they do not have to worry about anything happening to their accounts.